The Death of John Comyn the Red : Murder most Foul

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The Death of John Comyn the Red : Murder most Foul

Legg inn av Gjest » 26 okt 2007 01:20:11

Dear Fellow List members ,
Alan Young got one thing very
wrong in his book Robert Bruce`s Rivals : The Comyns 1212 - 1314. Comyn`s
murder at Greyfrairs Church, Dumfries, ironically built by Comyn`s maternal
grandmother Devorguilla of Galloway, wife of John Baliol. was in fact premediated.
After the Confrontation in which Robert Bruce, Earl of Carrick argued with and
stabbed John " the Red" Comyn while his (?) nephew Christopher Seton killed
Comyn`s uncle Robert who moved to defend him, the two seem to have fled the
scene and the shaken Bruce tells his followers and some allies about what
happened. One of his followers Sir Roger de Kirkpatrick grimly says " I makkit sure"
goes and commits the murder for the Bruce who was so well pleased He enobled
him and with grim irony gives him a crest of a bloodied dagger and the motto
" I makkit sure " One of Bruces allies Fleming desired the Red Comyn`s castle
and lands at Combernauld and gained them by treating the slain Regent`s
corpse as one would a traitor. He cut his head off and doubtless it was displayed
on a spear. The Fleming crest is a hand holding Comyn`s bloody head. Of
course, having struck the blow, Bruce had little other choice, but premediated
murder is still that. King Edward I of England was enraged when he got word. I
have little doubt that He genuinely liked his wiley cousin-in-law and granted him
very lenient terms in 1304 when He surrendered after breaking his word to
him. Comyn kept not just his life and liberty but castles and manors in Scotland
, England and Ireland... except those He had acquired after breaking his oath
and He had the audacity to ask Edward I to let him keep those as well. Comyn
of Badenoch in Scotland had ten castles, various clansmen held five to ten
more, including the " Great Glen" castle of Inverlochy, reputed to be the
second Red Comyn`s birthplace, Balvenie , the Earl of Buchan`s huge fortress,
Cairnbulg and Rattray on the northern coast with two or three more, plus
Dalswinton where the Red Comyn was residing on the day of his death.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA



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Re: The Death of John Comyn the Red : Murder most Foul

Legg inn av John Watson » 26 okt 2007 10:37:11

On Oct 26, 6:20 am, Jwc1...@aol.com wrote:
Dear Fellow List members ,
Alan Young got one thing very
wrong in his book Robert Bruce`s Rivals : The Comyns 1212 - 1314. Comyn`s
murder at Greyfrairs Church, Dumfries, ironically built by Comyn`s maternal
grandmother Devorguilla of Galloway, wife of John Baliol. was in fact premediated.
After the Confrontation in which Robert Bruce, Earl of Carrick argued with and
stabbed John " the Red" Comyn while his (?) nephew Christopher Seton killed
Comyn`s uncle Robert who moved to defend him, the two seem to have fled the
scene and the shaken Bruce tells his followers and some allies about what
happened. One of his followers Sir Roger de Kirkpatrick grimly says " I makkit sure"
goes and commits the murder for the Bruce who was so well pleased He enobled
him and with grim irony gives him a crest of a bloodied dagger and the motto
" I makkit sure " One of Bruces allies Fleming desired the Red Comyn`s castle
and lands at Combernauld and gained them by treating the slain Regent`s
corpse as one would a traitor. He cut his head off and doubtless it was displayed
on a spear. The Fleming crest is a hand holding Comyn`s bloody head. Of
course, having struck the blow, Bruce had little other choice, but premediated
murder is still that. King Edward I of England was enraged when he got word. I
have little doubt that He genuinely liked his wiley cousin-in-law and granted him
very lenient terms in 1304 when He surrendered after breaking his word to
him. Comyn kept not just his life and liberty but castles and manors in Scotland
, England and Ireland... except those He had acquired after breaking his oath
and He had the audacity to ask Edward I to let him keep those as well. Comyn
of Badenoch in Scotland had ten castles, various clansmen held five to ten
more, including the " Great Glen" castle of Inverlochy, reputed to be the
second Red Comyn`s birthplace, Balvenie , the Earl of Buchan`s huge fortress,
Cairnbulg and Rattray on the northern coast with two or three more, plus
Dalswinton where the Red Comyn was residing on the day of his death.
Sincerely,
James W Cummings
Dixmont, Maine USA

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Hi James,

What evidence is there that the murder was premeditated?

Bruce may well have contemplated getting rid of Comyn, for whatever
reason, but I seriously doubt that he planned to kill him in a church
in front of witnesses. This was classed not only as murder but also as
sacrilege and resulted in his immediate excommunication.

Regards,

John

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