The future for Legacy?

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Paul Blair

The future for Legacy?

Legg inn av Paul Blair » 16 des 2005 06:30:50

It is probably time for the folk at Millennia to have a good long look
at their genealogy products, and think hard about where they might take
them, if they are to have a future.

I bought v4. When v5 came along, there seemed so little change that it
would have been daylight robbery to pay for so little. The same with v6.
The product has caught the Detroit Disease - a new model every year, but
when you look under the bonnet...you don't find anything really
different. And we know where Detroit is headed...

About a week before v6 was posted, a number of us were posted a user
name and password from a remailer, which proved ample to unlock the
standard program. I asked around my friends and acquaintances, and they
had either found out about the relatively simple protection on the
program, or had had the info passed along. I don't know what that cost
Millennia in sales, but this small town alone would have cost it more
than $6000. So they obviously need to protect their income, and not rely
on annual model changes of limited value to make a buck. If they make
the best product, they will get the best sales, and people will happily
part with their money. When people discuss Legacy, it always get
mentioned as "free"...not a happy association for a software house.

The present situation seems to me to reflect discontent by some -
perhaps the minority, but majority or minority, profit is profit.

Then they need to look at their product. I quite like it, even if it is
limited. Using MS Access is a one-size fits all solution, and with it
comes the best and worst of the product.

But Millennia aren't doing meaningful improvements - have a look at
Help/What's New in Legacy in v6, and all you will find is the difference
between standard and deluxe. So they really had nothing to tell us.

I did post my Christmas wish list a few days ago...and there are some
ideas there. As well, they need to look at their web page production
module, and redesign the output pages to match the accepted way that
people scan computer "pages".

They need some simple graphical flags to indicate "never married" (a
screen-only bar or symbol in the partners box would be simple to
design), and the same for no children.

A common complaint I hear about Legacy is the difficulty of showing
connections, hence 2 of my earlier Christmas list suggestions. Many
people find it difficult to visualise mildly complex family
relationships. All you usually need is a snippet - here is John, there
is Mary, and the connections are... All the free PHP programs can do it!

Some will agree, others disagree...but I offer this in the hope that a
reasonable product doesn't contiue losing its way.

Have a happy Christmas.

Paul Blair
Australia

J. Hugh Sullivan

Re: The future for Legacy?

Legg inn av J. Hugh Sullivan » 17 des 2005 03:16:45

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:30:50 +1100, Paul Blair <pblair@pcug.org.au>
wrote:

It is probably time for the folk at Millennia to have a good long look
at their genealogy products, and think hard about where they might take
them, if they are to have a future.

I bought v4. When v5 came along, there seemed so little change that it
would have been daylight robbery to pay for so little. The same with v6.
The product has caught the Detroit Disease - a new model every year, but
when you look under the bonnet...you don't find anything really
different. And we know where Detroit is headed...

[snip]

note: I'm using "you" generically - not directed at the poster.

I normally maintain two up-to date genealogy programs on my computer.
One is Legacy, the other is RootsMagic. Each does something better
than the pther FOR MY PURPOSES.

Since this is about Legacy let me say a few words. Legacy may update
every week or every month or every other month (whatever) between
version changes. The frequent updates are in response to user requests
or because of some complexity in programming that beta testers did not
catch. These updates cost nothing and I consider them a real plus for
Legacy.

The version updates, for current users, are $21.95. I spend that much
buying lottery tickets each week. That's pocket change - 6 cents a
day.

And, who is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy every new
version update. I liked V3, and V4, and V5 but I'll buy V6. If you
were forced I could understand the gripes on this news group.

For those who are unaware Legacy has a user group for discussions such
as these. If your clothes are too tight you don't gripe to the
butcher, you gripe to your tailor.

I could continue but that's enough rant for one night.

Disclaimer: I am not in the employ of Millennia and I have not been
asked to support them. I do because I've tried every genealogy program
I've heard about and decided that Legacy was one of the three best -
TMG is the third.

Hugh

Hugh Watkins

Re: The future

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 17 des 2005 07:32:48

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:30:50 +1100, Paul Blair <pblair@pcug.org.au
wrote:


It is probably time for the folk at Millennia to have a good long look
at their genealogy products, and think hard about where they might take
them, if they are to have a future.

I bought v4. When v5 came along, there seemed so little change that it
would have been daylight robbery to pay for so little. The same with v6.
The product has caught the Detroit Disease - a new model every year, but
when you look under the bonnet...you don't find anything really
different. And we know where Detroit is headed...


[snip]

note: I'm using "you" generically - not directed at the poster.

I normally maintain two up-to date genealogy programs on my computer.
One is Legacy, the other is RootsMagic. Each does something better
than the pther FOR MY PURPOSES.

Since this is about Legacy let me say a few words. Legacy may update
every week or every month or every other month (whatever) between
version changes. The frequent updates are in response to user requests
or because of some complexity in programming that beta testers did not
catch. These updates cost nothing and I consider them a real plus for
Legacy.

The version updates, for current users, are $21.95. I spend that much
buying lottery tickets each week. That's pocket change - 6 cents a
day.

And, who is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy every new
version update. I liked V3, and V4, and V5 but I'll buy V6. If you
were forced I could understand the gripes on this news group.

For those who are unaware Legacy has a user group for discussions such
as these. If your clothes are too tight you don't gripe to the
butcher, you gripe to your tailor.

I could continue but that's enough rant for one night.

Disclaimer: I am not in the employ of Millennia and I have not been
asked to support them. I do because I've tried every genealogy program
I've heard about and decided that Legacy was one of the three best -
TMG is the third.

Hugh

I update all my software if I can afford it
and by supporting the developers I get the invisible bug fixes

I have 6 or 7 versions of FTM now FTM 2006

the single CD for $29 is excellent value
(as a newbie I wasted moneyon boxed sets)


data entry is much easier and ther eis a good search,
and a find and change which most users nevr learn to use

I chose not to add images but if i wanted to make an illustrated book or
tree
I would make a special master file for that purpose

I remember when they addded save as pdf and today it is the master
format for print shops of the world

pirate software or pirate mp3 music hurts the creative people of our society

Silly things like the freebie msn messneger are incredibe today


Our community LAN runs at 100mbs and sending files between family
computers indifferent appartments is incredibly fast

USA seems to have the slowest network for now

In europe we are getting fibre laid in storm drains and along railroad
tracks and canals

In this community of 250 families we have our own 100mbs LAN serverwhich
also handles telephone and tv


Hugh W

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Tracing route to ancestry.com [66.43.22.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 87.72.8.2 COPENHAGEN DENMARL
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 82.211.247.17
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge2-1.core01a.frederiksberg.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.3
7]
4 2 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge1-2.core01a.dix.cxnet.dk [172.31.4.25]
5 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge1-1.core01a.ballerup.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.61]
6 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ge1-2.core01a.albertslund.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.57]

7 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 213.242.108.149
8 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ae-0-56.mpls2.Copenhagen1.Level3.net
[213.242.10
7.82]
9 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms as-1-0.bbr2.Frankfurt.Level3.net
[212.187.128.97 ]GERAMNY
10 141 ms 141 ms 141 ms ae-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net
[64.159.1.113] USA
11 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms so-0-0-0.mpls1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net
[209.247
..11.69]
12 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms ge-6-0.hsa1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net
[209.244.27
..98]
13 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms unknown.Level3.net [64.158.68.14]
14 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms unknown.Level3.net [64.158.69.14]
15 153 ms 153 ms 154 ms 71.4.83.18.ptr.us.xo.net [71.4.83.18]
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * *

Robert M. Riches Jr.

Re: IP routing troubles; [was Re: The future]

Legg inn av Robert M. Riches Jr. » 17 des 2005 22:54:49

On 2005-12-17, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:
Tracing route to ancestry.com [66.43.22.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 87.72.8.2 COPENHAGEN DENMARL
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 82.211.247.17
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge2-1.core01a.frederiksberg.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.3
7]
4 2 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge1-2.core01a.dix.cxnet.dk [172.31.4.25]
5 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge1-1.core01a.ballerup.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.61]
6 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ge1-2.core01a.albertslund.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.57]

7 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 213.242.108.149
8 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ae-0-56.mpls2.Copenhagen1.Level3.net
[213.242.10
7.82]
9 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms as-1-0.bbr2.Frankfurt.Level3.net
[212.187.128.97 ]GERAMNY
10 141 ms 141 ms 141 ms ae-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net
[64.159.1.113] USA
11 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms so-0-0-0.mpls1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net
[209.247
.11.69]
12 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms ge-6-0.hsa1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net
[209.244.27
.98]
13 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms unknown.Level3.net [64.158.68.14]
14 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms unknown.Level3.net [64.158.69.14]
15 153 ms 153 ms 154 ms 71.4.83.18.ptr.us.xo.net [71.4.83.18]
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * *

Are you saying you find you are unable to get through to
ancestry.com [66.43.22.50]? One possible root cause may be
the 71/8 address of the router at hop 15 and an obsolete
routing table (likely at hop 16). IP addresses 71/8 and
72/8 were activated in around August, 2004. There are some
routers out on the net that have not (_YET_!!!) been updated
to reflect that 71/8 and 72/8 are now valid address, so they
drop all packets from those addresses.

My home DSL IP address is in the 71/8 range, and I cannot
get through to qa.mandriva.com, because some router in Colt
France territory is not updated. I have tried several times
through Colt and Mandriva (formerly Mandrake) to get
somebody to fix it, but no success yet. :-(

--
Robert Riches
spamtrap42@verizon.net
(Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)

Charlene Charette

Re: The future

Legg inn av Charlene Charette » 18 des 2005 00:54:00

Hugh Watkins wrote:

I update all my software if I can afford it
and by supporting the developers I get the invisible bug fixes

I'm selective about what I'll update. Too many times I've updated
software only to find that a feature I use a lot is gone.

--Charlene


--
Euthanasia: Generally more proficient at math and science than
euthanamerica. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002


email perronnelle at earthlink . net

Hugh Watkins

Re: IP routing troubles; [was Re: The future]

Legg inn av Hugh Watkins » 18 des 2005 08:31:54

Robert M. Riches Jr. wrote:
On 2005-12-17, Hugh Watkins <hugh.watkins@gmail.com> wrote:

Tracing route to ancestry.com [66.43.22.50]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 87.72.8.2 COPENHAGEN DENMARL
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 82.211.247.17
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge2-1.core01a.frederiksberg.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.3
7]
4 2 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge1-2.core01a.dix.cxnet.dk [172.31.4.25]
5 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms ge1-1.core01a.ballerup.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.61]
6 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ge1-2.core01a.albertslund.cxnet.dk
[172.31.4.57]

7 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 213.242.108.149
8 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms ae-0-56.mpls2.Copenhagen1.Level3.net
[213.242.10
7.82]
9 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms as-1-0.bbr2.Frankfurt.Level3.net
[212.187.128.97 ]GERAMNY
10 141 ms 141 ms 141 ms ae-0-0.bbr1.Denver1.Level3.net
[64.159.1.113] USA
11 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms so-0-0-0.mpls1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net
[209.247
.11.69]
12 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms ge-6-0.hsa1.SaltLakeCity1.Level3.net
[209.244.27
.98]
13 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms unknown.Level3.net [64.158.68.14]
14 152 ms 152 ms 152 ms unknown.Level3.net [64.158.69.14]
15 153 ms 153 ms 154 ms 71.4.83.18.ptr.us.xo.net [71.4.83.18]
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * *


Are you saying you find you are unable to get through to
ancestry.com [66.43.22.50]? One possible root cause may be
the 71/8 address of the router at hop 15 and an obsolete
routing table (likely at hop 16). IP addresses 71/8 and
72/8 were activated in around August, 2004. There are some
routers out on the net that have not (_YET_!!!) been updated
to reflect that 71/8 and 72/8 are now valid address, so they
drop all packets from those addresses.

My home DSL IP address is in the 71/8 range, and I cannot
get through to qa.mandriva.com, because some router in Colt
France territory is not updated. I have tried several times
through Colt and Mandriva (formerly Mandrake) to get
somebody to fix it, but no success yet. :-(

thanks Robert


ancestry is OK but slow with images around 20seconds

my point is the US infrastructure appears to be 10 to 100 times slower
than the european :-(

I paid for a 2mb/s home dsl line in europe but cancelled
becasue the US servers could not work as fast

Hugh W

Ernie Wright

Re: IP routing troubles; [was Re: The future]

Legg inn av Ernie Wright » 18 des 2005 15:46:52

Hugh Watkins wrote:

my point is the US infrastructure appears to be 10 to 100 times slower
than the european :-(

I paid for a 2mb/s home dsl line in europe but cancelled
becasue the US servers could not work as fast

The bottleneck (and I would think this was fairly obvious) is likely to
be the transatlantic link, not the U.S. network.

- Ernie http://home.comcast.net/~erniew

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