Gravem Norwegian Family

[Alexandre Gravem]

Hello all, I am new to this list and this is my first post. My name is
Alexandre Gravem and AFAIK my family is originally from Norway.

I live in Brazil and there was no immigration from Norway to here. And
none of my oldest alive relatives remember nothing about our immigrant
ancestor. I want to know if anyone in the list know something about my
family or about norwegians migrating to Brazil in the 1800's.

Thanks in advance,
Alexandre Gravem

[kumodoke]

Hello Alexandre,

Are you looking for a Norwegian family with the name Gravem? In which year?
And what are the names of the persons you are looking for?

When emigrating people took often the name of the place as a surname, where
they lived before emigrating
They might not have used this as a surname name in Norway, esp. not around
1800 is was usual to use patronyms (=the christian name of the father) as a
kind of surname.

Look for how you could do investigations in Norway at this site:

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~norway/

Gravem is a farm/place in Norway in the 1801 census in the county Buskerud
in the place Sandsvær and in the county Møre og Romsdal at the place
Sundal.
In the 1865 census there is only one farm/[lace gravem in Sunddal, Møre og
Romsdal
In the 1900 census only one farm gravem in Sundalen, Møre og Romsdal

So it might have been the case that they came somehow from there before
moving

http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/We ... r&spraak=e


Regards
Reina


Hello all, I am new to this list and this is my first post. My name is
Alexandre Gravem and AFAIK my family is originally from Norway.

I live in Brazil and there was no immigration from Norway to here. And
none of my oldest alive relatives remember nothing about our immigrant
ancestor. I want to know if anyone in the list know something about my
family or about norwegians migrating to Brazil in the 1800's.

[Hugh Watkins]

Alexandre Gravem wrote:

Hello all, I am new to this list and this is my first post. My name is
Alexandre Gravem and AFAIK my family is originally from Norway.

I live in Brazil and there was no immigration from Norway to here. And
none of my oldest alive relatives remember nothing about our immigrant
ancestor. I want to know if anyone in the list know something about my
family or about norwegians migrating to Brazil in the 1800's.

sailors meet a local girl and leave their ship, and I know of some Danes
who went to San Paulo after 1945 because of the war


start by using Brazillian records
tracking you family backwards until you find naturalisation papers for
example and ship's manifest of arrivals


"German immigration to Brazil started in 1824 -- just after Brazil won
independence from Portugal"

Hamburger Passagierlisten, 1850-1934 << this could be an indirect route
Auswanderungsregister durchsuchen
http://www.ancestry.de/search/rectype/d ... aspx?rt=40

http://content.ancestry.com/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1068
only the years 1890-1913 have been indexed so far.

so not much help
but that is the approach

Hugh W

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[Dave Hinz]

On 16 Mar 2007 11:32:38 -0700, Alexandre Gravem <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello all, I am new to this list and this is my first post. My name is
Alexandre Gravem and AFAIK my family is originally from Norway.

Hi - I do see Gravem as a Norwegian name when I look at familysearch.org
searching for that as a last name. Take a look there if you haven't
already, looks like some goodinfo. Most likely, it is a farm name. I
don't know what you know already so pardon me if this is old to you but,
typically Norwegian naming up to the mid/late 1800s used this form:
Firstname Patronym Placename
Literally, what's your name, who is your daddy, and where are you from.
Let's look for Gravem then as a location:
Using an online version of Oluf Rygh's "Norwegian farm names", at:
http://www.dokpro.uio.no/rygh_ng/rygh_form.html
....it lists exactly one farm with Gravem in the name. (enter gravem in
the "farm name" and hit search to see the hit).

Next, if it were me, I'd go to the 1801 and 1865 census and find Gravem in the
parish of Romfo, in the municipality of Sundalen, in the fylke (roughly,
"county" or "state") of Romsdals. Let's see:
Start here: http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/index-eng.htm
Click on "1801" and "search"
Enter "gravem" into the "fast search" box and here's a bunch of folks
living on that farm in 1801. Repeat for 1865, with luck you'll see
names which are familiar to you. If you can give more info, I can spend
more time on this.

Dave Hinz

I live in Brazil and there was no immigration from Norway to here. And
none of my oldest alive relatives remember nothing about our immigrant
ancestor. I want to know if anyone in the list know something about my
family or about norwegians migrating to Brazil in the 1800's.

Once we know who came over, we can look in the emigration lists if they
exist to see when and where they left from and for.

[Stein R]

"Alexandre Gravem" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

Hello all, I am new to this list and this is my first post. My name is
Alexandre Gravem and AFAIK my family is originally from Norway.

I live in Brazil and there was no immigration from Norway to here.

Umm - those two statements ("my family is originally from Norway" and
"there was no immigration from Norway to here") would seem to be in
conflict with each other

No, there was no _mass_ emigration from Norway to South America. But
individual Norwegians winded up in a lot of unexpected places, possibly
due to the fact that in the 1800s shipping became a major industry in
Norway.

As a couple of people have pointed out: the farm name Gravem existed in
at least two places - Sandsvær (near the inland city of Kongsberg, WNW
of Oslo) in Buskerud province and in Sundal (South valley, spelled
alternatively Sundal, Sunddal and Sundalen) in Møre and Romsdal province
on the NW coast of southern Norway.

Gravem still exists as a surname in Norway. According to statistics
Norway's name web page (http://www.ssb.no/navn) there is 237 persons
with Gravem as last name as of now.

(The fields and buttons are: top radio buttons are "female" and "male",
fields are "First name" and "Family name/surname", the grey button is
"search". Result says how many has that name).

Phonebook online (http://www.telefonkatalogen.no) lists 262 hits on
Gravem, 136 of which are on the west coast, of which 115 is in Møre and
Romsdal province, of which the majority (79) are in Sunndal municipality
- for some reason I haven't bothered going through them all

Result set at http://www.gulesider.no/tk/search.c?q=Gravem

A map search on Gravem at the yellow pages lists several farm in Sundal
parish, south of the city of Sunndaløra, where route 70 makes a 90
degree turn from going south to going east.

Map search: http://kart.gulesider.no/kart/map.c
Enter name (Gravem) in white field on top, click on "Sok" (Search)
Results set looks like this:

Adresse og/eller stedsnavn
Gravem (Grend), Sunndal kommune
Larsstu Gravem (Bruk (gard) (hovedbygn.)), Sunndal kommune
Negard Gravem (Bruk (gard) (hovedbygn.)), Sunndal kommune
Oppigard Gravem (Bruk (gard) (hovedbygn.)), Sunndal kommune
Utistu Gravem (Bruk (gard) (hovedbygn.)), Sunndal kommune

("grend" means "village"/"cluster of houses", "bruk" or "gard" means
"farm", "hovedbygn." means "living house (of farm)")

"Negard Gravem" means "lower Gravem farm"
"Oppigard Gravem" means "upper Gravem farm"
"Larsstu Gravem" means "Tenant farmer Lars' rented part of Gravem"
"Utistu Gravem" means "Tenant farmer's rented part on the outskirts of
Gravem"

So yes - it seems likely that the farm name Gravem comes from that
little cluster of farms around that curve on route 70, south of
Sundalsøra on the NW coast of southern Norway.

A google search (http://www.google.com) on Gravem finds some odds and
ends too. Among them some posts by you in various other newsgroups, one
of the artists in the Norwegian band "Kåre and the Cave Men" is a
Gravem, there is a skater named Øyvind Gravem, an artist name Rhoda
Achieng Gravem, a Gravem comp sci student studying at the university of
Oslo, a couple of American Gravems (possibly descendants of the same
family), a couple of university lecturers and so on and so forth.

And none of my oldest alive relatives remember nothing about our
immigrant ancestor. I want to know if anyone in the list know
something about my family or about norwegians migrating to Brazil
in the 1800's.

Always start on the end where people live now and work backwards from
there. Make a note of all names your oldest living relatives do know.
Check archieves and/or registers in Brazil to try to find the name of
your Norwegian ancestor in Brazil.

When you have the name (and when he arrived in Brazil), you can jump to
Norway and see if you can find him (and his ancestors) there.

It is likely that if your ancestor ended up in Brazil early in the
1800s, he probably came there as ships crew (possibly just jumping ship
in port , and might be hard to find in the official immigrant records
- assuming that there are official immigrant records from the 1800s
preserved and available over there.

I checked the emigrant registers online here in Norway (Norwegian
records online at http://www.digitalarkivet.no). Quite a few Gravems who
emigrated post 1880 through the port of Kristiansund (which would have
been the natural choice when coming from Sundal valley). But they all
list their destination as the USA.

Anyways - good luck on your search. Start in Brazil, work your way
back, and maybe you can establish a link.

Smile,
Stein in Norway

[Alf Sanden]

In 1850, 150 norwegian left Trondheim with a ship for golddigging in
California. The ship was stopped in Brasil, it was too bad, and some of the
norwegians got land there. Others returned ro norway and others maybee got
they reach, California.
Look at this homepage http://www.familiaolsen.com/olsen/index2.asp
Maybe this can help you?

Alf Sanden

"Alexandre Gravem" <[email protected]> skrev i melding
news:[email protected]...

Hello all, I am new to this list and this is my first post. My name is
Alexandre Gravem and AFAIK my family is originally from Norway.

I live in Brazil and there was no immigration from Norway to here. And
none of my oldest alive relatives remember nothing about our immigrant
ancestor. I want to know if anyone in the list know something about my
family or about norwegians migrating to Brazil in the 1800's.

Thanks in advance,
Alexandre Gravem

[Alexandre Gravem]

Thanks to all that replied!
I am reading all the links you have posted and will follow your
indications to make a good use of them!

Most Grateful,
Alexandre Gravem