Hans Christian Gundersen
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Hans Christian Gundersen
Jeg søker opplysninger om Hans Christian Gundersen f. 11. mai 1862 på Idd utenfor Halden. Han flyttet til Berg og fikk en sønn med Helene Marie Andersdatter, bosatt på Ingedal i Skjeberg. De giftet seg ikke, og Hans Christian Gundersen dro til USA. Har kommet over en adresse fra Butte Depot i Montana. Dessuten er det mulig at han dro over til sin bror Peder Gundersen f. 1853.
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Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
Hei!
Når ble barnet født? Og - har du lett i emigrantprotokollene på Digitalarkivet etter ham?
Når ble barnet født? Og - har du lett i emigrantprotokollene på Digitalarkivet etter ham?
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Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
Hei
På digitalarkivets base "Emigranter fra Oslo 1867-1930" kan jeg finne at Hans Kristian Gundersen, yrke: maler, alder: 41, sivilstand: gift, bosted: Moss, bestemmelsessted: Wisconsin utvandret 30.april 1903. Kan ikke se at han reiste sammen med kone, hun kom kanskje over senere.
Mvh Tove D. Johansen
På digitalarkivets base "Emigranter fra Oslo 1867-1930" kan jeg finne at Hans Kristian Gundersen, yrke: maler, alder: 41, sivilstand: gift, bosted: Moss, bestemmelsessted: Wisconsin utvandret 30.april 1903. Kan ikke se at han reiste sammen med kone, hun kom kanskje over senere.
Mvh Tove D. Johansen
Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
OBS - Når jeg sjekker denne Hans Kristian Gundersen f. 1862 på folketellingen 1900 for Moss, så viser det seg at han er født i Røyken og født 30/4-1862. Så det må være feil mann.
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Gjør ikke noe mer med denne saken før Jan Erik kommer tilbake med innspill.
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Hei og takk for all hjelp.
Barnet ble født 9. februar 1885 og døpt i Ingedal kirke i Skjeberg. Moren het Helene Marie Andersdatter og hun var født 13. mars 1865 i Rakkestad.
Jeg har lett i emigrantprotokollene, men har kun funnet Hans Kristian Gundersen fra Moss. Det er som nevnt feil mann.
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Barnet ble født 9. februar 1885 og døpt i Ingedal kirke i Skjeberg. Moren het Helene Marie Andersdatter og hun var født 13. mars 1865 i Rakkestad.
Jeg har lett i emigrantprotokollene, men har kun funnet Hans Kristian Gundersen fra Moss. Det er som nevnt feil mann.
mvh
jes
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Den adressen du har funnet, vet du når den var aktuell?
Og broren, hvor bodde han?
Og broren, hvor bodde han?
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Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
Jeg tror jeg fant Peter Gunderson med familie i Flathead, Kalispell, Montana, med kone Martha, datter Florence og sønn Gilbert. Censusen er så dårlig at det er ingen vits i å legge den her. Dette gjelder census 1920
Det eldste barnet er 12 år, og født i Minnesota. Det vil altså si at Peter bodde i Minnesota før 1910.
Name: Peter Gunderson
Age: 67 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1920: Kalispell Ward 1, Flathead, Montana
Home owned: Own
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1865
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Father's Birth Place: Norway
er de opplysningene som står om Peter. Tror du dette stemmer?
Det eldste barnet er 12 år, og født i Minnesota. Det vil altså si at Peter bodde i Minnesota før 1910.
Name: Peter Gunderson
Age: 67 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1920: Kalispell Ward 1, Flathead, Montana
Home owned: Own
Sex: Male
Marital status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1865
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Father's Birth Place: Norway
er de opplysningene som står om Peter. Tror du dette stemmer?
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Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
Jeg fant en Hans Gundersen i Butte ... men han juger både på alder (oppgir 1866 som fødselsår) og immigrasjonsår (oppgir 1880, burde vært tidligst midten av 1884).
Denne sier han er skilt.
Name: Hans Gunderson
Age: 54 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1920: Butte Ward 7A, Silver Bow, Montana
Home owned: Rent
Sex: Male
Marital status: Divorced
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1880
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Denne sier han er skilt.
Name: Hans Gunderson
Age: 54 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Home in 1920: Butte Ward 7A, Silver Bow, Montana
Home owned: Rent
Sex: Male
Marital status: Divorced
Relation to Head of House: Head
Year of immigration: 1880
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Father's Birth Place: Norway
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Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
Til spørsmål 1 - det er ikke mulig å tidsfeste adressen, ettersom den er skrevet på en hvit lapp uten noen andre holdepunkter.
Til spørsmål 2 - det er årstall (1853) og sted (Kalispell) som kan stemme. Kalispell ligger ikke langt fra Butte. Derimot stusser jeg over at Peter Gunderson emigrerte til USA i 1865. Det vil si cirka 12 år gammel. Da burde han ha dratt sammen med foreldrene og søsken.
Hans Christian (min oldefar) var da tre år gammel.
Det kan være mulig at han ble igjen. Hans sønn (min farfar) vokste nemlig opp på gården Sørle i Berg uten gifte foreldre. Derav navnet Sørlie. Mye tyder på at gårdeieren (Jens Johnsen) tok seg av pleie- og fosterbarn.
Moren Helene Marie giftet seg Lindberg og fikk en datter i 1893. Familien er i folketellingen 1900 bosatt i Aurland i Sogn og Fjordane.
Hans Christian Gundersens foreldre het Gunne Pedersen (f 1829) i Rokke og Anne Kristine Olsdatter (f. 1830) i Aremark.
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Til spørsmål 2 - det er årstall (1853) og sted (Kalispell) som kan stemme. Kalispell ligger ikke langt fra Butte. Derimot stusser jeg over at Peter Gunderson emigrerte til USA i 1865. Det vil si cirka 12 år gammel. Da burde han ha dratt sammen med foreldrene og søsken.
Hans Christian (min oldefar) var da tre år gammel.
Det kan være mulig at han ble igjen. Hans sønn (min farfar) vokste nemlig opp på gården Sørle i Berg uten gifte foreldre. Derav navnet Sørlie. Mye tyder på at gårdeieren (Jens Johnsen) tok seg av pleie- og fosterbarn.
Moren Helene Marie giftet seg Lindberg og fikk en datter i 1893. Familien er i folketellingen 1900 bosatt i Aurland i Sogn og Fjordane.
Hans Christian Gundersens foreldre het Gunne Pedersen (f 1829) i Rokke og Anne Kristine Olsdatter (f. 1830) i Aremark.
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Hva er f.datoen til Peder?
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Montana Death Index, 1907-2002 Recordinfo
about Hans Gunderson
Name: Hans Gunderson
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Gender: Male
Death Date: 11 Jun 1944
Death County: Missoula
Index Number: MslaC 6948
Source: Montana Office of Vital Statistics
Description:
This database is an index to death records for the state of Montana from 1907 to 2002. It also includes a few pre-1900 records and some from 1900 to 1907. Information contained in this index includes:
* Deceased's name
* Gender
* Age at time of death
* Death date
* Death place
* Index/File number
* Father's name
* Mother's name
* Martial Status
* Source (Which agency that portion of the index was obtained from. See below for full source citations)
Occasionally there will also be other comments. The index number refers to the death record number assigned by the Montana State Vital Statistics. This number is needed in order to obtain a copy of a death certificate from the office of Vital Statistics. All of the above listed items will not be available for each individual.
With the information provided in this index you may be able to obtain a death certificate. Death certificates can be very valuable because of the amount of information they provide (see extended description). Applications for copies of death certificates should be sent to the Office of Vital Statistics at the following address:
Office of Vital Statistics
Department of Public Health and Human Services
111 N Sanders Rm 209
PO Box 4210
Helena MT 59604
Extended Description:
Vital Records in Montana:
Prior to 1895 there were no legal requirements for keeping birth records in Montana. In 1895 the legislative assembly passed a law requiring physicians and midwives to keep a register of all births. All pre-1907 birth records are filed with county clerk in the county where the child was born. Montana began recording births and deaths on the state level in 1907. It was not until about 1915 that mandatory registration of births became more complete. By 1922 about 90 percent of the births were being registered.
The 1895 law governing births also pertained to deaths. At that time the registration of deaths was the responsibility of clergymen, coroners, physicians, sextons, and undertakers. Registration of deaths on the state level began in 1907. By 1910 the registration of deaths reached about 90 percent. It was not until about 1915 that the registration of Montana deaths became reasonably complete.
Taken from Radford, Dwight A., "Montana," in Ancestry's Red Book, ed. Alice Eichholz (Salt Lake City: Ancestry, 1992).
Death Certifcates:
Modern (post-1910) death records, though comparatively recent, are steadily increasing in value. People are living longer, and death records often provide information about birth as well as death.
Modern death certificates have not been standardized throughout the United States; but, like birth certificates, most of them contain the same types of information. Most contemporary death certificates include the deceased's name, sex, race, date of death, age at the time of death, place of death, date of birth, place of birth, marital status, name of spouse, social security number, occupation, residence, father's name, mother's name, cause of death, and place of burial. Records from some states provide the birthplace of the deceased's parents. The social security number is not always included but when it is, it can be invaluable because other records (subject to right-of-privacy laws) may be accessible if you have the social security number.
As any experienced researcher knows, death records are only as accurate as the knowledge of the person who provided the information. Many informants are unaware of the names of parents or are unsure about dates and places of birth. Always try to find additional information about parents and dates and places of birth whenever possible.
Taken from Cerny, Johni, "Research in Birth, Death, and Cemetery Records." In The Source: A Guidebook of American Genealogy, ed. Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking (Salt Lake City: Ancestry, 1997).
Source Information:
Montana State Genealogical Society and Ancestry.com. Montana Death Index, 1907-2002 [database online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2005. Original data:
Montana. Montana State Death Registry Index, 1907-1953. Montana State Genealogical Society, Montana.
State of Montana. Montana Death Index, 1954-2002. State of Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services, Office of Vital Statistics, Helena, Montana.
Montana Death Index, 1907-2002 Recordinfo
about Hans Gunderson
Name: Hans Gunderson
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Gender: Male
Death Date: 11 Jun 1944
Death County: Missoula
Index Number: MslaC 6948
Source: Montana Office of Vital Statistics
Description:
This database is an index to death records for the state of Montana from 1907 to 2002. It also includes a few pre-1900 records and some from 1900 to 1907. Information contained in this index includes:
* Deceased's name
* Gender
* Age at time of death
* Death date
* Death place
* Index/File number
* Father's name
* Mother's name
* Martial Status
* Source (Which agency that portion of the index was obtained from. See below for full source citations)
Occasionally there will also be other comments. The index number refers to the death record number assigned by the Montana State Vital Statistics. This number is needed in order to obtain a copy of a death certificate from the office of Vital Statistics. All of the above listed items will not be available for each individual.
With the information provided in this index you may be able to obtain a death certificate. Death certificates can be very valuable because of the amount of information they provide (see extended description). Applications for copies of death certificates should be sent to the Office of Vital Statistics at the following address:
Office of Vital Statistics
Department of Public Health and Human Services
111 N Sanders Rm 209
PO Box 4210
Helena MT 59604
Extended Description:
Vital Records in Montana:
Prior to 1895 there were no legal requirements for keeping birth records in Montana. In 1895 the legislative assembly passed a law requiring physicians and midwives to keep a register of all births. All pre-1907 birth records are filed with county clerk in the county where the child was born. Montana began recording births and deaths on the state level in 1907. It was not until about 1915 that mandatory registration of births became more complete. By 1922 about 90 percent of the births were being registered.
The 1895 law governing births also pertained to deaths. At that time the registration of deaths was the responsibility of clergymen, coroners, physicians, sextons, and undertakers. Registration of deaths on the state level began in 1907. By 1910 the registration of deaths reached about 90 percent. It was not until about 1915 that the registration of Montana deaths became reasonably complete.
Taken from Radford, Dwight A., "Montana," in Ancestry's Red Book, ed. Alice Eichholz (Salt Lake City: Ancestry, 1992).
Death Certifcates:
Modern (post-1910) death records, though comparatively recent, are steadily increasing in value. People are living longer, and death records often provide information about birth as well as death.
Modern death certificates have not been standardized throughout the United States; but, like birth certificates, most of them contain the same types of information. Most contemporary death certificates include the deceased's name, sex, race, date of death, age at the time of death, place of death, date of birth, place of birth, marital status, name of spouse, social security number, occupation, residence, father's name, mother's name, cause of death, and place of burial. Records from some states provide the birthplace of the deceased's parents. The social security number is not always included but when it is, it can be invaluable because other records (subject to right-of-privacy laws) may be accessible if you have the social security number.
As any experienced researcher knows, death records are only as accurate as the knowledge of the person who provided the information. Many informants are unaware of the names of parents or are unsure about dates and places of birth. Always try to find additional information about parents and dates and places of birth whenever possible.
Taken from Cerny, Johni, "Research in Birth, Death, and Cemetery Records." In The Source: A Guidebook of American Genealogy, ed. Loretto Dennis Szucs and Sandra Hargreaves Luebking (Salt Lake City: Ancestry, 1997).
Source Information:
Montana State Genealogical Society and Ancestry.com. Montana Death Index, 1907-2002 [database online]. Provo, Utah: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2005. Original data:
Montana. Montana State Death Registry Index, 1907-1953. Montana State Genealogical Society, Montana.
State of Montana. Montana Death Index, 1954-2002. State of Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services, Office of Vital Statistics, Helena, Montana.
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Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
legger bare det som kan være av int. her - så får vi heller sortere senere
Butte, Silver Bow County, Montana, Directory, 1902
about Peter Gunderson
Given Name: Peter
Surname: Gunderson
Address: rooms 55 West Galena
Dette var jo interessant, mhp. Butte
Butte, Silver Bow County, Montana, Directory, 1902
about Peter Gunderson
Given Name: Peter
Surname: Gunderson
Address: rooms 55 West Galena
Dette var jo interessant, mhp. Butte
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Re: Hans Christian Gundersen
Helt klart interessant - tusen takk.
Vet dessverre ikke fødselsdatoen til Peder eller Peter, men det må sjekkes som mye annet i alle disse opplysningene.
mvh
jes
Vet dessverre ikke fødselsdatoen til Peder eller Peter, men det må sjekkes som mye annet i alle disse opplysningene.
mvh
jes