I am looking at a WWI Draft Registration off of ancestry.com. The 2nd
page (Registrar's Report) classifies the Registrant's height (tall,
medium, short) and build (slender, medium, stout).
Does anyone know if there were guidelines for these classifications?
Like 5'0" & under = short, etc. Or was it just based on the Registrar's
personal feelings.
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Dennis
WWI Draft Registration
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Roots and wings
Re: WWI Draft Registration
There is an interesting article in ancestry.com that explains the WWI
Regristration process. I'm sure it is referenced somewhere else if
you don't subscribe to ancestry. But, the reason you see different
cards is that there were 3 different registrations.
Here's an excerpt from the ancestry.com article:
The World War I draft consisted of three separate registrations.
First Registration. The registration on 5 June 1917, was for men aged
twenty-one to thirty-one-men born between 6 June 1886 and 5 June 1896.
Second Registration. The registration on 5 June 1918, was for men who
had turned twenty-one years of age since the previous registration-men
born between 6 June 1896 and 5 June 1897. Men who had not previously
registered and were not already in the military also registered. In
addition, a supplemental registration on 24 August 1918, was for men
who turned twenty-one years of age since 5 June 1918.
Third Registration. The registration on 12 Sept 1918, was for men aged
eighteen to twenty-one and thirty-one to forty-five-men born between
11 Sept 1872 and 12 Sept 1900.
The complete registration included men between the ages of 18 and 45-
males born between 1873 and 1900-who were not already in the military.
L.
On Sep 17, 6:06 pm, "Henry Brownlee" <hfbro...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Regristration process. I'm sure it is referenced somewhere else if
you don't subscribe to ancestry. But, the reason you see different
cards is that there were 3 different registrations.
Here's an excerpt from the ancestry.com article:
The World War I draft consisted of three separate registrations.
First Registration. The registration on 5 June 1917, was for men aged
twenty-one to thirty-one-men born between 6 June 1886 and 5 June 1896.
Second Registration. The registration on 5 June 1918, was for men who
had turned twenty-one years of age since the previous registration-men
born between 6 June 1896 and 5 June 1897. Men who had not previously
registered and were not already in the military also registered. In
addition, a supplemental registration on 24 August 1918, was for men
who turned twenty-one years of age since 5 June 1918.
Third Registration. The registration on 12 Sept 1918, was for men aged
eighteen to twenty-one and thirty-one to forty-five-men born between
11 Sept 1872 and 12 Sept 1900.
The complete registration included men between the ages of 18 and 45-
males born between 1873 and 1900-who were not already in the military.
L.
On Sep 17, 6:06 pm, "Henry Brownlee" <hfbro...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Dennis" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:u1tte31j82ungh5g70r1pcg6ebg7q9ndt3@4ax.com...
I am looking at a WWI Draft Registration off of ancestry.com. The 2nd
page (Registrar's Report) classifies the Registrant's height (tall,
medium, short) and build (slender, medium, stout).
Does anyone know if there were guidelines for these classifications?
Like 5'0" & under = short, etc. Or was it just based on the Registrar's
personal feelings.
--
Dennis
There seem to be different forms for different years. Some just have a line
for height and build, whereas others have blocks marked "tall, medium,
short" and "slender, medium, stout." Some I have seen just have the blocks
checked, whereas others give actual figures in the blocks, e.g. 5"5"" and
130#. Or for the older forms, they just give a description. All in all, it
looks like it is most probable that the registrar calls 'em as he sees 'em!
Henry
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Hugh Watkins
Re: WWI Draft Registration
Roots and wings wrote:
don't forget to define which country / state you are talking about
this group is read world wide
if USA ask NARA or Library of Congress about the laws behind the
conscription and the relevant ministerial? presidential? orders
In England and Wales we have "Instructions to Enumerators" for each
census telling the civl servants what to do and how to do it,
and a "description of District" with the route to be followed
you have asked a good question about the administration of an old law
Hug W
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There is an interesting article in ancestry.com that explains the WWI
Regristration process. I'm sure it is referenced somewhere else if
you don't subscribe to ancestry. But, the reason you see different
cards is that there were 3 different registrations.
Here's an excerpt from the ancestry.com article:
The World War I draft consisted of three separate registrations.
First Registration. The registration on 5 June 1917, was for men aged
twenty-one to thirty-one-men born between 6 June 1886 and 5 June 1896.
Second Registration. The registration on 5 June 1918, was for men who
had turned twenty-one years of age since the previous registration-men
born between 6 June 1896 and 5 June 1897. Men who had not previously
registered and were not already in the military also registered. In
addition, a supplemental registration on 24 August 1918, was for men
who turned twenty-one years of age since 5 June 1918.
Third Registration. The registration on 12 Sept 1918, was for men aged
eighteen to twenty-one and thirty-one to forty-five-men born between
11 Sept 1872 and 12 Sept 1900.
The complete registration included men between the ages of 18 and 45-
males born between 1873 and 1900-who were not already in the military.
L.
On Sep 17, 6:06 pm, "Henry Brownlee" <hfbro...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Dennis" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:u1tte31j82ungh5g70r1pcg6ebg7q9ndt3@4ax.com...
I am looking at a WWI Draft Registration off of ancestry.com. The 2nd
page (Registrar's Report) classifies the Registrant's height (tall,
medium, short) and build (slender, medium, stout).
Does anyone know if there were guidelines for these classifications?
Like 5'0" & under = short, etc. Or was it just based on the Registrar's
personal feelings.
--
Dennis
There seem to be different forms for different years. Some just have a line
for height and build, whereas others have blocks marked "tall, medium,
short" and "slender, medium, stout." Some I have seen just have the blocks
checked, whereas others give actual figures in the blocks, e.g. 5"5"" and
130#. Or for the older forms, they just give a description. All in all, it
looks like it is most probable that the registrar calls 'em as he sees 'em!
don't forget to define which country / state you are talking about
this group is read world wide
if USA ask NARA or Library of Congress about the laws behind the
conscription and the relevant ministerial? presidential? orders
In England and Wales we have "Instructions to Enumerators" for each
census telling the civl servants what to do and how to do it,
and a "description of District" with the route to be followed
you have asked a good question about the administration of an old law
Hug W
--
For genealogy and help with family and local history in Bristol and
district http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Brycgstow/
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks
GENEALOGE http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG
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singhals
Re: WWI Draft Registration
Hugh Watkins wrote:
The instructions are available ... several places have them
on-line; I imagine NARA's website (http://www.nara.gov) does. And
it was a matter of the registrar calling it as he saw it.
Which would mean -- a tall registrar would see fewer tall
men than a short one would. OTOH, a short registrar saw
fewer short men than a tall one.
Anecdotal: my Great-Grand-Uncle's draft card (Jun 1917)
describes him as "tall" height; he was 5-8 or so. His
nephew's card doesn't seem to show a height, but I know he
was the same 5-8 or so; the nephew too young to register was
5-6 (from his driver's license). OTOH, in that entire
county, I found very very few men marked "short" even the
ones I knew personally who couldn't have hit 5-4 early in
the morning after a long night's sleep. Even the guy known
far and wide as "shorty" was marked "medium"...go figger.
FWIW.
Cheryl
Roots and wings wrote:
There is an interesting article in ancestry.com that explains the WWI
Regristration process. I'm sure it is referenced somewhere else if
you don't subscribe to ancestry. But, the reason you see different
cards is that there were 3 different registrations.
Here's an excerpt from the ancestry.com article:
The World War I draft consisted of three separate registrations.
First Registration. The registration on 5 June 1917, was for men aged
twenty-one to thirty-one-men born between 6 June 1886 and 5 June 1896.
Second Registration. The registration on 5 June 1918, was for men who
had turned twenty-one years of age since the previous registration-men
born between 6 June 1896 and 5 June 1897. Men who had not previously
registered and were not already in the military also registered. In
addition, a supplemental registration on 24 August 1918, was for men
who turned twenty-one years of age since 5 June 1918.
Third Registration. The registration on 12 Sept 1918, was for men aged
eighteen to twenty-one and thirty-one to forty-five-men born between
11 Sept 1872 and 12 Sept 1900.
The complete registration included men between the ages of 18 and 45-
males born between 1873 and 1900-who were not already in the military.
L.
On Sep 17, 6:06 pm, "Henry Brownlee" <hfbro...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Dennis" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:u1tte31j82ungh5g70r1pcg6ebg7q9ndt3@4ax.com...
I am looking at a WWI Draft Registration off of ancestry.com. The 2nd
page (Registrar's Report) classifies the Registrant's height (tall,
medium, short) and build (slender, medium, stout).
Does anyone know if there were guidelines for these classifications?
Like 5'0" & under = short, etc. Or was it just based on the Registrar's
personal feelings.
--
Dennis
There seem to be different forms for different years. Some just have
a line
for height and build, whereas others have blocks marked "tall, medium,
short" and "slender, medium, stout." Some I have seen just have the
blocks
checked, whereas others give actual figures in the blocks, e.g. 5"5""
and
130#. Or for the older forms, they just give a description. All in
all, it
looks like it is most probable that the registrar calls 'em as he
sees 'em!
don't forget to define which country / state you are talking about
this group is read world wide
if USA ask NARA or Library of Congress about the laws behind the
conscription and the relevant ministerial? presidential? orders
In England and Wales we have "Instructions to Enumerators" for each
census telling the civl servants what to do and how to do it,
and a "description of District" with the route to be followed
you have asked a good question about the administration of an old law
Hug W
The instructions are available ... several places have them
on-line; I imagine NARA's website (http://www.nara.gov) does. And
it was a matter of the registrar calling it as he saw it.
Which would mean -- a tall registrar would see fewer tall
men than a short one would. OTOH, a short registrar saw
fewer short men than a tall one.
Anecdotal: my Great-Grand-Uncle's draft card (Jun 1917)
describes him as "tall" height; he was 5-8 or so. His
nephew's card doesn't seem to show a height, but I know he
was the same 5-8 or so; the nephew too young to register was
5-6 (from his driver's license). OTOH, in that entire
county, I found very very few men marked "short" even the
ones I knew personally who couldn't have hit 5-4 early in
the morning after a long night's sleep. Even the guy known
far and wide as "shorty" was marked "medium"...go figger.
FWIW.
Cheryl
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Joy Weaver
Re: WWI Draft Registration
Don't forget that we grow 'em taller today than they did in 1917-18. So a man
who was 5'4 might have been considered "medium" in those days, but "short" today.
Joy
who was 5'4 might have been considered "medium" in those days, but "short" today.
Joy
The instructions are available ... several places have them
on-line; I imagine NARA's website (http://www.nara.gov) does. And
it was a matter of the registrar calling it as he saw it.
Which would mean -- a tall registrar would see fewer tall
men than a short one would. OTOH, a short registrar saw
fewer short men than a tall one.
Anecdotal: my Great-Grand-Uncle's draft card (Jun 1917) describes him as
"tall" height; he was 5-8 or so. His nephew's card doesn't seem to show
a height, but I know he was the same 5-8 or so; the nephew too young to
register was 5-6 (from his driver's license). OTOH, in that entire
county, I found very very few men marked "short" even the ones I knew
personally who couldn't have hit 5-4 early in the morning after a long
night's sleep. Even the guy known far and wide as "shorty" was marked
"medium"...go figger.
FWIW.
Cheryl