Earl's kinsfolk: Earl Roger le Bigod's kinsman, Sir William

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Earl's kinsfolk: Earl Roger le Bigod's kinsman, Sir William

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 16 okt 2007 05:09:23

Dear Newsgroup ~

Sir William de Mortimer, Knt., son of Roger de Mortimer, Knt., of
Wigmore, Herefordshire, was styled "dear cousin" by Roger le Bigod,
Earl of Norfolk, Marshal of England, in a charter dated 1275-1280
[Reference: Marc Morris, The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the 13th
Century (2005): 220-221].

The two men were related in 3rd and 3rd degrees (or, if you prefer 2nd
cousins) by virtue of their common descent from Sir William Marshal
(died 1219), Earl of Pembroke (or Strigoil), hereditary Master Marshal
as shown below:

1. William Marshal, Knt., Earl of Pembroke (or Strigoil), hereditary
Master Marshal, died 1219.
2. Eve Marshal, married William de Brewes, Knt., of Kington,
Herefordshire.
3. Maud de Brewes, married Roger de Mortimer, Knt., of Wigmore,
Herefordshire.
4. William de Mortimer, Knt.

1. William Marshal, Knt., Earl of Pembroke (or Strigoil), hereditary
Master Marshal, died 1219.
2. Maud Marshal, married Hugh le Bigod, 5th Earl of Norfolk, Lord High
Steward of England.
3. Hugh le Bigod, Knt., of Levisham, Yorkshire, Justiciar of England,
married Joan de Stuteville.
4. Roger le Bigod, 7th Earl of Norfolk, Marshal of England (died
1306).

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Lockehead

Re: Earl's kinsfolk: Earl Roger le Bigod's kinsman, Sir Will

Legg inn av Lockehead » 20 okt 2007 05:35:34

On Oct 16, 12:09 am, Douglas Richardson <royalances...@msn.com> wrote:
Dear Newsgroup ~

Sir William de Mortimer, Knt., son of Roger de Mortimer, Knt., of
Wigmore, Herefordshire, was styled "dear cousin" by Roger le Bigod,
Earl of Norfolk, Marshal of England, in a charter dated 1275-1280
[Reference: Marc Morris, The Bigod Earls of Norfolk in the 13th
Century (2005): 220-221].

The two men were related in 3rd and 3rd degrees (or, if you prefer 2nd
cousins) by virtue of their common descent from Sir William Marshal
(died 1219), Earl of Pembroke (or Strigoil), hereditary Master Marshal
as shown below:

1. William Marshal, Knt., Earl of Pembroke (or Strigoil), hereditary
Master Marshal, died 1219.
2. Eve Marshal, married William de Brewes, Knt., of Kington,
Herefordshire.
3. Maud de Brewes, married Roger de Mortimer, Knt., of Wigmore,
Herefordshire.
4. William de Mortimer, Knt.

1. William Marshal, Knt., Earl of Pembroke (or Strigoil), hereditary
Master Marshal, died 1219.
2. Maud Marshal, married Hugh le Bigod, 5th Earl of Norfolk, Lord High
Steward of England.
3. Hugh le Bigod, Knt., of Levisham, Yorkshire, Justiciar of England,
married Joan de Stuteville.
4. Roger le Bigod, 7th Earl of Norfolk, Marshal of England (died
1306).

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Doug-

you show Eve Marshal marrying William De Brewes. I always have thought
that the name is De Braose. In fact, there is a fairly good website
dedicated to theis particular family:

http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thomps ... index.html

Am I wrong to think that the name is not Braose? Or is it just a
different spelling of the same name?

better yet, see:

http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thomps ... /evam.html

Gjest

Re: Earl's kinsfolk: Earl Roger le Bigod's kinsman, Sir Will

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 okt 2007 16:44:35

[crosspost removed]

On Oct 19, 9:35 pm, Lockehead <franklo...@mris.com> wrote:

you show Eve Marshal marrying William De Brewes. I always have thought
that the name is De Braose. In fact, there is a fairly good website
dedicated to theis particular family:

http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thomps ... index.html

Am I wrong to think that the name is not Braose? Or is it just a
different spelling of the same name?

In medieval documents the name appears under a number of spellings.
Historians in the past have usually chosen to standardize this as
Braose, but Mr. Richardson has simply chosen to use an alternative
representation of the name.

taf

D. Spencer Hines

Re: Earl's Kinsfolk: Earl Roger Le Bigod's Kinsman, Sir Will

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 okt 2007 17:17:33

taf fails to mention that Douglas has written the name DE BREWES the way
many of the British actually PRONOUNCE it.

A Salient Fact...

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult

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On Oct 19, 9:35 pm, Lockehead <franklo...@mris.com> wrote:

you show Eve Marshal marrying William De Brewes. I always have thought
that the name is De Braose. In fact, there is a fairly good website
dedicated to theis particular family:

http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thomps ... index.html

Am I wrong to think that the name is not Braose? Or is it just a
different spelling of the same name?

In medieval documents the name appears under a number of spellings.
Historians in the past have usually chosen to standardize this as
Braose, but Mr. Richardson has simply chosen to use an alternative
representation of the name.

taf

Lockehead

Re: Earl's kinsfolk: Earl Roger le Bigod's kinsman, Sir Will

Legg inn av Lockehead » 20 okt 2007 18:21:11

On Oct 20, 11:44 am, t...@clearwire.net wrote:
[crosspost removed]

On Oct 19, 9:35 pm, Lockehead <franklo...@mris.com> wrote:

you show Eve Marshal marrying William De Brewes. I always have thought
that the name is De Braose. In fact, there is a fairly good website
dedicated to theis particular family:

http://freespace.virgin.net/doug.thomps ... index.html

Am I wrong to think that the name is not Braose? Or is it just a
different spelling of the same name?

In medieval documents the name appears under a number of spellings.
Historians in the past have usually chosen to standardize this as
Braose, but Mr. Richardson has simply chosen to use an alternative
representation of the name.

taf

Thank you for your prompt response. So, Eve Marshal's mother-in-law;
Grace Brewer (wife of Reginald De Braose d. 1228 Lord of Avergavenny)
has the "real" last name of Brewer or is this a mistake and her name
is actually "Braose"? I show Grace Brewer's parents as William Brewer,
Baron of Horsley and Beatrice De Vaux.

Gjest

Re: Earl's kinsfolk: Earl Roger le Bigod's kinsman, Sir Will

Legg inn av Gjest » 20 okt 2007 18:50:32

On Oct 20, 10:21 am, Lockehead <franklo...@mris.com> wrote:

Thank you for your prompt response. So, Eve Marshal's mother-in-law;
Grace Brewer (wife of Reginald De Braose d. 1228 Lord of Avergavenny)
has the "real" last name of Brewer or is this a mistake and her name
is actually "Braose"? I show Grace Brewer's parents as William Brewer,
Baron of Horsley and Beatrice De Vaux.

Brewes = Braose, but this is distinct from Brewer (Briwer, and various
other spellings). Grace was a Brewer.

taf

Lockehead

Re: Earl's kinsfolk: Earl Roger le Bigod's kinsman, Sir Will

Legg inn av Lockehead » 20 okt 2007 19:46:14

On Oct 20, 10:50 am, t...@clearwire.net wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:21 am, Lockehead <franklo...@mris.com> wrote:

Thank you for your prompt response. So, Eve Marshal's mother-in-law;
Grace Brewer (wife of Reginald De Braose d. 1228 Lord of Avergavenny)
has the "real" last name of Brewer or is this a mistake and her name
is actually "Braose"? I show Grace Brewer's parents as William Brewer,
Baron of Horsley and Beatrice De Vaux.

Brewes = Braose, but this is distinct from Brewer (Briwer, and various
other spellings). Grace was a Brewer.

taf

you are the best! thank you!

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