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Leo van de Pas

Fw: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 21 okt 2007 11:53:11

I had hoped that by now Douglas Richardson would have spoken out about this.
He seems to be the only one using "de Brewes", in opposition to the Braose.
As you said, Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different family.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia


----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Thompson" <doug.thompson@virgin.net>
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Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere


I don't think you can accuse anyone of using a "wrong" spelling, Leo. Doug
uses his own preference for the spelling and tries to be consistent in his
own books. It just doesn't coincide with the preference used by a lot of
other people.

The spelling of the name is a small detail. It's the false information he
gives about the family which worries me more, since his books have an
appearance of authority which is unfounded.


Doug Thompson0

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On 21/10/07 11:26, in article
mailman.282.1192962422.19317.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com, "Leo van de Pas"
leovdpas@netspeed.com.au> wrote:


----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Thompson" <doug.thompson@virgin.net
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To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere


There was a long discussion on this newsgroup around March 2002 on the
topic
of the various spellings of Braose and which might be the preferred
usage.
You can find it in the archive by searching for "spelling braose".

Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different family.


Doug Thompson
====================== In other words, Douglas Richardson did use the
wrong
spelling, I wonder why.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas, Canberra, Australia


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On 21/10/07 03:20, in article
mailman.274.1192933269.19317.gen-medieval@rootsweb.com,
"pajunkin@bellsouth.net" <pajunkin@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Leo,
I understand the many spelling, however, I did think that Braose and
Briwere
were two different families. Am I incorrect?
Pat

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au

Douglas Richardson has put his finger on the inconsistency of medieval
spelling.
For some names there are many variations, and which one should be
used?

If you look in CP Volume I page 281. here we find Braose see Brewes.

Then CP Volume I pages 302 to 310 has several entries

Page 302 begins with BREWES, Breus see Brewes, Breuse, Brewes or
Breworse, a
Barony of 1290

Page 304 had an entry for Breuse or Brewes, Sir Richard de Breuse
first
summoned
in 1276

Page 308 has an entry for Brewes, Brewose, Breouse, or Brewes, Barony
of
1348

Volumne XIV pages 110 to 112 has the heading Brewes

--------
Burke's extinct Peerage, 1866, pages 72 and 73 uses de Braose. Here
the
mentioned Grace, wife of Reginald, is recorded as Groecia, daughter of
William
de Bruere
-------

Turton in his Plantagenet Ancestry, page 78, uses de Braose for the
main
family
and Grace is here as Grace de Briwere.
--------
Gary Boyd Roberts in his Royal Descent of 600 Immigrants (see index
page
624)
uses de Braose
------
Weiss in Ancestral Roots, 7th edition, adds yet another spelling,
Braose
(see
Braiose) Brewer (see Briwere)
------
I am sure this family can be found in many more publications
(secondary
sources)
and so the question arises what do primary sources say?
But then "tradition" several times uses names or spellings not used by
the
people concerned themselves. I suppose we should use the name/spelling
recognised by most. My vote goes to de Braose.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

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Paul Mackenzie

Re: Fw: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere

Legg inn av Paul Mackenzie » 22 okt 2007 01:45:09

Leo van de Pas wrote:
I had hoped that by now Douglas Richardson would have spoken out about
this. He seems to be the only one using "de Brewes", in opposition to
the Braose. As you said, Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different
family.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia



Hi Leo and others

I have personally never come across the name "de Braose" used in primary
documents. That it is to say it does not exist in primary documents.
Instead of using the standardised name "de Braose" for a particular
person, I prefer to use name that generally occurs from the primary
sources. I know there are many variations, I tend to use the name that
occurs most for that person {I believe CP follows this trend}. On the
other hand, when discussing a particular primary document I specifically
use the name that occurs in the primary document.

This helps to some extent in distinguishing between families. As you
said, Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different family.

Kind Regards

Paul Mackenzie
Glass House Mountains, Australia

Leo van de Pas

Re: Fw: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 22 okt 2007 03:50:41

Dear Paul,

Someone told me that in primary sources Braiose was used, yet another
version of this name.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Mackenzie" <paul.mackenzie@ozemail.com.au>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <gen-medieval@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Braose - De Brewes - de Briwere


Leo van de Pas wrote:
I had hoped that by now Douglas Richardson would have spoken out about
this. He seems to be the only one using "de Brewes", in opposition to
the Braose. As you said, Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different
family.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia



Hi Leo and others

I have personally never come across the name "de Braose" used in primary
documents. That it is to say it does not exist in primary documents.
Instead of using the standardised name "de Braose" for a particular
person, I prefer to use name that generally occurs from the primary
sources. I know there are many variations, I tend to use the name that
occurs most for that person {I believe CP follows this trend}. On the
other hand, when discussing a particular primary document I specifically
use the name that occurs in the primary document.

This helps to some extent in distinguishing between families. As you
said, Briwer, Bruere, Brewer is a totally different family.

Kind Regards

Paul Mackenzie
Glass House Mountains, Australia


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