Parents of Herluin De Conteville

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Parents of Herluin De Conteville

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 okt 2007 17:24:56

William the Conqueror's mother was Herleva of Falaise, supposedly the
daughter of a tanner who had a liaison with William's father, the Duke
of Normandy. William was born out of wedlock but he was the Duke's
only son so he inherited the Dukedom of Normandy. Herleva's liaison
with the Duke didn't last but it raised her social standing and she
subsequently married Herluin De Conteville, a member of the nobility.
In some sources Herluin's parents are listed as King Robert II Capet
of France and Bertha of Burgundy, though other sources say that Robert
and Bertha had only a short marriage, it being annulled because of
consanguity with no surviving children. Other sources list Herluin's
father as Earl Jean De Conteville but don't list his mother. I'm
wondering if anyone has any further information concerning Herluin's
parentage.

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Re: Parents of Herluin De Conteville

Legg inn av Gjest » 28 okt 2007 18:28:28

On Oct 28, 9:24 am, viridmont...@gmail.com wrote:
William the Conqueror's mother was Herleva of Falaise, supposedly the
daughter of a tanner who had a liaison with William's father, the Duke
of Normandy. William was born out of wedlock but he was the Duke's
only son so he inherited the Dukedom of Normandy. Herleva's liaison
with the Duke didn't last but it raised her social standing and she
subsequently married Herluin De Conteville, a member of the nobility.
In some sources Herluin's parents are listed as King Robert II Capet
of France and Bertha of Burgundy, though other sources say that Robert
and Bertha had only a short marriage, it being annulled because of
consanguity with no surviving children. Other sources list Herluin's
father as Earl Jean De Conteville but don't list his mother. I'm
wondering if anyone has any further information concerning Herluin's
parentage.

There is no source close to contemporary that provides any such
information. As to being the son of Robert of France, this comes from
someone with more enthusiasm than sense or integrity. The John version
is seen widely, but is entirely unsupported (and while we are at it,
there were no Earls in Normandy at the time). In terms of true
contemporary records, there are none, althought the near-contemporary
Norman chroniclers mention him only in the context of his marriage to
Herleve and as father of Eudes and Robert. There are later
confirmations of abbey foundations which attribute their foundations
to him, and there is nothing inherently unlikely in these that would
suggest forgery. Even these fail to name parents, just a second wife,
Fredesende, and two sons.

The best modern summary I have seen is: Bates, David. "Notes sur
l'aristocratie normande: Hugues, évêque de Bayeux (1011 env. - 1049)
et Herluin de Conteville et sa famille." Annales de Normandie 23
(1973): 7-38.

I see that the Robert and Bertha version is the one shown by
Wikipedia. The same overly-enthusiastic editor who made this change
has also obliterated any historical content in the William, Count of
Mortain article, replacing specific dates and events with nothing but
dramatic pap.

taf

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