Lars Olsen til Australia

[Erik Hov]

hei.

Prøver med dette å lete etter min tipptippoldefars bror Lars Olsen ,født i Nes på Hedmarken i 1837. Det eneste jeg vet om ham er at han skal ha dratt til Australia i 1876 og da visstnok ugift. Dessverre har jeg ikke funnet emigrasjonen ellers hadde jeg kanskje også visst hvor i Australia han skulle. Hadde vært artig å finne ham. Kan noen hjelpe?

mvh Erik

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Hei,

Det var ikke mange opplysningene du hadde og Olsen er et ganske vanlig navn i Australia. Det ser ut til at det også var et par Lars Olsen som reiste dit også.

En strategi kan være å finne ut hvor de forskjellige Lars Olsen døde i Australia. Det finnes en del søkbare databaser for dette og noen av disse krever en avgift for opplysningene. En oversikt for de forskjellige statene finner du her. Neste skritt kan da være å ta telefonkatalogen fatt og sjekke ut om det fortsatt bor noen i området Lars døde med navnet Olsen som kan være etterkommere.

I en gammel melding på nyhetsgruppen soc.genealogy.australia+nz er det nevnt en Lars P. Olsen som bodde i Rosedale, Queensland, i 1906. I følge telefonkatalogen bor det fortsatt personer med etternavnet Olsen i Rosedale.

[Erik Hov]

Takk for svar.

Nei det er ikke man vet om denne bortkomne Lars Olsen. Men har nå funnet at han må ha vært gift og hatt en datter.
Fikk nylig en prat med en slektning som nevnte noe om at min tippoldemors søster i Wisconsin hadde fått ett portrett fra Australia med bilde av ei ung dame ,og det sto visstnok til tante bakpå. Det sto visst også navnet på fotografen i Australia og da sannsynligvis også stedet den fotografen holdt til. Den som hadde det portrettet i USA er nok død ,og jeg er ikke helt sikker på hvem som hadde det heller ,men jeg har en viss anelse. POrtrettet skal være fra slutten av 1800 tallet kanskje 1890åra. Dessverre vet man ikke navnet (så vidt jeg vet) til denne damen. Skulle ønske jeg visste hennes navn og hvor bilde ble tatt. Det ville hjulpet videre ,for da hadde en hatt et sted å begynne å lete.

Mvh
Erik

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Hei,

Dersom han kun hadde en datter i Australia er ikke telefonkatalogen et brukbart hjelpemiddel. Hva har du av opplysninger om Lars før han reiste? Har du funnet han under utflyttede i kirkeboka? Kanskje han kan finnes i en passasjerliste for 1876? En bra lenkesamling med passasjerlister finnes her.

[gj05249]

Hi Vidar

Is there anything I could do to help with this query? I can't understand most of it, sorry!

Michelle Larsen
Queensland, Australia

[Vidar Sigurd Øverlie]

Hi Michelle,

Thanks for your generous offer to help. I will try to summaries the query above. Trust that Erik Hov will correct me if I got anything wrong.

We are looking for information about Lars Olsen or his descendants. He was born at Nes in Hedmark County, Norway, in 1837. He sailed to Australia in 1876 and was probably not married at that time. It is not known where he landed in Australia. There appears to be some information that he got married there and had a daughter.

This is not much information to start from. I have been searching some of the death registers and there appears to have been several Lars Olsen in Australia. However, without knowing where Lars settled it is difficult to determine the right one. I have suggested looking at passengers list for 1876. Do you have any suggestions?

[Laila Normann Christiansen]

Fødelsdato er alltid greit å vite, særlig med slike vanlige navn. Også hvor han var den siste folketellingen han levde i Norge, slik at gårdsnavn også kan være med i betraktningen når man leter.

[Erik Hov]

HI.

I`m writing in english so Michelle can understand. Lars Olsen was born 16 Jul 1837 in Nes ,Hedmark County ,Norway. He moved from Nes in Hedmark 1853 and 1857 both times to Oslo. But it is hard to find him in the census 1865. It is said that he went to Australia 1876 ,but I have also heard between 1870 and 1875. Think he may have been living in Oslo 1865. HIs parents Ole Hansen and Alis Larsdatter lived in Hamar ,Hedmark County in 1865 ,and Alis was living in Oslo 1875. Some of Lars`brother Olaus Olsen`s descendants are named Munkvik. That was because the parents sometime lived at Munkvika in Nes ,Hedmark County ,Norway.
If I had known where Lars came in AUstralia. Guess this is the famous "needle in a haystack"??

Erik

[gj05249]

Hi Erik

I'm afraid you might be right about the needle in the haystack! Lars Olsen is such a common name. I have just checked the 'assisted' immigration into Queensland for the 1870s and there were several Lars Olsens but none the right age or even close. Nothing under Olesen or Lauritz Olsen/Olesen. I will be going to my local library in 4 days time where I can check through books with passenger lists. Would it be likely he came via England, Hamburg or Bremen?
I will check for a marriage as well. If we can find the right state - Victoria, New South Wales, Queensland are the most likely - then we might find out some more.

Have you tried asking Robert Ørsted Jensen? He has a database of Skandinavians coming to Australia. Robert was offering help on this forum not long ago.

Bye,
Michelle Larsen

[gj05249]

Hi Erik

Back again! Could his middle name be Peter?

There was a Lars Peter Olsen married an Eliza Maria Nielsen in 1888 in Queensland and they appeared to have only one child (in Queensland), Laura Amalie Olsen in 1896.

There was a Lars P. Olsen who came to Queensland on the 'Friedeburg' 20 Aug 1873 but he was only 21 years old. This may be the person above. There is no death record for a suitable Lars Olsen in Qld up to 1914.

I have also been checking under Olesen and Munkvik just in case. Have found no record of him on passenger lists coming into Victoria or New South Wales on online indexes but these are not as good as the books in the library.

Bye,
Michelle Larsen

[Erik Hov]

Hi.

No Lars was only named Lars ,so I guess that Lars Peter in Queensland must be that one born abt 1852 married to Eliza in 1888.
So can we assume that he didn`t came to either Queensland ,Victoria or New South Wales??
I know Lars surely had daughter ,and that she sent a portrait of herself ot her aunt in Norway that someone in USA now have.
I don`t know the name of Lars` daughter......
In USA in abt 1945-1946 it was Anne who had died (don`t know where or her surname) ,and left no siblings ,husband or children. She shall have been related to Lars and his siblings and their children ,but no one seems to know how.

Erik

[gj05249]

Hi Erik

I think we can rule out Queensland but not the other two states. He may also have entered Australia as a sailor who jumped ship, therefore he would not be on passenger lists. There is a book at the library listing people who jumped ship but it doesn't give any details other than name. I will keep looking at other states.

Bye
Michelle Larsen

[gj05249]

Hi Erik

I have not had any luck in finding your Lars Olsen. The only one I could find was in Victoria and he is probably too young. Here are the details anyway:

Lars Olsen born Norway married Ada Annie Cliff in 1884 Victoria
Children:
Ernest Lars born 1885 Port Melbourne
Ada Annie Olina born 1888 Port Melbourne
Alice Florence born 1893 Melbourne
Eva Beatrice Victoria born 1890 Melbourne
Vera Clarice Christina born 1898 Albert Park
Nellie Florence Josine born 1909 Carlton (this child has same mother but father unknown)

You could order a marriage certificate if you wanted to and I think this can be done with a credit card online and it will print directly to your computer. It should give you his parent's names. If you want to do this let me know and I will find the website address.

Sorry, I could not be more help to you.
Michelle Larsen

[Erik Hov]

HI Michelle.

Thanks for answer. This Lars surely seems too young. Actually when I searched for him some years ago ,I also found this family ,and have more on the children ,but Neither I have dates on Lars and Ada. After what I have heard Lars shall have been unmarried when he left NOrway probably between 1870 and 1876 ,so it`s possible he married late in life.
Have tried to find some descendants of this family to ask them about Lars` parents. That too would give results I guess........
He did have a daughter though........

Erik

[Erik Hov]

I have been trying to locate Lars Olsen in any census ,but didn`t ,so this would be the info I have on him born 16 Jul 1837 ,confirmation in Nes ,Hedmark 1851 and in 1853 he moved to Oslo/ Kristiania ,Norway.
I didn`t find him in the census 1865 or 1875 censuses ,so now I start wonder if he left before 1865 since I can`t find him. Could be he used Hansen/Hanson surname too (his father`s patronym) ,allthough his siblings used Olsen.
So....is it some online searchable emigrant lists between 1853-1865 from Norway???
Maybe I can find his emigration?

Erik

[Erik Hov]

Tried looking at ancestry.com for fun writing in Lars Olsen and living in Australia ,and searched the NSW Unassisted immigrant passenger lists 1826-1922.
Couldn`t see full results since I haven`t subscribed to ancestry ,but was able to find three possible matches that might be worth looking more into.
Came up with two Lars Olsens born abt 1839 ,
1 Lars Olson with origin Norway arriving 26 Sep 1864 to Sydney.
2 Lars Olson don`t know origin ,but seemingly not norwegian arriving in Sydney 5 Nov
1881
3 Also I found a Lars Hanson ,born abt 1838 with origin Norway ,arriving in Sydney ,NSW
16 January 1860.

Hope someone can help me further tracing at least number 1 and 3. Thanks for any help!.

Erik in Norway

[dn23027]

Farlig å blande seg inn her, kanskje, men er du sikker på at ikke ugift skræddersvend Lars Olsen i FT1875 Oslo er den rette? Født 1837 Hedemarken..

Link: http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/We ... 62031#ovre

Du har kanskje allerede sjekket ut han der, men jeg måtte spørre


Mvh

Linda W

[Vigdis Jøsang]

Se her hva jeg fant:

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... merk=46686

Kan det være ham du er på jakt etter? Alder stemmer på en prikk, estimert fødselsår 1837. I følge disse opplysningene skulle han til Philadelphia.

Mvh
Vigdis

[Erik Hov]

Yes ,these were interesting. Guess I did see that Lars Olsen in 1875 ,but it isn`t easy to rule him out and not the one who emigrated to Philadelphia 1878 either.
These might very well be the same person ,and I actually believe it IS too.
After a search in the 1875 census it is 8 Lars Olsen ,born 1835-1839 ,and all of them is married except 2 ,one born Eidsvoll 1835 and this Lars Olsen born 1837. Since the emigration age in 1878 fits the birth of Lars Olsen b 1837 I guess it should be that "skreddersvend" (tailor).

I have tried searching the 1865 census with occupation skr... ,Lars Ols and born year 1836-1838 ,but didn`t find anyone who could be my Lars.
Was a Lars Olsen Svenkerud born Hamar abt 1837 ,in Oslo 1865 ,but he died 1871.

My Lars moved to Oslo 1853 with his parents Ole Hansen and Alis Larsdatter.
Ole and Alis lived in Hamar ,Hedmark County in the census 1865 ,but Lars is not there. They later moved to Oslo ,where Alis lived in 1875 ,and died there 1885.

Looks like we now have 4 Lars`to search for. Maybe it would be best starting with the one who emigrated 1878?

Thanks ,
Erik

[Erik Hov]

Hello.

Today I got answer to who the survivors of Lars`s mother Alis Hansen was. Alis died 1885 in Oslo ,and her survivors were "6 children and 1 in America". If this is right ,Lars would still be in US 1885 ,but don`t know how much contact the family had between Norway-USA etc.
Guess I have to accept he was still in US in 1885.
But from there to refinding in Lars in Australia is not easy.
I have been looking at the 1880 census ,and found a Lars Oleson born 1837 married to Thora b abt 1840 ,living in York ,Green County ,Wisconsin 1880. They did not have children at the time ,so wonder if this could be my Lars?
Haven`t found them in 1900 ,but a couple with the same names are in Ripley ,Morrison County ,Minnesota ,but the birth years don`t fit ,but the oldest children born in Wisconsin.
Anysites that can tell about emigrants from US to Australia??

Erik