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val189

father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av val189 » 24 sep 2007 18:19:03

I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

thank you

Hugh Watkins

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 24 sep 2007 18:35:08

val189 wrote:
I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

I just put the names in FTM 16 and use the relationship calculator

Hugh W

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Jane Benn

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Jane Benn » 24 sep 2007 18:37:51

val189 wrote:
I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

thank you

Second cousins

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Scruffy McScruffovitch

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Scruffy McScruffovitch » 24 sep 2007 18:38:27

"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

thank you


Your father's first cousin would be your first cousin, once removed, the son
of your father's first cousin would be your second cousin.


http://www.islandregister.com/cousin.html

Steve Hayes

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Steve Hayes » 25 sep 2007 03:29:43

On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:19:03 -0700, val189 <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

Second cousin.


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Nigel Bufton

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Nigel Bufton » 25 sep 2007 08:37:56

"Scruffy McScruffovitch" <Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

Your father's first cousin would be your first cousin, once removed, the
son of your father's first cousin would be your second cousin.
http://www.islandregister.com/cousin.html

You are his first cousin once removed.

Strictly, it is arguable that he is your second cousin, once removed,
because from your perspective the "horizontal level" is second cousin.

Nowadays, almost all information sites and genealogy programs ignore this
differentiation and will tell you that his relationship to you is the same
as your relationship to him (first cousin once removed).

Note that the "modern" English method differs from almost all other
languages - which parallel the "stricter" English method in that each person
has a different relationship to the other when the cousins are removed (as a
result of always determining the "horizontal" relationship line first).
Following are some examples of this:

Dutch:
Him to you: Achterneef, 1 gen. verwijderd
You to him: Neef, 1 gen. verwijderd

French:
Him to you: Grand-cousin au deuxième degré
You to him: Petit-cousin

German:
Him to you: Onkel Zweiten Grades
You to him: Neffe Zweiten Grades

Spanish:
Him to you: Tío Segundo
You to him: Sobrino Segundo

Swedish:
Him to you: Bryllings Far
You to him: Kusins Son

Nigel
http://www.tcgr.bufton.org

mickg

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av mickg » 25 sep 2007 10:02:48

Nigel Bufton wrote:

"Scruffy McScruffovitch" <Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote in message
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"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1190654343.892146.196050@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

Your father's first cousin would be your first cousin, once removed, the
son of your father's first cousin would be your second cousin.
http://www.islandregister.com/cousin.html

You are his first cousin once removed.

Strictly, it is arguable that he is your second cousin, once removed,
because from your perspective the "horizontal level" is second cousin.

Nowadays, almost all information sites and genealogy programs ignore this
differentiation and will tell you that his relationship to you is the same
as your relationship to him (first cousin once removed).

Note that the "modern" English method differs from almost all other
languages - which parallel the "stricter" English method in that each person
has a different relationship to the other when the cousins are removed (as a
result of always determining the "horizontal" relationship line first).
Following are some examples of this:


Common ancestor is Great Grandfather to both - hence - Second cousin
both ways!

MickG

Nigel Bufton

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Nigel Bufton » 25 sep 2007 11:30:09

"mickg" <mickgNoSpam@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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Nigel Bufton wrote:

"Scruffy McScruffovitch" <Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote in message
news:13fftgmals9krb0@corp.supernews.com...
"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1190654343.892146.196050@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?

Your father's first cousin would be your first cousin, once removed, the
son of your father's first cousin would be your second cousin.
http://www.islandregister.com/cousin.html

You are his first cousin once removed.

Strictly, it is arguable that he is your second cousin, once removed,
because from your perspective the "horizontal level" is second cousin.

Nowadays, almost all information sites and genealogy programs ignore this
differentiation and will tell you that his relationship to you is the
same as your relationship to him (first cousin once removed).

Note that the "modern" English method differs from almost all other
languages - which parallel the "stricter" English method in that each
person has a different relationship to the other when the cousins are
removed (as a result of always determining the "horizontal" relationship
line first). Following are some examples of this:


Common ancestor is Great Grandfather to both - hence - Second cousin both
ways!

MickG

Oops - you're right. I misread the relationship.

Nigel

Christopher Jahn

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Christopher Jahn » 26 sep 2007 00:20:21

mickg <mickgNoSpam@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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Nigel Bufton wrote:

"Scruffy McScruffovitch" <Scruffy_1@FAM.NET> wrote in message
news:13fftgmals9krb0@corp.supernews.com...
"val189" <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1190654343.892146.196050@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't
seen in about 35 years. What is our relationship?

Your father's first cousin would be your first cousin, once
removed, the son of your father's first cousin would be your
second cousin. http://www.islandregister.com/cousin.html

You are his first cousin once removed.

Strictly, it is arguable that he is your second cousin, once
removed, because from your perspective the "horizontal level"
is second cousin.

Nowadays, almost all information sites and genealogy programs
ignore this differentiation and will tell you that his
relationship to you is the same as your relationship to him
(first cousin once removed).

Note that the "modern" English method differs from almost all
other languages - which parallel the "stricter" English
method in that each person has a different relationship to
the other when the cousins are removed (as a result of always
determining the "horizontal" relationship line first).
Following are some examples of this:


Common ancestor is Great Grandfather to both - hence - Second
cousin both ways!

I was gonna say: if the person in question is your father's
cousin's son, then you are that person's father's cousin's son.
You're not one kind of cousin in one direction and another kind
in the other. It works both ways: it HAS to.



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Huntersglenn

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Huntersglenn » 26 sep 2007 03:27:41

Hugh Watkins wrote:
val189 wrote:

I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?


I just put the names in FTM 16 and use the relationship calculator

The relationship calculator in FTM 16 doesn't show the same relationship
calculation results from previous versions. In my own line, I'm a
cousin to my own children because we have a set of ancestors who were
first cousins and married anyway. Previous FTM relationship tables
reflected that relationship as well as the one we have as mother and
son. The calculator in FTM 16 is only showing the mother/son
relationship. Heck, the previous versions even reflected me being my
own cousin, and now that's missing.

I preferred the earlier version(s). Life's a lot more interesting when
you can toss into a conversation that you're your own cousin <grin>.

Cathy

Henry Brownlee

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 26 sep 2007 04:50:22

"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
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Hugh Watkins wrote:
val189 wrote:

I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom I haven't seen in
about 35 years. What is our relationship?


I just put the names in FTM 16 and use the relationship calculator

The relationship calculator in FTM 16 doesn't show the same relationship
calculation results from previous versions. In my own line, I'm a
cousin to my own children because we have a set of ancestors who were
first cousins and married anyway. Previous FTM relationship tables
reflected that relationship as well as the one we have as mother and
son. The calculator in FTM 16 is only showing the mother/son
relationship. Heck, the previous versions even reflected me being my
own cousin, and now that's missing.

I preferred the earlier version(s). Life's a lot more interesting when
you can toss into a conversation that you're your own cousin <grin>.

Cathy >

I use Brothers Keeper and its relationship calculator shows you all possible
relationships (according to what you have in your database, of course.) My
wife's families had cousin intermarriages in several generations (as close
as second cousins) so there are some interesting results when you calculate
relationships. When I put her in as both parties, the result is that "Tessa
is the myself of Tessa." When I tell it to compute different relationships,
it comes up with several:
Third Cousins; 8th Cousin once removed; Fifth Cousin; Ninth Cousin; Ninth
Cousin once removed; Tenth Cousin once removed. She is also a cousin to
her parents and to our children.

When I do it for myself I get, "Henry is the myself of Henry." When I
tell it to calculate different relationships, it comes up with the response
of "There are no other relationships."
Dull old me!

Henry

Henry Brownlee

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 26 sep 2007 05:23:05

"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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<SNIP>

BTW, although I am NOT my own Grandpa, I AM a Great Grandpa again
(the third one .) A second son of my youngest granddaughter was born
14 Sep 2007 in Houma, LA as is doing just great! Wesley Jo VEAZEY
weighed in at 7 lbs. 1 oz. and was 19-1/2 inches long. His older brother
Jai Paul was only 5 lbs 10 oz. and was 19 inches long, and will be two
on 31 Oct (a Halloween treat!) My eldest, Great Granddaughter
Madeline Lynn MARTINY, is an ancient two years, seven months of age
(born 24 Feb 2005 in Midwest City, OK.) She is the daughter of my
eldest grandson USAF Capt. Caleb MARTINY and his wife Gillian.

Oh, and my eldest granddaughter Erin M. HEBERT and her husband
Shane are expecting their first child in March 2008! That'll make four
- count 'em! - four Great Grandchilluns!

And to think we were doubting we would ever be Great Grandparents!

Henry

Robert Melson

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 26 sep 2007 06:13:13

In article <CblKi.79934$Lu.3095@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> writes:
SNIP
And to think we were doubting we would ever be Great Grandparents!
Well, there're great grandparents, then there are _great_

grandparents, I hesitate to ask just which you meant, GGPA.

Henry

Somnolent Ol' Bob


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-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

clifto

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av clifto » 26 sep 2007 06:49:03

Henry Brownlee wrote:
And to think we were doubting we would ever be Great Grandparents!

I'd hold out for GGG if I were you. :)

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you should stop exhaling.

clifto

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av clifto » 26 sep 2007 19:30:57

Henry Brownlee wrote:
I'll hold out as long as I can. I'm also anxious to see meself in the 1940
Census (I missed being in the 1930 Census by a year.)

Heck, I'm holding out to see myself in the 2010 census. :)

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you should stop exhaling.

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Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Robert Melson » 26 sep 2007 20:34:13

In article <UoxKi.120978$pu2.109695@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> writes:
"Robert Melson" <melsonr@aragorn.rgmhome.net> wrote in message
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In article <CblKi.79934$Lu.3095@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
"Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> writes:
SNIP
And to think we were doubting we would ever be Great Grandparents!
Well, there're great grandparents, then there are _great_
grandparents, I hesitate to ask just which you meant, GGPA.


Henry

Somnolent Ol' Bob

Well, my eldest - and only granddaughter - is a tad young to

be participating in the generational game, so I guess I'll
have to claim to be a _great_ grandfather while certainly
not being a great grandfather. ;-)

Smilin' Ol' Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"People unfit for freedom---who cannot do much with it---are
hungry for power." ---Eric Hoffer

Henry Brownlee

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Henry Brownlee » 26 sep 2007 20:48:59

"singhals" <singhals@erols.com> wrote in message
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| Henry Brownlee wrote:
|
| > "Henry Brownlee" <hfbrownl@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > news:SIkKi.104109$jH3.65347@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
| >
| > <SNIP>
| >
| > BTW, although I am NOT my own Grandpa, I AM a Great Grandpa again
| > (the third one .) A second son of my youngest granddaughter was born
| > 14 Sep 2007 in Houma, LA as is doing just great! Wesley Jo VEAZEY
| > weighed in at 7 lbs. 1 oz. and was 19-1/2 inches long. His older brother
| > Jai Paul was only 5 lbs 10 oz. and was 19 inches long, and will be two
| > on 31 Oct (a Halloween treat!) My eldest, Great Granddaughter
| > Madeline Lynn MARTINY, is an ancient two years, seven months of age
| > (born 24 Feb 2005 in Midwest City, OK.) She is the daughter of my
| > eldest grandson USAF Capt. Caleb MARTINY and his wife Gillian.
| >
| > Oh, and my eldest granddaughter Erin M. HEBERT and her husband
| > Shane are expecting their first child in March 2008! That'll make four
| > - count 'em! - four Great Grandchilluns!
| >
| > And to think we were doubting we would ever be Great Grandparents!
| >
| > Henry
| >
|
| pssst? Henry? You're screwing up Ray's statistics!
|
| Bienvenue, Wesley! You picked a pretty good family to land in.
|
| Cheryl

Cheri,

You mean because I didn't have any male heirs? Ah, well, my wife's paternal
grandfather may have made up for that. He sired 19 children, of which 12
were males. Of those, 10 produced male heirs (although not 12 males each)
and each of those had male heirs who are having sons. Her surname will
survive for a few more generations, I'll bet.

And thanks for the welcome to little Wesley! (He makes another in his
daddy's male line!)

Henri

Mel G

Re: father's cousin's son?

Legg inn av Mel G » 09 okt 2007 20:01:43

I am about to meet my father's cousin's son whom
I haven't seen in about 35 years. What is our
relationship?

Before we answer that question, don't we need to know a bit more than
"father's cousin?" What cousin? Everyone seemed to assume first cousin
in their responses, but, that isn't stated in the query... nor is it
specified in the responses.

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