Spouse's children
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Kaye Payne
Spouse's children
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
--
Cheers
Kaye Payne
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2005" auto updated.
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
--
Cheers
Kaye Payne
(Still using ' takes forever - dial up internet '.)
All incoming and outgoing emails are checked by "VET Anti-Virus Protection
2005" auto updated.
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Joe Makowiec
Re: Spouse's children
On 05 Jan 2006 in soc.genealogy.computing, Kaye Payne wrote:
I'm not familiar with the packages you cite. However, in The Master
Genealogist (TMG, http://whollygenes.com/), the descendants shown depend
on the person selected. So in this case, you would select the mother as
the focus of the report; the descendancy charts and reports would list
all her husbands and her descendants with each of them.
--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian
genealogy software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them
how I can include in a descendant tree the children born to a mother
before her marriage to my relative. Maybe I am missing something but
have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much
fun for the new members of the family if they cannot be on the
chart. Although they are not her descendants they are special to
her.
I'm not familiar with the packages you cite. However, in The Master
Genealogist (TMG, http://whollygenes.com/), the descendants shown depend
on the person selected. So in this case, you would select the mother as
the focus of the report; the descendancy charts and reports would list
all her husbands and her descendants with each of them.
--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi Joe,
Yes that is right but I want to start up the tree a bit to the husband's
grandmother.
Thanks for the help
Kaye Payne
Yes that is right but I want to start up the tree a bit to the husband's
grandmother.
Thanks for the help
Kaye Payne
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Gjest
Re: Spouse's children
Hello Kaye , does this mother have a husband ? , Using BK any children
would be listed under him , not her , Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com>
To: <GENCMP-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Spouse's children
would be listed under him , not her , Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com>
To: <GENCMP-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:29 PM
Subject: Spouse's children
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include
in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no
luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although
they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
--
Cheers
Kaye Payne
(Still using ' takes forever - dial up internet '.)
All incoming and outgoing emails are checked by "VET Anti-Virus Protection
2005" auto updated.
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Shelley
Re: Spouse's children
Hi Kaye,
I don't know about the programs you have, but GenBox will definately do it.
The easiest way for your example would be to create a descendant chart that
starts from both your grandmother, and the other mother. Genbox has a 30 day
fully functional free trial (before going into read-only mode) so plenty of
time for you to put the chart together if you just want it the once.
Shelley
I don't know about the programs you have, but GenBox will definately do it.
The easiest way for your example would be to create a descendant chart that
starts from both your grandmother, and the other mother. Genbox has a 30 day
fully functional free trial (before going into read-only mode) so plenty of
time for you to put the chart together if you just want it the once.
Shelley
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the_verminator@comcast.ne
Re: Spouse's children
Kaye Payne wrote:
Since the child is not related by blood to the husband you can not
start "up the tree" of the husband- it won't work.
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The Verminator
Hi Joe,
Yes that is right but I want to start up the tree a bit to the husband's
grandmother.
Thanks for the help
Kaye Payne
Since the child is not related by blood to the husband you can not
start "up the tree" of the husband- it won't work.
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The Verminator
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Denis Beauregard
Re: Spouse's children
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:29:12 GMT, "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com>
wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:
If you use so many softwares, you probably want the possibility of
exchanging data between them. In that case, because of the GEDCOM
structure, you have no choice but to create a dummy husband. Anyway,
that child has a father even if he is unknown !
Denis
wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
If you use so many softwares, you probably want the possibility of
exchanging data between them. In that case, because of the GEDCOM
structure, you have no choice but to create a dummy husband. Anyway,
that child has a father even if he is unknown !
Denis
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi Denis,
It seems stupid to have so many programs and you are right I use gedcom each
time I want to update one of them from my master. I just tried someone's
idea of putting the children's name as an event and then ticked to show that
event. Although the children were not listed as I wanted they were still
listed under the mother's name - not too bad I guess. You would think with
all the different families these days that this would be possible even if
not correct.
Even by putting in a dummy husband the names still would not show as a
descendant of the grandmother, which of course they are not.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
Each of my programs has a report printout which I cannot do without so I
just keep using gedcom and make sure I keep my master up to date and saved
every day.
Kaye Payne
It seems stupid to have so many programs and you are right I use gedcom each
time I want to update one of them from my master. I just tried someone's
idea of putting the children's name as an event and then ticked to show that
event. Although the children were not listed as I wanted they were still
listed under the mother's name - not too bad I guess. You would think with
all the different families these days that this would be possible even if
not correct.
Even by putting in a dummy husband the names still would not show as a
descendant of the grandmother, which of course they are not.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
Each of my programs has a report printout which I cannot do without so I
just keep using gedcom and make sure I keep my master up to date and saved
every day.
Kaye Payne
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Lesley Robertson
Re: Spouse's children
"Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:YBkvf.193983$V7.7869@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
her - if you don't know the name of the father of the first children, then
call him something like Yy Nn or Yy [children's surname]. If you don't know
the date of the first marriage, give an estimate to force FTM to place the
relationships in the correct order. Add all the children to this
realtionship.
Lesley Robertson
news:YBkvf.193983$V7.7869@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include
in a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to
my relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no
luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
In FTM, call up the lady in question and create another relationship for
her - if you don't know the name of the father of the first children, then
call him something like Yy Nn or Yy [children's surname]. If you don't know
the date of the first marriage, give an estimate to force FTM to place the
relationships in the correct order. Add all the children to this
realtionship.
Lesley Robertson
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Robert G. Eldridge
Re: Spouse's children
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:29:12 GMT, "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com>
wrote:
You're trying to create a descendant tree showing children who are not
descendants of the person you want the report to start from.
It's therefore no wonder that none of the programs show what you want
as if they did they wouldn't be creating a descendant tree.
An hourglass type chart with the mother with two lots of children as
the central person will show both lots of children but it will only
show her ancestors and not her husbands, unless you manually add them.
--
Bob
wrote:
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
You're trying to create a descendant tree showing children who are not
descendants of the person you want the report to start from.
It's therefore no wonder that none of the programs show what you want
as if they did they wouldn't be creating a descendant tree.
An hourglass type chart with the mother with two lots of children as
the central person will show both lots of children but it will only
show her ancestors and not her husbands, unless you manually add them.
--
Bob
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Paul Blair
Re: Spouse's children
It raises some interesting questions about adoption.
If the lady in a pending marriage already has a child/children, the new
husband can offer to adopt them (assuming that the way is clear to do so.)
If a gentleman in a pending marriage already has a child/children, the
new wife may have no option but to accept them.
Seems a bit uneven?
For FTM, I simply add the child to the other children, but with the
mother's surname. After all, it is/was the name he/she was born with,
and that's how today's software records them. Others in the tribe get
their father's name. Not really honest, but the different parentage is
quite visible, just not shown.
Paul
Robert G. Eldridge wrote:
If the lady in a pending marriage already has a child/children, the new
husband can offer to adopt them (assuming that the way is clear to do so.)
If a gentleman in a pending marriage already has a child/children, the
new wife may have no option but to accept them.
Seems a bit uneven?
For FTM, I simply add the child to the other children, but with the
mother's surname. After all, it is/was the name he/she was born with,
and that's how today's software records them. Others in the tribe get
their father's name. Not really honest, but the different parentage is
quite visible, just not shown.
Paul
Robert G. Eldridge wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:29:12 GMT, "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com
wrote:
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
You're trying to create a descendant tree showing children who are not
descendants of the person you want the report to start from.
It's therefore no wonder that none of the programs show what you want
as if they did they wouldn't be creating a descendant tree.
An hourglass type chart with the mother with two lots of children as
the central person will show both lots of children but it will only
show her ancestors and not her husbands, unless you manually add them.
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi All,
Thanks Paul I know that what I want is not correct and as "the verminator"
said I am trying to make something that is impossible. I ended listing the
other children as an event filling their names in there and then ticked to
include that event. Although the children do not show up one under the other
as I would have liked they do show on the chart as children of the mother.
Thank you all.
I have printed the chart ands sent it off.
Your suggestion Lesley is interesting and I will try it over the weekend.
Kaye Payne
Thanks Paul I know that what I want is not correct and as "the verminator"
said I am trying to make something that is impossible. I ended listing the
other children as an event filling their names in there and then ticked to
include that event. Although the children do not show up one under the other
as I would have liked they do show on the chart as children of the mother.
Thank you all.
I have printed the chart ands sent it off.
Your suggestion Lesley is interesting and I will try it over the weekend.
Kaye Payne
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Spouse's children
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 00:34:51 -0500, Denis Beauregard
<no@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
To me this is the crux of the matter.. Denis, et al. Genealogy is
about blood lines; Family History is about... well, family history.
Recently many people have deliberately blurred the lines of separation
because it's "love" not "blood" that counts.
As heart-warming as that may be, it is also misleading especially if
later generations want to track medical conditions for obvious
reasons.
Adopted children are usually told that they were chosen while parents
of natural borns had to take whatever they got. Psychologically that's
great, but it's not genealogy.
My point is not to take sides, it's to say the we need to distinguish
family history as such to prevent misleading future generations. Of
course "purists" have a problem in that they don't always know the
accurate lineage and generally accept what they find as genealogy.
If Kaye makes the distinction she will have her answer, although it
may not be what she wanted.
Hugh
<no@nospam.com.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:29:12 GMT, "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com
wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
If you use so many softwares, you probably want the possibility of
exchanging data between them. In that case, because of the GEDCOM
structure, you have no choice but to create a dummy husband. Anyway,
that child has a father even if he is unknown !
Denis
To me this is the crux of the matter.. Denis, et al. Genealogy is
about blood lines; Family History is about... well, family history.
Recently many people have deliberately blurred the lines of separation
because it's "love" not "blood" that counts.
As heart-warming as that may be, it is also misleading especially if
later generations want to track medical conditions for obvious
reasons.
Adopted children are usually told that they were chosen while parents
of natural borns had to take whatever they got. Psychologically that's
great, but it's not genealogy.
My point is not to take sides, it's to say the we need to distinguish
family history as such to prevent misleading future generations. Of
course "purists" have a problem in that they don't always know the
accurate lineage and generally accept what they find as genealogy.
If Kaye makes the distinction she will have her answer, although it
may not be what she wanted.
Hugh
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singhals
Re: Spouse's children
Kaye Payne wrote:
PAF allows you to enter her children as stepchildren, and then to select
the option to print step children in any reports. Might try that.
I've got a number of children entered that way, with a note in their
individual narrative that they are biological children of Q and Y just
to keep the record straight.
Cheryl
Hi Denis,
It seems stupid to have so many programs and you are right I use gedcom each
time I want to update one of them from my master. I just tried someone's
idea of putting the children's name as an event and then ticked to show that
event. Although the children were not listed as I wanted they were still
listed under the mother's name - not too bad I guess. You would think with
all the different families these days that this would be possible even if
not correct.
Even by putting in a dummy husband the names still would not show as a
descendant of the grandmother, which of course they are not.
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
Each of my programs has a report printout which I cannot do without so I
just keep using gedcom and make sure I keep my master up to date and saved
every day.
Kaye Payne
PAF allows you to enter her children as stepchildren, and then to select
the option to print step children in any reports. Might try that.
I've got a number of children entered that way, with a note in their
individual narrative that they are biological children of Q and Y just
to keep the record straight.
Cheryl
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Dave
Re: Spouse's children
I use PAF (not any of the ones listed) but this is how I do it. There are
some stepchildren that need to be explained as now members of families.
I first add everyone as the biological child of their parents. The wife
would have a previous marriage where the children in question have there
biological links. I then add them to the to the family I'm actually
tracking. The default links to this second family as an adopted child but I
change that to GUARDIAN. Not the best solution but it's not hard to see how
they fit in. If there's further confusion I'll explain situation in notes.
Every family has that cousin or aunt who are at all the family gatherings
but are actually stepfamily.
Dave
"Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:YBkvf.193983$V7.7869@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
some stepchildren that need to be explained as now members of families.
I first add everyone as the biological child of their parents. The wife
would have a previous marriage where the children in question have there
biological links. I then add them to the to the family I'm actually
tracking. The default links to this second family as an adopted child but I
change that to GUARDIAN. Not the best solution but it's not hard to see how
they fit in. If there's further confusion I'll explain situation in notes.
Every family has that cousin or aunt who are at all the family gatherings
but are actually stepfamily.
Dave
"Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:YBkvf.193983$V7.7869@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include
in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no
luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although
they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
--
Cheers
Kaye Payne
(Still using ' takes forever - dial up internet '.)
All incoming and outgoing emails are checked by "VET Anti-Virus Protection
2005" auto updated.
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi Hugh,
Yes I agree with you 100% but just for this little exercise I wanted to make
a grandmother happy and it worked with a little bit of help from my friends
on this newsgroup. It is interesting to hear all the ideas.
No doubt I will have another problem in the future and I will be writing in.
KP
Yes I agree with you 100% but just for this little exercise I wanted to make
a grandmother happy and it worked with a little bit of help from my friends
on this newsgroup. It is interesting to hear all the ideas.
No doubt I will have another problem in the future and I will be writing in.
KP
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi Cheryl,
Sounds like just what I want but another program would just be too much I
think. Each of the ones I have I cannot do without to present a gift to each
new baby in the family for a keepsake.
But......... I will have a look - you never know I might fit another program
on this computer as long as it accepts gedcom.
Kaye Payne
Sounds like just what I want but another program would just be too much I
think. Each of the ones I have I cannot do without to present a gift to each
new baby in the family for a keepsake.
But......... I will have a look - you never know I might fit another program
on this computer as long as it accepts gedcom.
Kaye Payne
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Spouse's children
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:50:46 GMT, "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com>
wrote:
There is a bit of family historian in most of us.
This is a good forum.
Hugh
wrote:
Hi Hugh,
Yes I agree with you 100% but just for this little exercise I wanted to make
a grandmother happy and it worked with a little bit of help from my friends
on this newsgroup. It is interesting to hear all the ideas.
No doubt I will have another problem in the future and I will be writing in.
KP
There is a bit of family historian in most of us.
This is a good forum.
Hugh
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singhals
Re: Spouse's children
Kaye Payne wrote:
First, look into Legacy, which you have, and FTM which you have. See if
similar options exist in those.
Cheryl
Hi Cheryl,
Sounds like just what I want but another program would just be too much I
think. Each of the ones I have I cannot do without to present a gift to each
new baby in the family for a keepsake.
But......... I will have a look - you never know I might fit another program
on this computer as long as it accepts gedcom.
Kaye Payne
First, look into Legacy, which you have, and FTM which you have. See if
similar options exist in those.
Cheryl
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Gene
Re: Spouse's children
Kaye Payne wrote:
print all marriages and all children. I just tried it and it works for me.
Gene
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
I use Legacy, V. 5 Deluxe. If you print a descendant Chart it should
print all marriages and all children. I just tried it and it works for me.
Gene
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John Carruthers
Re: Spouse's children
What you want can be done rather easily with Family Tree Maker.
I married a lady with two children from a previous marriage. Her two
children are entered as the Natural children of my wife and her previous
husband.
I then entered the two children again as children of our marriage. But I set
the parentage for the father (me) as Step.
These step-children of mine will show as "descendants" of my father,
grandfather, etc as long as I am careful not to tick "Exclude this
relationship from trees and kinship reports" when setting the parentage.
This keeps my wife and my two step-children happy in that they are now "part
of the family".
John Carruthers
Victoria BC
"Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:YBkvf.193983$V7.7869@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I married a lady with two children from a previous marriage. Her two
children are entered as the Natural children of my wife and her previous
husband.
I then entered the two children again as children of our marriage. But I set
the parentage for the father (me) as Step.
These step-children of mine will show as "descendants" of my father,
grandfather, etc as long as I am careful not to tick "Exclude this
relationship from trees and kinship reports" when setting the parentage.
This keeps my wife and my two step-children happy in that they are now "part
of the family".
John Carruthers
Victoria BC
"Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:YBkvf.193983$V7.7869@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include
in a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to
my relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no
luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although
they are not her descendants they are special to her.
--
Cheers
Kaye Payne
(Still using ' takes forever - dial up internet '.)
All incoming and outgoing emails are checked by "VET Anti-Virus Protection
2005" auto updated.
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Kaye Payne
Spouse's children
Hi John,,
Well that sounds just like what I am trying to do so will give it a try. We
must be family historians and not strictly genealogists!!! But it all looks
better to me when everyone is listed and everyone is happy.
KP
Well that sounds just like what I am trying to do so will give it a try. We
must be family historians and not strictly genealogists!!! But it all looks
better to me when everyone is listed and everyone is happy.
KP
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi Gene,
I cannot get it to work in the outline descendants which is the one my older
relations seem to understand better. Thanks for the suggestion.
KP
I cannot get it to work in the outline descendants which is the one my older
relations seem to understand better. Thanks for the suggestion.
KP
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BE Kelly
Re: Spouse's children
Kaye Payne wrote:
step-children then you should be able to include them in the report.
BE Kelly
Hi All,
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
In Legacy if you connect the children to the relative as
step-children then you should be able to include them in the report.
BE Kelly
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Gjest
Re: Spouse's children
I had the same question in Ancestral Quest.
Though my families have one other quirk.
While I might be able to solve one of the issues with the stepchild
link, what do I do when someone is just raised by someone else and is
not a step child per se.
IE
Ralph dies and his son Joe is taken in and raised by his brother Jim.
The "book" is based on Jim's wife's upline thus Joe is really not "her
son". While everyone considered Joe their son, he really wasn't. But
we can't leave him out of the book whereas otherwise he would be.
Again the Historical vs. the Genealogical perspective.
Though my families have one other quirk.
While I might be able to solve one of the issues with the stepchild
link, what do I do when someone is just raised by someone else and is
not a step child per se.
IE
Ralph dies and his son Joe is taken in and raised by his brother Jim.
The "book" is based on Jim's wife's upline thus Joe is really not "her
son". While everyone considered Joe their son, he really wasn't. But
we can't leave him out of the book whereas otherwise he would be.
Again the Historical vs. the Genealogical perspective.
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Spouse's children
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 00:55:28 GMT, fakeemail@fakeprovider.com wrote:
Looking at the genealogical perspective for a moment, I wonder how
many times the incident you described above happened prior to 1900
with no record of the facts. This was more typical than we like to
admit. Many genealogy "purists" might be surprised when DNA tests are
available for almost everyone.
Hugh
I had the same question in Ancestral Quest.
Though my families have one other quirk.
While I might be able to solve one of the issues with the stepchild
link, what do I do when someone is just raised by someone else and is
not a step child per se.
IE
Ralph dies and his son Joe is taken in and raised by his brother Jim.
The "book" is based on Jim's wife's upline thus Joe is really not "her
son". While everyone considered Joe their son, he really wasn't. But
we can't leave him out of the book whereas otherwise he would be.
Again the Historical vs. the Genealogical perspective.
Looking at the genealogical perspective for a moment, I wonder how
many times the incident you described above happened prior to 1900
with no record of the facts. This was more typical than we like to
admit. Many genealogy "purists" might be surprised when DNA tests are
available for almost everyone.
Hugh
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D. Stussy
Re: Spouse's children
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006, Kaye Payne wrote:
In BK 6.0, a person can have TWO sets of parents. Usually, one sets the
primary set to the genetic/birth parents, while the other set, when used, is
the adoptive parents. If you want them to show up, I think you need to assign
this second setting.
However, as these children are not genetically descendant from the grandmother,
why should they be included in listing of her descendants? I assume that the
current husband, not the mother is a descendant of the grandmother in question.
I use FTM, Brothers Keeper, Legacy, Heredis and Family Historian genealogy
software (all paid for) but I cannot see on any of them how I can include in
a descendant tree the children born to a mother before her marriage to my
relative. Maybe I am missing something but have tried them all with no luck.
Has anyone any ideas that may help?
I would like to send the printout to the Grandmother but not much fun for
the new members of the family if they cannot be on the chart. Although they
are not her descendants they are special to her.
In BK 6.0, a person can have TWO sets of parents. Usually, one sets the
primary set to the genetic/birth parents, while the other set, when used, is
the adoptive parents. If you want them to show up, I think you need to assign
this second setting.
However, as these children are not genetically descendant from the grandmother,
why should they be included in listing of her descendants? I assume that the
current husband, not the mother is a descendant of the grandmother in question.
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D. Stussy
Re: Spouse's children
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, John Carruthers wrote:
I don't like that approach because you have the children in your database
twice. Not good for when they need updating. Genealogies are not static
unless everyone is dead.
> These step-children of mine will show as "descendants" of my father, ....
What you want can be done rather easily with Family Tree Maker.
I married a lady with two children from a previous marriage. Her two
children are entered as the Natural children of my wife and her previous
husband.
I then entered the two children again as children of our marriage. But I set
the parentage for the father (me) as Step.
I don't like that approach because you have the children in your database
twice. Not good for when they need updating. Genealogies are not static
unless everyone is dead.
> These step-children of mine will show as "descendants" of my father, ....
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singhals
Re: Spouse's children
fakeemail@fakeprovider.com wrote:
No, the problem isn't historical vs genealogical, the problem is fact vs
report.
So in the case of Little Joe, if AQ allows Foster Child as a
relationship and if AQ will allow you to PRINT foster-child in the
reports, use it. If it doesn't, lie and say he's adopted but make
pointed and copious notes to print with him.
Cheryl
I had the same question in Ancestral Quest.
Though my families have one other quirk.
While I might be able to solve one of the issues with the stepchild
link, what do I do when someone is just raised by someone else and is
not a step child per se.
IE
Ralph dies and his son Joe is taken in and raised by his brother Jim.
The "book" is based on Jim's wife's upline thus Joe is really not "her
son". While everyone considered Joe their son, he really wasn't. But
we can't leave him out of the book whereas otherwise he would be.
Again the Historical vs. the Genealogical perspective.
No, the problem isn't historical vs genealogical, the problem is fact vs
report.
So in the case of Little Joe, if AQ allows Foster Child as a
relationship and if AQ will allow you to PRINT foster-child in the
reports, use it. If it doesn't, lie and say he's adopted but make
pointed and copious notes to print with him.
Cheryl
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the_verminator@comcast.ne
Re: Spouse's children
singhals wrote:
Stated another way it is the problem of Family vs. family - a very
subtle but VERY distinct difference.
--
The Verminator
fakeemail@fakeprovider.com wrote:
I had the same question in Ancestral Quest.
Though my families have one other quirk.
While I might be able to solve one of the issues with the stepchild
link, what do I do when someone is just raised by someone else and is
not a step child per se.
IE
Ralph dies and his son Joe is taken in and raised by his brother Jim.
The "book" is based on Jim's wife's upline thus Joe is really not "her
son". While everyone considered Joe their son, he really wasn't. But
we can't leave him out of the book whereas otherwise he would be.
Again the Historical vs. the Genealogical perspective.
No, the problem isn't historical vs genealogical, the problem is fact vs
report.
So in the case of Little Joe, if AQ allows Foster Child as a
relationship and if AQ will allow you to PRINT foster-child in the
reports, use it. If it doesn't, lie and say he's adopted but make
pointed and copious notes to print with him.
Cheryl
Stated another way it is the problem of Family vs. family - a very
subtle but VERY distinct difference.
--
The Verminator
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Spouse's children
On 9 Jan 2006 08:39:50 -0800, "the_verminator@comcast.net"
<the_verminator@comcast.net> wrote:
Stated another way it is blood vs. how you wish it was - a not so
subtle difference.
In any event you don't lie to future generations; you explain any
known deviation by sufficient notations. One is honest or he is not.
Hugh
<the_verminator@comcast.net> wrote:
singhals wrote:
fakeemail@fakeprovider.com wrote:
I had the same question in Ancestral Quest.
Though my families have one other quirk.
While I might be able to solve one of the issues with the stepchild
link, what do I do when someone is just raised by someone else and is
not a step child per se.
IE
Ralph dies and his son Joe is taken in and raised by his brother Jim.
The "book" is based on Jim's wife's upline thus Joe is really not "her
son". While everyone considered Joe their son, he really wasn't. But
we can't leave him out of the book whereas otherwise he would be.
Again the Historical vs. the Genealogical perspective.
No, the problem isn't historical vs genealogical, the problem is fact vs
report.
So in the case of Little Joe, if AQ allows Foster Child as a
relationship and if AQ will allow you to PRINT foster-child in the
reports, use it. If it doesn't, lie and say he's adopted but make
pointed and copious notes to print with him.
Cheryl
Stated another way it is the problem of Family vs. family - a very
subtle but VERY distinct difference.
--
The Verminator
Stated another way it is blood vs. how you wish it was - a not so
subtle difference.
In any event you don't lie to future generations; you explain any
known deviation by sufficient notations. One is honest or he is not.
Hugh
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi,
Yes that is correct they are not descendants but I wanted the printout to be
politically correct or rather to make the new person's children feel special
for just this printout.
KP
It did work by just entering them as an event and tick to include that event
in the mothers preferences. The first children showed up just under her name
and then the natural child was listed.
I have BK but I am not so sure about the descendant outline report but will
give it a look. I use BK for the wonderful A4 report where you can list
generations across just one A4 page and show the kids their cousins etc very
easily. For anyone who is not really interested in genealogy this report
creates the most interest.
Yes that is correct they are not descendants but I wanted the printout to be
politically correct or rather to make the new person's children feel special
for just this printout.
KP
It did work by just entering them as an event and tick to include that event
in the mothers preferences. The first children showed up just under her name
and then the natural child was listed.
I have BK but I am not so sure about the descendant outline report but will
give it a look. I use BK for the wonderful A4 report where you can list
generations across just one A4 page and show the kids their cousins etc very
easily. For anyone who is not really interested in genealogy this report
creates the most interest.
-
Autumn
Re: Spouse's children
Can't you print to a file in one of those programs and edit/type the
children in manually? I have done this in the past when there were things I
wanted to add that were not there.
Jann
children in manually? I have done this in the past when there were things I
wanted to add that were not there.
Jann
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J. Hugh Sullivan
Re: Spouse's children
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 23:17:11 GMT, "Kaye Payne" <kayepayne@bigpond.com>
wrote:
I don't mean for this to be unkind but the children must be very young
for such an act to make them feel special. That's really a question...
Hugh
wrote:
Hi,
Yes that is correct they are not descendants but I wanted the printout to be
politically correct or rather to make the new person's children feel special
for just this printout.
KP
I don't mean for this to be unkind but the children must be very young
for such an act to make them feel special. That's really a question...
Hugh
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Kaye Payne
Re: Spouse's children
Hi Hugh,
Yes they are youngish. Anyway all is done thanks to some help from friends
on this newsgroup and everyone is happy and I am on with another project but
it has been interesting hearing all the different views. That's is all from
me regarding this topic.
Kaye Payne
Yes they are youngish. Anyway all is done thanks to some help from friends
on this newsgroup and everyone is happy and I am on with another project but
it has been interesting hearing all the different views. That's is all from
me regarding this topic.
Kaye Payne