Would the published birth date and the first name of an adoptee be the
same as the actual date of birth and name (before adoption took
place).
Mary
adoptive birth date and name
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Hugh Watkins
Re: adoptive birth date and name
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Would the published birth date and the first name of an adoptee be the
same as the actual date of birth and name (before adoption took
place).
Mary
not necessarily
Hugh W
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Huntersglenn
Re: adoptive birth date and name
That would depend on a variety of factors. Where was this published?
Is this a birth index from a state or county? Is it a family tree? If
it's a birth index, then I'd guess that 'when' would make a difference.
For instance, a friend of mine who was adopted in 1964 has recently
found out that Catholic Charities, who handled the adoption, routinely
changed birth dates, including the year, on the birth certificates (as
well as the names of all concerned, including the hospital). So, even
though she has a birth certificate that shows her birth parents, it's
all fake and she doesn't even know when she was born, and that birth
certificate is the official one on file in her state. The only people
who have the actual real birth certificate are Catholic Charities. So,
if it's a modern thing, then odds are that it will not include that
information. If it's older, then it might include that information.
It's also going to vary by state and what their rules were regarding
public and private adoptions.
Cathy
tombates@city-net.com wrote:
Is this a birth index from a state or county? Is it a family tree? If
it's a birth index, then I'd guess that 'when' would make a difference.
For instance, a friend of mine who was adopted in 1964 has recently
found out that Catholic Charities, who handled the adoption, routinely
changed birth dates, including the year, on the birth certificates (as
well as the names of all concerned, including the hospital). So, even
though she has a birth certificate that shows her birth parents, it's
all fake and she doesn't even know when she was born, and that birth
certificate is the official one on file in her state. The only people
who have the actual real birth certificate are Catholic Charities. So,
if it's a modern thing, then odds are that it will not include that
information. If it's older, then it might include that information.
It's also going to vary by state and what their rules were regarding
public and private adoptions.
Cathy
tombates@city-net.com wrote:
Would the published birth date and the first name of an adoptee be the
same as the actual date of birth and name (before adoption took
place).
Mary
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Joe Pessarra
Re: adoptive birth date and name
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:mjoDh.2896$3W4.945@newsfe21.lga...
Not meaning to start an argument, but do you happen to know the state? We
have two adopted children from Catholic Charities, and the dates and
hospital and parents are right on.
Joe in Texas
news:mjoDh.2896$3W4.945@newsfe21.lga...
For instance, a friend of mine who was adopted in 1964 has recently
found out that Catholic Charities, who handled the adoption, routinely
changed birth dates, including the year, on the birth certificates (as
well as the names of all concerned, including the hospital).
Not meaning to start an argument, but do you happen to know the state? We
have two adopted children from Catholic Charities, and the dates and
hospital and parents are right on.
Joe in Texas
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Huntersglenn
Re: adoptive birth date and name
It was in Missouri, or maybe it would be more correct to say that the
adoption took place in Missouri. She's been to their web site, and found
that information there about them changing all of that information.
There's a page where people can post comments, and she reported that it
was flooded with irate e-mails from people who'd been adopted through
them and who were quite upset over finding out that they'd done that. I
don't know if this happened over a short period of time, or if it was
over a long period of time - she didn't tell me that.
The odd thing is that she HAD found information on the name that was put
in for her father, and that information would match with her birth year
and such, but now she's not sure if Catholic Charities is telling that
to people and they didn't change things all of the time, or if they'd
changed just some things, but not the others, and she doesn't have the
hundreds of dollars to spend to find out (they'll provide her with her
true birth certificate for a price, provided they've still got it on
record). Ironically, she hadn't set out to find her birth parents. Her
mother is developing Alzheimer's and they were looking for her financial
information and came across a ton of stuff about her adoption and her
sister's adoption, so she figured, hey, why not check it out? And now
she's just feeling blindsided by what she learned from Catholic
Charities. She is sure about her birth year, because she was still an
infant when her parents adopted her, but that's about all she's sure of
right now. That, and the fact that her b-grandparents on her b-mother's
side were adamant about her being brought up Catholic AND be taught her
Irish heritage. Her mother had a copy of their letter to Catholic
Charities detailing all of that.
Cathy
Joe Pessarra wrote:
adoption took place in Missouri. She's been to their web site, and found
that information there about them changing all of that information.
There's a page where people can post comments, and she reported that it
was flooded with irate e-mails from people who'd been adopted through
them and who were quite upset over finding out that they'd done that. I
don't know if this happened over a short period of time, or if it was
over a long period of time - she didn't tell me that.
The odd thing is that she HAD found information on the name that was put
in for her father, and that information would match with her birth year
and such, but now she's not sure if Catholic Charities is telling that
to people and they didn't change things all of the time, or if they'd
changed just some things, but not the others, and she doesn't have the
hundreds of dollars to spend to find out (they'll provide her with her
true birth certificate for a price, provided they've still got it on
record). Ironically, she hadn't set out to find her birth parents. Her
mother is developing Alzheimer's and they were looking for her financial
information and came across a ton of stuff about her adoption and her
sister's adoption, so she figured, hey, why not check it out? And now
she's just feeling blindsided by what she learned from Catholic
Charities. She is sure about her birth year, because she was still an
infant when her parents adopted her, but that's about all she's sure of
right now. That, and the fact that her b-grandparents on her b-mother's
side were adamant about her being brought up Catholic AND be taught her
Irish heritage. Her mother had a copy of their letter to Catholic
Charities detailing all of that.
Cathy
Joe Pessarra wrote:
Not meaning to start an argument, but do you happen to know the state? We
have two adopted children from Catholic Charities, and the dates and
hospital and parents are right on.
Joe in Texas
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Joe Pessarra
Re: adoptive birth date and name
Cathy,
Thanks for the info. I guess it must depend upon different states, but I
thought that in most cases you could find the correct information on correct
birth date for sure. It might take a court order to open the adoptive
files, but I thought you could do that also. The searcher might have to
show compelling reasons for wanting the information.
I would think that Catholic Charities would be willing to receive a letter
from the adoptee, and forward it to the known birth mother or birth father
indicating a wish to make contact. No names or addresses are shown on
either part, just a request. I know this has been done in Texas. Of
course, this wouldn't work if both birth parents are deceased.
Here is the Missouri site about adoption searches.
http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/adoption.html
Joe
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2KqDh.318783$qy.108247@newsfe16.lga...
Thanks for the info. I guess it must depend upon different states, but I
thought that in most cases you could find the correct information on correct
birth date for sure. It might take a court order to open the adoptive
files, but I thought you could do that also. The searcher might have to
show compelling reasons for wanting the information.
I would think that Catholic Charities would be willing to receive a letter
from the adoptee, and forward it to the known birth mother or birth father
indicating a wish to make contact. No names or addresses are shown on
either part, just a request. I know this has been done in Texas. Of
course, this wouldn't work if both birth parents are deceased.
Here is the Missouri site about adoption searches.
http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/adoption.html
Joe
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2KqDh.318783$qy.108247@newsfe16.lga...
It was in Missouri, or maybe it would be more correct to say that the
adoption took place in Missouri. She's been to their web site, and found
that information there about them changing all of that information.
There's a page where people can post comments, and she reported that it
was flooded with irate e-mails from people who'd been adopted through
them and who were quite upset over finding out that they'd done that. I
don't know if this happened over a short period of time, or if it was
over a long period of time - she didn't tell me that.
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Huntersglenn
Re: adoptive birth date and name
Joe,
Thanks for the link. I'll pass that on to her. The main thing right
now is that she's not interested in having contact with her birth
parents, but when the information was apparently dropped into her lap,
she did get curious about who they were and mostly about her heritage.
The big joke in her family had been that someone at Catholic Charities
had a wicked sense of humor by placing an obviously Irish child (pale
skin, green eyes, red hair) with an Italian family. Turns out that her
birth father was Italian, IF the information is correct.
I had suggested the court order route to her as well, and she's thinking
about checking into that. It could be that it would cost more than what
Catholic Charities wants for the same information, she hasn't checked on
that yet.
Cathy
Joe Pessarra wrote:
Thanks for the link. I'll pass that on to her. The main thing right
now is that she's not interested in having contact with her birth
parents, but when the information was apparently dropped into her lap,
she did get curious about who they were and mostly about her heritage.
The big joke in her family had been that someone at Catholic Charities
had a wicked sense of humor by placing an obviously Irish child (pale
skin, green eyes, red hair) with an Italian family. Turns out that her
birth father was Italian, IF the information is correct.
I had suggested the court order route to her as well, and she's thinking
about checking into that. It could be that it would cost more than what
Catholic Charities wants for the same information, she hasn't checked on
that yet.
Cathy
Joe Pessarra wrote:
Cathy,
Thanks for the info. I guess it must depend upon different states, but I
thought that in most cases you could find the correct information on correct
birth date for sure. It might take a court order to open the adoptive
files, but I thought you could do that also. The searcher might have to
show compelling reasons for wanting the information.
I would think that Catholic Charities would be willing to receive a letter
from the adoptee, and forward it to the known birth mother or birth father
indicating a wish to make contact. No names or addresses are shown on
either part, just a request. I know this has been done in Texas. Of
course, this wouldn't work if both birth parents are deceased.
Here is the Missouri site about adoption searches.
http://www.umsystem.edu/shs/adoption.html
Joe
"Huntersglenn" <huntersglenn@cox.net> wrote in message
news:2KqDh.318783$qy.108247@newsfe16.lga...
It was in Missouri, or maybe it would be more correct to say that the
adoption took place in Missouri. She's been to their web site, and found
that information there about them changing all of that information.
There's a page where people can post comments, and she reported that it
was flooded with irate e-mails from people who'd been adopted through
them and who were quite upset over finding out that they'd done that. I
don't know if this happened over a short period of time, or if it was
over a long period of time - she didn't tell me that.