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Multiple ID numbers

Legg inn av singhals » 16 mar 2007 01:30:56

I have several family members who appear in two or more
published family histories, each of which assigns an ID
number. These include, but are far from limited to, these
publications:

1. Kuykendall, George Benson, (1843-) : History of the
Kuykendall family since its settlement in Dutch New York in
1646 : with genealogy as found in early Dutch church
records, state and government documents, together with
sketches of colonial times, old log cabin days, Indian wars,
pioneer hardships, social customs, dress and mode of living
of the early forefathers, with illustrations. Portland,
Oregon : Kilham Stationery & Printing, c1919; physical
[22], 645, [20] p. : ill, facsims., geneal. tables, maps, ports.

2. Van Sweringen, Lola Belle Thoroughman Scott, (1922-)
Gerret Von Sweringen in the U.S.A. : a compilation of his
progeny in the year 1977. Winter Park, Florida : Anna Pub.,
c1978; [16], 522 p. : ill., coat of arms, facsims., maps,
ports. (one folded)


3. Cresap, J. Ord (Joseph Ord), (1883-1961), comp., The
history of the Cresaps. Rev. ed. Gallatin, Tennessee :
Cresap Society, c1987: 803 p., [16] p. of plates : ill.,
facsims., ports.


I would like to include in future revisions of the Cresap
Database the reference number of each person who appears in
each of the OTHER compilations. This would make so-called
positive ID easier for future Cresaps as well as for future
Kuykendalls, Swearingens et alii.

Before I do too many more I'd like to have a standard (or
for the e-clined, a template) to use. I just don't see
copying four or five entire biblios into each person (I mean
... come ON! What's the point of printing the same paragraph
for my mother, each of my two uncles, each of the 8 in my
generation and the 6 in the next and the 4 in the next?
Even as a footnote, that's excessive!

I've been using "1937 Cresap ID=324" "1978 Swearingen ID
=323" "1919 Kuykendall ID = 145" and putting each of the
books in as a Source (which isn't referenced anywhere).

I assume others have encountered a similar problem, so how
did you handle the issue of making sure all those IDs got
into the narrative/Notes/MoreAbout section for the
appropriate party?

Cheryl

Hugh Watkins

Re: Multiple ID numbers

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 16 mar 2007 14:34:27

singhals wrote:

I have several family members who appear in two or more
published family histories, each of which assigns an ID number. These
include, but are far from limited to, these publications:

1. Kuykendall, George Benson, (1843-) : History of the Kuykendall
family since its settlement in Dutch New York in 1646 : with genealogy
as found in early Dutch church records, state and government documents,
together with sketches of colonial times, old log cabin days, Indian
wars, pioneer hardships, social customs, dress and mode of living of the
early forefathers, with illustrations. Portland, Oregon : Kilham
Stationery & Printing, c1919; physical
[22], 645, [20] p. : ill, facsims., geneal. tables, maps, ports.

2. Van Sweringen, Lola Belle Thoroughman Scott, (1922-) Gerret Von
Sweringen in the U.S.A. : a compilation of his progeny in the year
1977. Winter Park, Florida : Anna Pub., c1978; [16], 522 p. : ill.,
coat of arms, facsims., maps, ports. (one folded)


3. Cresap, J. Ord (Joseph Ord), (1883-1961), comp., The history of the
Cresaps. Rev. ed. Gallatin, Tennessee : Cresap Society, c1987: 803
p., [16] p. of plates : ill., facsims., ports.


I would like to include in future revisions of the Cresap Database the
reference number of each person who appears in each of the OTHER
compilations. This would make so-called positive ID easier for future
Cresaps as well as for future Kuykendalls, Swearingens et alii.

Before I do too many more I'd like to have a standard (or for the
e-clined, a template) to use. I just don't see copying four or five
entire biblios into each person (I mean .. come ON! What's the point of
printing the same paragraph for my mother, each of my two uncles, each
of the 8 in my generation and the 6 in the next and the 4 in the next?
Even as a footnote, that's excessive!

I've been using "1937 Cresap ID=324" "1978 Swearingen ID =323" "1919
Kuykendall ID = 145" and putting each of the books in as a Source (which
isn't referenced anywhere).

I assume others have encountered a similar problem, so how
did you handle the issue of making sure all those IDs got
into the narrative/Notes/MoreAbout section for the
appropriate party?


who is going to read your work?

if printed a list of sources at the back should be good enough

all the sources you list are secondary sources
where did they get their data from?

only primary sources, or images of them, are interesting in modern
genealogy,
such as the actual reference code used by the archive holding the
Dutch church records, state and government documents quoted (or
misquoted) by the others

for example
Hotten, John Camden. Original Lists of Persons of Quality
is widely quoted but is merely a secondary source
and in fact includes about half or less of the matierial available in
the archives

just because a fact has been copied from one out of print book to
another does not mean that it is correct

Some Victorian genealogies are simply fiction invented to earn money
from sponsors

You only need quote the oldest of the secondary sources because the
newer are copies

Hugh W


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singhals

Re: Multiple ID numbers

Legg inn av singhals » 18 mar 2007 02:29:32

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

I have several family members who appear in two or more
published family histories, each of which assigns an ID number. These
include, but are far from limited to, these publications:

1. Kuykendall, George Benson, (1843-) : History of the Kuykendall
family since its settlement in Dutch New York in 1646 : with genealogy
as found in early Dutch church records, state and government
documents, together with sketches of colonial times, old log cabin
days, Indian wars, pioneer hardships, social customs, dress and mode
of living of the early forefathers, with illustrations. Portland,
Oregon : Kilham Stationery & Printing, c1919; physical
[22], 645, [20] p. : ill, facsims., geneal. tables, maps, ports.

2. Van Sweringen, Lola Belle Thoroughman Scott, (1922-) Gerret Von
Sweringen in the U.S.A. : a compilation of his progeny in the year
1977. Winter Park, Florida : Anna Pub., c1978; [16], 522 p. : ill.,
coat of arms, facsims., maps, ports. (one folded)


3. Cresap, J. Ord (Joseph Ord), (1883-1961), comp., The history of the
Cresaps. Rev. ed. Gallatin, Tennessee : Cresap Society, c1987: 803
p., [16] p. of plates : ill., facsims., ports.


I would like to include in future revisions of the Cresap Database the
reference number of each person who appears in each of the OTHER
compilations. This would make so-called positive ID easier for future
Cresaps as well as for future Kuykendalls, Swearingens et alii.

Before I do too many more I'd like to have a standard (or for the
e-clined, a template) to use. I just don't see copying four or five
entire biblios into each person (I mean .. come ON! What's the point
of printing the same paragraph for my mother, each of my two uncles,
each of the 8 in my generation and the 6 in the next and the 4 in the
next? Even as a footnote, that's excessive!

I've been using "1937 Cresap ID=324" "1978 Swearingen ID =323" "1919
Kuykendall ID = 145" and putting each of the books in as a Source
(which isn't referenced anywhere).

I assume others have encountered a similar problem, so how
did you handle the issue of making sure all those IDs got
into the narrative/Notes/MoreAbout section for the
appropriate party?



who is going to read your work?

if printed a list of sources at the back should be good enough

So you're agreeing with "1927 Cresap ID = 324" on the person
and a full cite in the back?


all the sources you list are secondary sources
where did they get their data from?


Can't say I care; what I care about is confirming for the
future reader that X is in all three books and here's the
relevant ID number.


You only need quote the oldest of the secondary sources because the
newer are copies

But I'm not citing sources, I'm drawing connecting lines
from this book to that one to another. Kind of a "Person 1
on Chart 47 is the same as person 48 on Chart 12" sort of thing.

Cheryl

Hugh Watkins

Re: Multiple ID numbers

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 18 mar 2007 20:55:34

singhals wrote:

Hugh Watkins wrote:

singhals wrote:

I have several family members who appear in two or more
published family histories, each of which assigns an ID number.
These include, but are far from limited to, these publications:

1. Kuykendall, George Benson, (1843-) : History of the Kuykendall
family since its settlement in Dutch New York in 1646 : with
genealogy as found in early Dutch church records, state and
government documents, together with sketches of colonial times, old
log cabin days, Indian wars, pioneer hardships, social customs, dress
and mode of living of the early forefathers, with illustrations.
Portland, Oregon : Kilham Stationery & Printing, c1919; physical
[22], 645, [20] p. : ill, facsims., geneal. tables, maps, ports.

2. Van Sweringen, Lola Belle Thoroughman Scott, (1922-) Gerret Von
Sweringen in the U.S.A. : a compilation of his progeny in the year
1977. Winter Park, Florida : Anna Pub., c1978; [16], 522 p. : ill.,
coat of arms, facsims., maps, ports. (one folded)


3. Cresap, J. Ord (Joseph Ord), (1883-1961), comp., The history of
the Cresaps. Rev. ed. Gallatin, Tennessee : Cresap Society, c1987:
803 p., [16] p. of plates : ill., facsims., ports.


I would like to include in future revisions of the Cresap Database
the reference number of each person who appears in each of the OTHER
compilations. This would make so-called positive ID easier for future
Cresaps as well as for future Kuykendalls, Swearingens et alii.

Before I do too many more I'd like to have a standard (or for the
e-clined, a template) to use. I just don't see copying four or five
entire biblios into each person (I mean .. come ON! What's the point
of printing the same paragraph for my mother, each of my two uncles,
each of the 8 in my generation and the 6 in the next and the 4 in the
next? Even as a footnote, that's excessive!

I've been using "1937 Cresap ID=324" "1978 Swearingen ID =323" "1919
Kuykendall ID = 145" and putting each of the books in as a Source
(which isn't referenced anywhere).

I assume others have encountered a similar problem, so how
did you handle the issue of making sure all those IDs got
into the narrative/Notes/MoreAbout section for the
appropriate party?




who is going to read your work?

if printed a list of sources at the back should be good enough


So you're agreeing with "1927 Cresap ID = 324" on the person and a full
cite in the back?



all the sources you list are secondary sources
where did they get their data from?


Can't say I care; what I care about is confirming for the future reader
that X is in all three books and here's the relevant ID number.



You only need quote the oldest of the secondary sources because the
newer are copies


But I'm not citing sources, I'm drawing connecting lines from this book
to that one to another. Kind of a "Person 1 on Chart 47 is the same as
person 48 on Chart 12" sort of thing.

well just do that
it is your hobby so do it in your way

I judge sources for quality
the primary sources are those made at the time of the event by people
who were there

copies ae not really interesting unless the original hae been destroyed
like the Irish National Archives in Dublin
then the victorian published copies ae all we have


IGI is OK because it is what it says it is -- an index

In my LAPHAM one-name study there are a couple of doubtful marriages
as an index I need to post both of them with or without comments

the only primary data in my own genealogies are reminincences from my
childhood and mss in my possession

In UK I go to county record offices and study MSS of church books and
property deeds my copy is a *secondary source* because I could have made
a mistake
my online version os a *tertiary source* because I copied form my own notes

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after 1 July 1837 in England and Wales by law marriages in church were
recorded in a parish register

2) and a second copy was kept and sent to the Registrar (of civil
registration)

3)
four times a year the local registrar sent a copy to the office for
national statistics

4)
then those clerks with quill pens . ... (since 1984 by computer of
course http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8753 )
made a copy and put it in an index

5)
a copy of that index is available in London

6)
errors found were written in as corrections in the margins

7)
after 100 years parts of the mss were wearing out so those got typed

8)
it has also been photographed and is available on fiche and film


9)
images are available on line
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectyp ... d/bmd.aspx
and elsewhere

10)
these have deen transcrubed by thousand of volunteers
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

11)
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8913
update runs about 3 months behind (10)

12) http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mikefost/

Researchers have all too often completely failed to find references to
persons they have been searching for. The system has long been suspected
of errors. At last this research has supplied proof of missing records,
wrongly copied records, wrongly indexed records, unindexed records,
mistyped indexes, errors in page references, volume references and
district names

it is amazing that so much is accurate

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we all have to test the quality of our sorces

who copied who is not important

genealogical method is like deective work only evidence counts - not
opinions

a guess or an estimate should be labelled as such
old genealogies and even family bibles contain errors


Hugh W



--

a wonderful artist in Denmark
http://www.ingerlisekristoffersen.dk/

Beta blogger
http://snaps4.blogspot.com/ photographs and walks

old blogger GENEALOGE
http://hughw36.blogspot.com/ MAIN BLOG

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