Message from Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.

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Message from Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.

Legg inn av vctinney@sbcglobal.net » 09 okt 2007 04:32:33

Message from Thomas Milton Tinney, Sr.
to Roy Stockdill and others

On Oct 6, 10:53 am, "Roy Stockdill" <roy.stockd...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

My little joke was aimed at those Americans - and you can't deny there
are a fair number of them around - who just love to claim they can
trace
their ancestry back to 1,000 years before William the Conqueror. and
some even back to Adam and Eve, when we all know that this is just
simply fantasy, wishful thinking and absurd nonsense. Latching onto
fanciful biblical genealogies and tagging your own family tree onto
them
is just a joke. You have only to look at some of the absurd websites
to
realise this is true - and the Tinney site is one such example.
.. . .
However, my relatives are sensible and realistic people who look to me
to
tell them the truth about their ancestry as far as I know it, not to
some
pie-in-the-sky mythical links to ancient history BC.
.. . .
I suspect most of these would-be descendants of Adam and Eve and the
ancient world come from the fundamentalist American bible belt and, as
far as I am concerned, they are indeed very naïve and provincial
people.
.. . .
Roy Stockdill
Editor, Journal of One-Name Studies
Guild of One-Name Studies website:www.one-name.org
Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History:www.genuki.org.uk/gs/
Newbie.html

REPLY:
It is exceedingly unfortunate that someone
of your stature in genealogy and family history
research, should present false assertions, as
observed and studied truth, in any public forum,
such as soc.genealogy.britain You have degraded,
in a serious way, the profession that you represent.

I suggest that you learn to read before you write.
It would be most helpful. You asserted: "Latching
onto fanciful biblical genealogies and tagging your
own family tree onto them" is what you found out
in your personal evaluation of my web sites. Not.

A very thorough evaluation was made of Biblical
text and presented, along with other parallel
supporting records, of the ancient history of Man.
Alphabetic History of Civilization:
Ancient and Modern Genealogies
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ancie ... logies.htm

This book evaluates historical knowledge
as it relates to ancient and modern
genealogies. Information gleaned from
social contexts, both secular and religious,
are reviewed, using modern genealogical
research specialist standards: to properly
reconstruct and correctly portray real
historical lives and family pedigrees.
Cultural, religious and family tradition,
(their stated facts and viewpoints), are
surveyed within given ancient contexts
of primary and secondary record sources,
as handed down for the benefit of our
modern generation. Modern claims of
genealogical attachment to biblical records
are noted, with remarks.

I also presented a study of
the BOOK [Stick] of JUDAH
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/ancie ... yjudah.htm
You will note links, upon professional evaluation:
"WARNING: This pedigree is not CREDIBLE."

ALEX SHOUMATOFF, in his book,
"The Mountain of Names", incorrectly
notes: "Thomas Milton Tinney, a Mormon
who has traced his ancestry over a hundred
and fifty-two generations, right back to Adam,
explains . . . " Alex missed reading page 141,
among many other notes and references given,
in Ancient and Modern Genealogies with Temple
(The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints)
Records; copyright 1973.
"It is apparent to the feel of the author of this
book, that some names have been added or
inserted into this pedigree to eliminate the Jewish
connection of the record, and years expanded to
unusual post-flood life spans, to make an improper
Biblical connection."
http://www.dispatchesfromthevanishingwo ... ain_9.html

This is also clearly stated by others, at:
BIBLE - BIBLICAL RESOURCES: under
I Have a Question - Questions and Answers:
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/world ... m#biblical
"Robert C. Gunderson, Senior Royalty
Research Specialist, Church Genealogical
Department. The simplest answer to both
questions is No. Let me explain. In thirty-five
years of genealogical research, I have yet to
see a pedigree back to Adam that can be
documented."

Nevertheless, your further compound your error
by stating: "Latching onto fanciful biblical genealogies",
which I find contradicted in MORMON records; RE:

Pearl of Great Price, Moses, Chapter 1, verse 8:
And it came to pass that Moses looked, and
beheld the world upon which he was created;
and Moses beheld the world and the ends
thereof, and all the children of men which are,
and which were created; of the same he greatly
marveled and wondered.
.. . . Moses, Chapter 7, verse 67 And the Lord
showed Enoch all things, even unto the end of
the world; and he saw the day of the righteous,
the hour of their redemption, and received a
fulness of joy; . . .

D&C 107: 56 And Adam stood up in the midst
of the congregation; and, notwithstanding
he was bowed down with age, being full
of the Holy Ghost, predicted whatsoever
should befall his posterity unto the latest
generation.

These ancient intelligent individuals and seers,
are our true living ancestry, which make latching
onto fanciful DNA hypothetical genealogies an
absurd joke, even "wishful thinking and absurd
nonsense", as you so eloquently mention.

Cheers! and

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America,
Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]
Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

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