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Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference numbers

Legg inn av Mark » 21 okt 2007 08:06:23

Hi
Is there any software out there that will redo the reference numbers
attached to all the individuals in my database.

For some reason I have found that I am No 92 instead of 1 and my GG
Grandfather is no 1.

I'm currently using FTM 16

Cheers
Mark

Peter J Seymour

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Peter J Seymour » 21 okt 2007 10:17:17

Mark wrote:
Hi
Is there any software out there that will redo the reference numbers
attached to all the individuals in my database.

For some reason I have found that I am No 92 instead of 1 and my GG
Grandfather is no 1.

I'm currently using FTM 16

Cheers
Mark
It's not clear what result you are looking for. Who do you want as 1,

who do you want as 2, who do you want as No 42, etc? Does it matter
whether someone is down as No 92 or No 9002? It's just a number for
computer purposes and doesn't affect the genealogical relationships.
Peter

Liz_in_Calgary

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Liz_in_Calgary » 21 okt 2007 13:54:59

Yes - Legacy will do that, its called renumbering the RIN.

Any program should should - one of the features of the
program is that it will use up the unused numbers as well.

take care
Liz



On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:06:23 +1000, in alt.genealogy Mark
<walker3555@hotmail.com> wrote :

Hi
Is there any software out there that will redo the reference numbers
attached to all the individuals in my database.

For some reason I have found that I am No 92 instead of 1 and my GG
Grandfather is no 1.

I'm currently using FTM 16

Cheers
Mark

Mark

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Mark » 21 okt 2007 14:16:12

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:17:17 +0100, Peter J Seymour
<moz@pjsey.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Mark wrote:
Hi
Is there any software out there that will redo the reference numbers
attached to all the individuals in my database.

For some reason I have found that I am No 92 instead of 1 and my GG
Grandfather is no 1.

I'm currently using FTM 16

Cheers
Mark
It's not clear what result you are looking for. Who do you want as 1,
who do you want as 2, who do you want as No 42, etc? Does it matter
whether someone is down as No 92 or No 9002? It's just a number for
computer purposes and doesn't affect the genealogical relationships.
Peter

Hi
Obviously I want myself as no 1, mainly because I also use Brothers
Keeper and it treats person No1 as the home person when you open the
program. Also, it makes more sense.

Most genealogy programs use a AHNENTAFEL numbering system of sorts,
which means :-

Generation 1 has one member, #1.
Generation 2 has two members, #2 and #3; 2=father, 3=mother.
Generation 3 has four members, #4 to #7.
Generation 4 has eight members, #8 to #15.
and so on.

cheers
Mark

Mark

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Mark » 21 okt 2007 14:18:19

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:54:59 GMT, Liz_in_Calgary <misnomer@shaw.ca>
wrote:

Yes - Legacy will do that, its called renumbering the RIN.

Any program should should - one of the features of the
program is that it will use up the unused numbers as well.

take care
Liz



On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:06:23 +1000, in alt.genealogy Mark
walker3555@hotmail.com> wrote :

Hi
Is there any software out there that will redo the reference numbers
attached to all the individuals in my database.

For some reason I have found that I am No 92 instead of 1 and my GG
Grandfather is no 1.

I'm currently using FTM 16

Cheers
Mark

Thanks Liz
that sounds like just what I'm after

cheers
Mark

singhals

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av singhals » 21 okt 2007 16:57:58

Mark wrote:

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:17:17 +0100, Peter J Seymour
moz@pjsey.demon.co.uk> wrote:


Mark wrote:

Hi
Is there any software out there that will redo the reference numbers
attached to all the individuals in my database.

For some reason I have found that I am No 92 instead of 1 and my GG
Grandfather is no 1.

I'm currently using FTM 16

Cheers
Mark

It's not clear what result you are looking for. Who do you want as 1,
who do you want as 2, who do you want as No 42, etc? Does it matter
whether someone is down as No 92 or No 9002? It's just a number for
computer purposes and doesn't affect the genealogical relationships.
Peter


Hi
Obviously I want myself as no 1, mainly because I also use Brothers
Keeper and it treats person No1 as the home person when you open the
program. Also, it makes more sense.

Most genealogy programs use a AHNENTAFEL numbering system of sorts,
which means :-

Generation 1 has one member, #1.
Generation 2 has two members, #2 and #3; 2=father, 3=mother.
Generation 3 has four members, #4 to #7.
Generation 4 has eight members, #8 to #15.
and so on.

cheers
Mark


Ahnentafels will renumber people depending on whose
ahnentafel you're doing. Your father's ahnentafel for
instance will have HIM as #1, and your mother's will put her
as #1, because that's the way ahnentafels are.

I believe there is a setting in FTM you can use to always
open to yourself. If not, and if you really really want to
be #1 ... select yourself, then create a GEDCOM to GED 5.5
of your ancestors. Import that GED into a new and
differently-named database. If you did it correctly, you
will be #1.

Cheryl

Jim Elbrecht

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Jim Elbrecht » 21 okt 2007 17:54:47

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:16:12 +1000, Mark <walker3555@hotmail.com>
wrote:

-snip-
Obviously I want myself as no 1, mainly because I also use Brothers
Keeper and it treats person No1 as the home person when you open the
program. Also, it makes more sense.

I'm guessing that the program you are using has its own reference
numbers- important only to that program. your ahnentafel numbers will
change when you report on yourself, or your kids, or your grandfather.
.. .

The Brother's Keeper reference number in my database for me is 15-
there is no #1 [I must have deleted him/her]. #2 is my wife's
step-father. . . and none of the reference numbers mean much more
than when they were entered.

If you mean John Steed's Brother's Keeper. . .go to file/options/edit
screen. . .
And pick what you want to see when you go to the edit screen.
[for those who don't use BK- here are the options;
1st person in database
last person in database
person showing last time you used edit [this is my preference]
person most recently printed in a report
person number [nnnnn]
have the screen blank and ask for a name to find

Jim

Steve Hayes

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 22 okt 2007 03:10:42

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:06:23 +1000, Mark <walker3555@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi
Is there any software out there that will redo the reference numbers
attached to all the individuals in my database.

For some reason I have found that I am No 92 instead of 1 and my GG
Grandfather is no 1.

I'm currently using FTM 16

Does it matter what number you are?

That number is simply to identify a unique record.




--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Steve Hayes

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 22 okt 2007 03:14:20

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:16:12 +1000, Mark <walker3555@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:17:17 +0100, Peter J Seymour
moz@pjsey.demon.co.uk> wrote:

It's not clear what result you are looking for. Who do you want as 1,
who do you want as 2, who do you want as No 42, etc? Does it matter
whether someone is down as No 92 or No 9002? It's just a number for
computer purposes and doesn't affect the genealogical relationships.
Peter

Hi
Obviously I want myself as no 1, mainly because I also use Brothers
Keeper and it treats person No1 as the home person when you open the
program. Also, it makes more sense.

Most genealogy programs use a AHNENTAFEL numbering system of sorts,
which means :-

Generation 1 has one member, #1.
Generation 2 has two members, #2 and #3; 2=father, 3=mother.
Generation 3 has four members, #4 to #7.
Generation 4 has eight members, #8 to #15.
and so on.

Most genealogy programs don't use that kind of numbering -- they just number
individuals as you enter them.

Legacy and PAF allow you to enter user Ids in addition to the RIN (Record
Identity Number) if you want to. I us that in my research databases to enter
the RINs of the people in my main file, but you could enter Ahnentafel numbers
in them if you wanted to.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

Mark

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Mark » 22 okt 2007 06:13:41

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:14:20 +0200, Steve Hayes
Hi
Obviously I want myself as no 1, mainly because I also use Brothers
Keeper and it treats person No1 as the home person when you open the
program. Also, it makes more sense.

Most genealogy programs use a AHNENTAFEL numbering system of sorts,
which means :-

Generation 1 has one member, #1.
Generation 2 has two members, #2 and #3; 2=father, 3=mother.
Generation 3 has four members, #4 to #7.
Generation 4 has eight members, #8 to #15.
and so on.

Most genealogy programs don't use that kind of numbering -- they just number
individuals as you enter them.

Legacy and PAF allow you to enter user Ids in addition to the RIN (Record
Identity Number) if you want to. I us that in my research databases to enter
the RINs of the people in my main file, but you could enter Ahnentafel numbers
in them if you wanted to.


Thanks guys for all your help. I think I might concider changing my
software to Legacy as it looks from first glance to be able to do what
I want.

Obviously RINs are not important in the grand scheme of things. But
for me they would be handy. And as for me being No1, well, other than
the before mentioned problem with BK which was solved, I'm about to
setup a numerical filing system using the RIN for all the info that I
have gathered and I thought it would be only logical to be No 1 in my
own filing system.

cheers
Mark

Steve Hayes

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 22 okt 2007 07:04:08

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:13:41 +1000, Mark <walker3555@hotmail.com> wrote:

Legacy and PAF allow you to enter user Ids in addition to the RIN (Record
Identity Number) if you want to. I us that in my research databases to enter
the RINs of the people in my main file, but you could enter Ahnentafel numbers
in them if you wanted to.


Thanks guys for all your help. I think I might concider changing my
software to Legacy as it looks from first glance to be able to do what
I want.

Obviously RINs are not important in the grand scheme of things. But
for me they would be handy. And as for me being No1, well, other than
the before mentioned problem with BK which was solved, I'm about to
setup a numerical filing system using the RIN for all the info that I
have gathered and I thought it would be only logical to be No 1 in my
own filing system.

I use a numberical filing system using RINs as filing numbers, but there is no
real need to be No 1 in your own filing system (I am number 155 in mine, and
my wife is 153).

What IS important, however, is that the RINs should NOT change once you've
started using them for your filing system, or your filing system will be
horribly scrambled, and you'll have to reindiex the whole thing, probably by
hand! So be very careful before you use that feature on Legacy or any other
program!

One of the reasons I rejected FTM after a brief glance was that ti did not
seem to have the RINs orn reports, and they were very hard to find in the
system.


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

singhals

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av singhals » 22 okt 2007 15:26:59

Mark wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:14:20 +0200, Steve Hayes

Hi
Obviously I want myself as no 1, mainly because I also use Brothers
Keeper and it treats person No1 as the home person when you open the
program. Also, it makes more sense.

Most genealogy programs use a AHNENTAFEL numbering system of sorts,
which means :-

Generation 1 has one member, #1.
Generation 2 has two members, #2 and #3; 2=father, 3=mother.
Generation 3 has four members, #4 to #7.
Generation 4 has eight members, #8 to #15.
and so on.

Most genealogy programs don't use that kind of numbering -- they just number
individuals as you enter them.

Legacy and PAF allow you to enter user Ids in addition to the RIN (Record
Identity Number) if you want to. I us that in my research databases to enter
the RINs of the people in my main file, but you could enter Ahnentafel numbers
in them if you wanted to.



Thanks guys for all your help. I think I might concider changing my
software to Legacy as it looks from first glance to be able to do what
I want.

Obviously RINs are not important in the grand scheme of things. But
for me they would be handy. And as for me being No1, well, other than
the before mentioned problem with BK which was solved, I'm about to
setup a numerical filing system using the RIN for all the info that I
have gathered and I thought it would be only logical to be No 1 in my
own filing system.

cheers
Mark


Permit me to caution you STRONGLY against such a scheme.
Those RINs can, do, and will change at nastily inconvenient
times.

For instance -- when you GEDCOM your BK database out to
import it into Legacy, #1 will be the person whose name your
cursor is on when you start the export. ... all other RINs
will then march from there in family groups, not
higgely-piggly as you entered them.

Consider some other strategy -- Legacy allows custom ID
fields. You can always put the original RIN in there and
use it, but those will change if and ONLY if you do
something to change it. You can't say that about RINs.

Cheryl

Steve Hayes

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 22 okt 2007 18:30:16

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:26:59 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote:

Mark wrote:
Thanks guys for all your help. I think I might concider changing my
software to Legacy as it looks from first glance to be able to do what
I want.

Obviously RINs are not important in the grand scheme of things. But
for me they would be handy. And as for me being No1, well, other than
the before mentioned problem with BK which was solved, I'm about to
setup a numerical filing system using the RIN for all the info that I
have gathered and I thought it would be only logical to be No 1 in my
own filing system.

Permit me to caution you STRONGLY against such a scheme.
Those RINs can, do, and will change at nastily inconvenient
times.

I've been using that scheme for 15 years, and have been transferring data from
one program to another in all that time, and have managed to avoid nasty
changes to RINs (though to avoid it with Legacy I have to transfer data to it
via PAF 4.0, as it DOES tend to scramble RINs on GEDCOM imports).

One just needs to be careful, that's all.

For instance -- when you GEDCOM your BK database out to
import it into Legacy, #1 will be the person whose name your
cursor is on when you start the export. ... all other RINs
will then march from there in family groups, not
higgely-piggly as you entered them.

Consider some other strategy -- Legacy allows custom ID
fields. You can always put the original RIN in there and
use it, but those will change if and ONLY if you do
something to change it. You can't say that about RINs.

I do that too, as a precaution!


--
Steve Hayes
E-mail: hayesmstw@hotmail.com (see web page if it doesn't work)
Web: http://hayesfam.bravehost.com/famhist1.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7783/

singhals

Re: Any Genealogy software that will re-do thw reference num

Legg inn av singhals » 22 okt 2007 20:46:05

Steve Hayes wrote:

On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:26:59 -0400, singhals <singhals@erols.com> wrote:


Mark wrote:

Thanks guys for all your help. I think I might concider changing my
software to Legacy as it looks from first glance to be able to do what
I want.

Obviously RINs are not important in the grand scheme of things. But
for me they would be handy. And as for me being No1, well, other than
the before mentioned problem with BK which was solved, I'm about to
setup a numerical filing system using the RIN for all the info that I
have gathered and I thought it would be only logical to be No 1 in my
own filing system.


Permit me to caution you STRONGLY against such a scheme.
Those RINs can, do, and will change at nastily inconvenient
times.


I've been using that scheme for 15 years, and have been transferring data from
one program to another in all that time, and have managed to avoid nasty
changes to RINs (though to avoid it with Legacy I have to transfer data to it
via PAF 4.0, as it DOES tend to scramble RINs on GEDCOM imports).

One just needs to be careful, that's all.


Yah -- you told me that once before, and so I tried it ...
I eventually got over it and forgave you. ;) OTOH, TMG runs
on my computer ...? (D&R)

Cheryl

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