flashdrive

[ken gompertz]

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

ken
[email protected]

[Helen Castle]

Ken,

12 months ago I purchased a Sandisk 512M flash/thumb drive in USA and
brought it to Australia. Wish I had bought 10 I would have made a
killing.....

I then went to use it in my mum's rather ancient machine which runs Windows
98 - I had to download the driver from the net and install it but it worked
fine otherwise

Hope this helps.
Helen Castle

""ken gompertz"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i
have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia
... thanks

ken
[email protected]

[Helen Castle]

PS I have seen Sandisk ones for sale downunder - the price now is much
better than 12 months ago

Helen
""ken gompertz"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i
have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia
... thanks

ken
[email protected]

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("ken
gompertz") wrote:

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

ken
[email protected]

I don't know what's for sale Down Under but I have 3 Memorex flash
drives and they work well. I have USB hubs in both KY and AL.

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple for
Christmas.

Hugh

[Sherry]

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip>

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

I decided that if there was a particular file that I'd be working a lot
between my laptop and computer, I'd just store that document on the
flash drive and work on it from there. That way I didn't need to move
things back and forth all the time.

However, when I'm done working, I *do* copy the file over to the unit
that I'm working from as a backup. That's only one copy during the
session instead of two and I know the file on the flash is always the
most recent "version"

Sherry

[Dave Hinz]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC), "ken gompertz" <[email protected]> wrote:

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

Most of them. The "Second edition only" is the USB device
manufacturer's way of being careful - a raw Win98 system doesn't do USB
at all. If your ports work, you'll probably be fine.

Keep in mind that Win98 is long past Microsoft's support schedule, and
any new bugs that have been found (security or otherwise) are not being
patched.

[Robert Heiling]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC), "ken gompertz" <[email protected]> wrote:
which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

Most of them. The "Second edition only" is the USB device
manufacturer's way of being careful - a raw Win98 system doesn't do USB
at all. If your ports work, you'll probably be fine.

Keep in mind that Win98 is long past Microsoft's support schedule, and
any new bugs that have been found (security or otherwise) are not being
patched.

Correction on the last statement there. That policy was changed in
somewhat recent times and updates have been available for Windows 98,
both first/original and Second editions. In fact, I just now went to the
Win98FE machine to make sure that hadn't changed yet again and installed
some newly-available updates.

Bob

[Dave Hinz]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:41:00 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

Keep in mind that Win98 is long past Microsoft's support schedule, and
any new bugs that have been found (security or otherwise) are not being
patched.

Correction on the last statement there. That policy was changed in
somewhat recent times and updates have been available for Windows 98,
both first/original and Second editions.

OK, I wasn't aware that they had reversed themselves on this again.

In fact, I just now went to the
Win98FE machine to make sure that hadn't changed yet again and installed
some newly-available updates.

Maybe it's a "We will if we feel like it but don't count on it" kind of
support at this point?

[Birch Plain]

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:41:00 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Keep in mind that Win98 is long past Microsoft's support schedule, and
any new bugs that have been found (security or otherwise) are not being
patched.

Correction on the last statement there. That policy was changed in
somewhat recent times and updates have been available for Windows 98,
both first/original and Second editions.

Flash Drives are great!

For Win98 you will probably need a driver,
obtainable from the manufacturer. ( Usually!)
Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98 and the drives
are made by at least 2 different manufacturers.
Almost impossible to find a driver for Win98.
I just gave up!

[Dave Hinz]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:14:44 GMT, Birch Plain <[email protected]> wrote:

For Win98 you will probably need a driver,
obtainable from the manufacturer. ( Usually!)
Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

and the drives
are made by at least 2 different manufacturers.

Commodity electronics are a fact of life and are hardly unique to Dell.

Almost impossible to find a driver for Win98.
I just gave up!

I think you are oversimplifying the situation grossly.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:32:16 -0500, Sherry <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Just checked - currently 1 and 2 Gig flash/stick USB 2.0 drives are
less than $100 and $200 respectively. If I bought one and gave my 3
smaller flash drives to the second grandson for college that would
solve the marital YOU BOUGHT WHAT? problem!

I decided that if there was a particular file that I'd be working a lot
between my laptop and computer, I'd just store that document on the
flash drive and work on it from there. That way I didn't need to move
things back and forth all the time.

Do Legacy family files work that way?

However, when I'm done working, I *do* copy the file over to the unit
that I'm working from as a backup. That's only one copy during the
session instead of two and I know the file on the flash is always the
most recent "version"

Sherry

I use the desktop in KY and the laptop as a desktop in AL and for
travel. I find it simpler to use the internal HDs and back up all data
to the flash/stick drives - and also periodically to CDs.

Hugh

[John Nichols]

"Birch Plain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d91ec51444cd03d98969e@shawnews...

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:41:00 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]
wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Keep in mind that Win98 is long past Microsoft's support schedule, and
any new bugs that have been found (security or otherwise) are not
being
patched.

Correction on the last statement there. That policy was changed in
somewhat recent times and updates have been available for Windows 98,
both first/original and Second editions.

Flash Drives are great!
For Win98 you will probably need a driver,
obtainable from the manufacturer. ( Usually!)
Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98 and the drives
are made by at least 2 different manufacturers.
Almost impossible to find a driver for Win98.
I just gave up!

So of course I have Dell desktop running Win98, and have plugged my
flashdrive into it with no problems. (Other than the fact that my USB ports
are in the back, but that's not a technical issue in that sense.)

[John Nichols]

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:14:44 GMT, Birch Plain <[email protected]> wrote:

For Win98 you will probably need a driver,
obtainable from the manufacturer. ( Usually!)
Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

and the drives
are made by at least 2 different manufacturers.

Commodity electronics are a fact of life and are hardly unique to Dell.

Almost impossible to find a driver for Win98.
I just gave up!

I think you are oversimplifying the situation grossly.

Indeed.

[Steve Hayes]

On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:14:44 GMT, Birch Plain <[email protected]> wrote:

For Win98 you will probably need a driver,
obtainable from the manufacturer. ( Usually!)
Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

So what did they write, then?



--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[Robert Melson]

In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Hayes <[email protected]> writes:

On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

snip

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

So what did they write, then?

Well, they had a version of Unix several years ago. Does that count? Or

perhaps you have in mind Dell Books?

Swell Ol' Bob

--
Robert G. Melson | Rio Grande MicroSolutions | El Paso, Texas
-----
"One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope that the evils in this world are to be cured by legislation." Thomas Reed
-----

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:18:24 +0200, Steve Hayes
<[email protected]> wrote:

On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:14:44 GMT, Birch Plain <[email protected]> wrote:

For Win98 you will probably need a driver,
obtainable from the manufacturer. ( Usually!)
Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

So what did they write, then?

They wrote a check to the guy who came to my house and repaired my
laptop. But I'm only guessing he didn't do it for free.

What did I write? ...the check for the warranty.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:58:19 GMT, [email protected] (J. Hugh
Sullivan) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:32:16 -0500, Sherry <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Just checked - currently 1 and 2 Gig flash/stick USB 2.0 drives are
less than $100 and $200 respectively. If I bought one and gave my 3
smaller flash drives to the second grandson for college that would
solve the marital YOU BOUGHT WHAT? problem!

I checked with my grandson yesterday and, based on my circumstances,
he desperately needs my 3 stick memories!

Once I am exposed I suspect the other person in this house will have
discovered what our daughters-in-law desperately need.

Hugh

[Sherry]

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>

I decided that if there was a particular file that I'd be working a
lot between my laptop and computer, I'd just store that document on
the flash drive and work on it from there. That way I didn't need
to move things back and forth all the time.

Do Legacy family files work that way?


Hugh

You can run the Family File off the USB drive, but not the program
itself. Legacy still has to be installed to a hard drive.

Sherry

[Sherry]

"John Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

<snip>

So of course I have Dell desktop running Win98, and have plugged my
flashdrive into it with no problems. (Other than the fact that my
USB ports are in the back, but that's not a technical issue in that
sense.)

Annoying, isn't it?? I bought an inexpensive hub so I could have ports
in the front for easy access - it was cheaper than buying a new
computer, esp when I was able to get a 1.1 hub for next to nothing.
What I'm using does fine with 1.1 and my system is older and has 1.1
hubs only anyway. The things that stay plugged in, like the printer,
keyboard, etc, are plugged into the back, but the portable stuff, like
my flash drive, digital camera, etc, can be plugged in through the hub.


Sherry

[Dave Hinz]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:18:24 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:14:44 GMT, Birch Plain <[email protected]> wrote:

Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

So what did they write, then?

Um, they're a hardware vendor, Steve. But I think you know that?

[singhals]

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:58:19 GMT, [email protected] (J. Hugh
Sullivan) wrote:


On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:32:16 -0500, Sherry <[email protected]> wrote:


[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Just checked - currently 1 and 2 Gig flash/stick USB 2.0 drives are
less than $100 and $200 respectively. If I bought one and gave my 3
smaller flash drives to the second grandson for college that would
solve the marital YOU BOUGHT WHAT? problem!


I checked with my grandson yesterday and, based on my circumstances,
he desperately needs my 3 stick memories!

Once I am exposed I suspect the other person in this house will have
discovered what our daughters-in-law desperately need.

New Husbands? (DG&R) And mind, I've got your phone number, so if you
get a lot of "if a Man answers" calls in the next couple days ...

Cheryl

[singhals]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:41:00 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:



Keep in mind that Win98 is long past Microsoft's support schedule, and
any new bugs that have been found (security or otherwise) are not being
patched.

Correction on the last statement there. That policy was changed in
somewhat recent times and updates have been available for Windows 98,
both first/original and Second editions.


OK, I wasn't aware that they had reversed themselves on this again.


In fact, I just now went to the
Win98FE machine to make sure that hadn't changed yet again and installed
some newly-available updates.


Maybe it's a "We will if we feel like it but don't count on it" kind of
support at this point?

"We will if we know the answer, but if we don't, we're not looking for
one" ?? maybe?

Cheryl

[Dave Hinz]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:32:24 -0400, singhals <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

OK, I wasn't aware that they had reversed themselves on this again.
Maybe it's a "We will if we feel like it but don't count on it" kind of
support at this point?

"We will if we know the answer, but if we don't, we're not looking for
one" ?? maybe?

Cheryl, may I have your permission to use that line with our support
folks?

Dave

[Robert Heiling]

Sherry wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations? I have a USB drive enclosure here,
complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard
drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a 120GB
drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts those to
shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

Bob

[Dave Hinz]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:55 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations?

Sure!

I have a USB drive enclosure here,
complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard
drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a 120GB
drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts those to
shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

Yabut, it doesn't fit on my keychain, in my pocket, and it cares about
how it's handled. Still something to be said for solid state.

That said, before I drop a bill on a 1GB flash drive, I'd drop 2 bills
on a iPod Nano and get 4 times the storage, plus an mp3 player with a
great GUI.

But yeah, these are smaller and more pricy per byte than a HDD, but
they're really for a different purpose. I always have my keys with me,
and I use the files on my thumb drive an awful lot. (I do some "friends
and family PC support" from time to time). A HD would hold more, but
this holds _enough_ and is astonishingly convenient.

Dave Hinz

[Helen Castle]

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations?

cos I wanted a flash drive - I went to a shop - I bought one
Even when I was in USA you still had to pay the shop the price they wanted.

I have a USB drive enclosure here,

complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard

drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a

120GB drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts

those to shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

So far I have on it my full Legacy data (also the install program), all the
photos, AVG free install program and some games that mum wants, photos off
the SD card to be shared with others. Probably other stuff as well.

It fits in my handbag - is easy to use - and takes the place of 500 or so
floppies I would need to carry in a box - it's not as hard to transport as a
CD

I already have enough drives attached to the machine and didnt need more HDD
space

I imagine taking my HDD to someones house and asking to install it to share
some files would be a bit over the top. The thumb drive is a little less
threatening. Remember there are people out there who dont use the internet,
but have computers. (my mum does banking only and doesnt use anything else)

Helen

[Dave Hinz]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:54:52 +1000, Helen Castle <[email protected]> wrote:

So far I have on it my full Legacy data (also the install program), all the
photos, AVG free install program and some games that mum wants, photos off
the SD card to be shared with others. Probably other stuff as well.

Hm, sounds familiar. Mine has my GEDCOM, the exported photos to
accompany it, Windows XP service pack 2, AVG antivirus install,
Irfanview install, firefox install, itunes install, AdAware install,
and a bunch of photos of my kids or whatever is most recent on my
digital camera.

It fits in my handbag - is easy to use - and takes the place of 500 or so
floppies I would need to carry in a box - it's not as hard to transport as a
CD

And there ya go.

I imagine taking my HDD to someones house and asking to install it to share
some files would be a bit over the top. The thumb drive is a little less
threatening. Remember there are people out there who dont use the internet,
but have computers. (my mum does banking only and doesnt use anything else)

Good point, hadn't considered that. Even though, logically and
functionally it's exactly the same, a thumb drive does seem less
threatening than "Hi, I want to add a hard drive to your system".

Dave Hinz

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("ken
gompertz") wrote:

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

ken
[email protected]

As best I can recall, Win 98 (not SE) did NOT support USB ports. Since
all flash drives utilize a USB port, I think you may have a hard time
finding a drive that will work.

If you upgrade to Win 98SE, any drive that includes a disc with
drivers will work... or if you upgrade to Win 98 ME (Millineum
Edition, or something like that) the drivers for the flash drives are
built in, as they are with Win XP.
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Dave Hinz]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:18:30 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("ken
gompertz") wrote:

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

ken
[email protected]

As best I can recall, Win 98 (not SE) did NOT support USB ports. Since
all flash drives utilize a USB port, I think you may have a hard time
finding a drive that will work.

Some USB cards come with the drivers to fix that.

[Robert Heiling]

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("ken
gompertz") wrote:

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

ken
[email protected]

As best I can recall, Win 98 (not SE) did NOT support USB ports. Since
all flash drives utilize a USB port, I think you may have a hard time
finding a drive that will work.

If you upgrade to Win 98SE, any drive that includes a disc with
drivers will work... or if you upgrade to Win 98 ME (Millineum
Edition, or something like that) the drivers for the flash drives are
built in, as they are with Win XP.
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

As I've already posted on this thread, that is not a problem! We have a
Win98 (not SE) machine here with USB 1.1 hardware ports. It already
supports a USB Canon scanner, an HP digital camera, and the USB external
harddrive interface that I've also mentioned.

NOT a problem!

Bob

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:30:31 -0400, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:

J. Hugh Sullivan wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:58:19 GMT, [email protected] (J. Hugh
Sullivan) wrote:


On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:32:16 -0500, Sherry <[email protected]> wrote:


[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Just checked - currently 1 and 2 Gig flash/stick USB 2.0 drives are
less than $100 and $200 respectively. If I bought one and gave my 3
smaller flash drives to the second grandson for college that would
solve the marital YOU BOUGHT WHAT? problem!


I checked with my grandson yesterday and, based on my circumstances,
he desperately needs my 3 stick memories!

Once I am exposed I suspect the other person in this house will have
discovered what our daughters-in-law desperately need.

New Husbands? (DG&R) And mind, I've got your phone number, so if you
get a lot of "if a Man answers" calls in the next couple days ...

Cheryl

Is that why I get so many hangups? Caller ID has sorta put the quietus
on that. I call 'em back.

A guy looking for the weather bureau called a couple of days ago - he
wanted to know if the coast was clear!

Hugh

[Steve Hayes]

On 15 Sep 2005 17:30:26 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:18:24 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:14:44 GMT, Birch Plain <[email protected]> wrote:

Don't buy a Dell!
They don't support Win98

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

So what did they write, then?

Um, they're a hardware vendor, Steve. But I think you know that?

Yes I know that.

But hardware is not much use without software, and I doubt that they wrote
their own operating system, so I wonder what your question meant.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:18:30 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir
<[email protected]> declaimed the following in
soc.genealogy.computing:

As best I can recall, Win 98 (not SE) did NOT support USB ports. Since
all flash drives utilize a USB port, I think you may have a hard time
finding a drive that will work.

Win95OSR2 had /very/ rudimentary support for USB (so rudimentary, I

think only one device out of 10 would even be recognized).

W98 should have had USB support.
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[email protected] | Bestiaria Support Staff
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[Steve Hayes]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:54:52 +1000, "Helen Castle"
<[email protected]> wrote:

So far I have on it my full Legacy data (also the install program), all the
photos, AVG free install program and some games that mum wants, photos off
the SD card to be shared with others. Probably other stuff as well.

I have a 250Mb flash drive which i use mainly to copy files between my laptop
and desktop computers. It has all my Legacy data and pictures on it, and data
files from several other programs I use. I update it with a batch file, so I
just type a single command, and it does it.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[Steve Hayes]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:18:30 -0500, Charlie Hoffpauir <[email protected]>
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:28:54 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] ("ken
gompertz") wrote:

which flashdrive, 256mb, is compatible with Windows 98 (NOT 2nd ed)? .. i have 2 usb ports, pentium 4 .. it must be available for sale in Australia ... thanks

ken
[email protected]

As best I can recall, Win 98 (not SE) did NOT support USB ports. Since
all flash drives utilize a USB port, I think you may have a hard time
finding a drive that will work.

My son had a flash disk that worked just fine with the USB ports on my Win 98
computer.

I discovered that the USB ports were there on the motherboard, but not enabled
in the BIOS (when I bought the computer USB devices were not very common). But
when I enabled them in the CMOS settings, the flash drive worked fine, as did
a USB-only printer my wife bought me for Christmas, though it would not print
from DOS programs. But it won't print from DOS programs on my laptop which
runs under Windows XP.

If you upgrade to Win 98SE, any drive that includes a disc with
drivers will work... or if you upgrade to Win 98 ME (Millineum
Edition, or something like that) the drivers for the flash drives are
built in, as they are with Win XP.

One problem I've found, since upgrading to 98SE, is that the flash drive
sometimes conflicts with the printer (even though it is a different printer,
connected to the LPT1 port).


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:03:39 +0200, Steve Hayes
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:54:52 +1000, "Helen Castle"
[email protected]> wrote:

So far I have on it my full Legacy data (also the install program), all the
photos, AVG free install program and some games that mum wants, photos off
the SD card to be shared with others. Probably other stuff as well.

I have a 250Mb flash drive which i use mainly to copy files between my laptop
and desktop computers. It has all my Legacy data and pictures on it, and data
files from several other programs I use. I update it with a batch file, so I
just type a single command, and it does it.

I have three of them and copy all data when I am leaving town and
changing computers. In the interim I back up to them.

But, at the moment, I have about $200 burning a hole in my pocket...


....and my grandson desperately needs to expand his hardware
collection. He who dies with the most toys wins.

Two grandsons to place extra printers, monitors, computers, etc. with
- and two more on the way (except those two will probably hand stuff
down to me). How sweet it is! (my respects to Jackie Gleason)

Hugh

[Dave Hinz]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:19:48 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

On 15 Sep 2005 17:30:26 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:18:24 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?
So what did they write, then?
Um, they're a hardware vendor, Steve. But I think you know that?

Yes I know that.

But hardware is not much use without software, and I doubt that they wrote
their own operating system, so I wonder what your question meant.

Their hardware works great with many operating systems, not just
Windows. I don't understand why someone would call their hardware
vendor for a problem with an OS - further, I don't see why anyone would
blame Dell specifically, for Microsoft's failure to support USB cleanly
in Windows 98. It's not like Dell made it not work. So, saying "Don't
buy Dell because Windows 98 doesn't support USB" is silly. That was my
point.

Dave

[Robert Heiling]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:19:48 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
On 15 Sep 2005 17:30:26 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:18:24 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:
On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:

Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?
So what did they write, then?
Um, they're a hardware vendor, Steve. But I think you know that?

Yes I know that.

But hardware is not much use without software, and I doubt that they wrote
their own operating system, so I wonder what your question meant.

Their hardware works great with many operating systems, not just
Windows. I don't understand why someone would call their hardware
vendor for a problem with an OS - further, I don't see why anyone would
blame Dell specifically, for Microsoft's failure to support USB cleanly
in Windows 98. It's not like Dell made it not work. So, saying "Don't
buy Dell because Windows 98 doesn't support USB" is silly. That was my
point.

But there is/was no "failure to support USB". Why does that myth keep
popping up over & over again? I think what you mean is the logic in
regard to somebody imagining failure to be the case and the follow-on
conclusions therefrom.

The word "support" really needs proper context to understand what it
means, if anything, in any given case. Hardware needs drivers and
whether Microsoft supplies those for a given hardware-OS combination or
the manufacturer has the driver written per MS specs doesn't make a heck
of a lot of difference in my mind.

When our Win98 machine was out of action and waiting for the new
motherboard to arrive and be installed, I simply installed its Win98
hard disk in this Compaq so that my wife could continue using her
programs & data during the outage. Since this Compaq has hardware that
hadn't been invented when Win98 was released, the builtin graphics and
ethernet and other hardware didn't work immediately. Does that mean that
Compaq doesn't support Win98? Does that mean that Win98 doesn't support
Compaq?

Actually, everything worked as it was intended to work when Win98 was
written. I simply located, downloaded, and installed the Win98 drivers.
They were typically available on the manufacturers websites such as
Compaq, Intel & Adaptec for example. So who "supports" who? I dunno. I
only know that the system works as intended.<g>

Bob

[Dave Hinz]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:06:55 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

I don't understand why someone would call their hardware
vendor for a problem with an OS - further, I don't see why anyone would
blame Dell specifically, for Microsoft's failure to support USB cleanly
in Windows 98

But there is/was no "failure to support USB". Why does that myth keep
popping up over & over again?

Well, USB was new when win98 came out. If you buy a USB port, you have
to install drivers that come with the card rather than the built in
windows drivers, sometimes. It's the "sometimes" that makes it
somethign vendors don't want to just say will work.

I think what you mean is the logic in
regard to somebody imagining failure to be the case and the follow-on
conclusions therefrom.

I've seen the failure first-hand, on several occasions. I touch an
awful lot of systems. Best example would be my sister's PC, which (at
the time) was a win98 box updated from win95. The stock win98 build
installed on that hardware _would not_ recognize the USB devices plugged
into the card, and only worked once I played driver games and sacrificed
a goat, swore a lot, spent too much time on google, and eventually got
there.

When our Win98 machine was out of action and waiting for the new
motherboard to arrive and be installed, I simply installed its Win98
hard disk in this Compaq so that my wife could continue using her
programs & data during the outage. Since this Compaq has hardware that
hadn't been invented when Win98 was released, the builtin graphics and
ethernet and other hardware didn't work immediately. Does that mean that
Compaq doesn't support Win98? Does that mean that Win98 doesn't support
Compaq?

Right, but you have to -make it work-. That's the part that someone
selling a consumer item can't be sure has been done on any given system.
YOu'd have customers saying "I have windows 98, you said this would
work, it doesn't!", just because they haven't straightened out what
takes more than zero effort to do. Since they're not sure if it'll work
with win98, they don't say it will.

Kind of like our work sites. We know they work on any browser you want,
because few of us use Win/MSIE when testing our stuff on them. But, we
don't want to set up a test lab with all 27 permutations of OS and
browser that our customers use, so even though we know they work, we
don't say "This is a supported configuration". Doesn't mean it doesn't
work, just means we don't test it as a matter of procedure.

They were typically available on the manufacturers websites such as
Compaq, Intel & Adaptec for example. So who "supports" who? I dunno. I
only know that the system works as intended.<g

You're not the typical computer user, Bob...

Dave Hinz

[Allen]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 06:19:48 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

On 15 Sep 2005 17:30:26 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:


On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:18:24 +0200, Steve Hayes <[email protected]> wrote:

On 14 Sep 2005 16:54:12 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:


Dell disn't write Win98, why should they support it?

So what did they write, then?

Um, they're a hardware vendor, Steve. But I think you know that?


Yes I know that.


But hardware is not much use without software, and I doubt that they wrote
their own operating system, so I wonder what your question meant.


Their hardware works great with many operating systems, not just
Windows. I don't understand why someone would call their hardware
vendor for a problem with an OS - further, I don't see why anyone would
blame Dell specifically, for Microsoft's failure to support USB cleanly
in Windows 98. It's not like Dell made it not work. So, saying "Don't
buy Dell because Windows 98 doesn't support USB" is silly. That was my
point.

Dave


I checked Google for Birch Plain in the ng--this is the only post he has

ever made to it, at least that is preserved by Google. Probably just a
troll with some kind of fixation about Dell. Of course I post here very
seldom--just lurk, hoping to learn.
Allen

[Robert Heiling]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:06:55 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

I don't understand why someone would call their hardware
vendor for a problem with an OS - further, I don't see why anyone would
blame Dell specifically, for Microsoft's failure to support USB cleanly
in Windows 98

But there is/was no "failure to support USB". Why does that myth keep
popping up over & over again?

Well, USB was new when win98 came out. If you buy a USB port, you have
to install drivers that come with the card rather than the built in
windows drivers, sometimes. It's the "sometimes" that makes it
somethign vendors don't want to just say will work.

Just about any device that you buy comes with an installation floppy or
CD that contain the drivers for that device. That system is necessary to
accomodate the quirks of that particular device and those drivers may be
different than or identical to the drivers on the Win98 CD. The
manufacturer of the device is the one who knows what is needed and
supplies drivers as needed.

I think what you mean is the logic in
regard to somebody imagining failure to be the case and the follow-on
conclusions therefrom.

I've seen the failure first-hand, on several occasions. I touch an
awful lot of systems. Best example would be my sister's PC, which (at
the time) was a win98 box updated from win95. The stock win98 build
installed on that hardware _would not_ recognize the USB devices plugged
into the card,

From your description, I take it that was an add-in PCI card with USB
ports? Win95 drivers would have come with it and Win98 would need a
driver for that card as you discovered and fixed.

and only worked once I played driver games and sacrificed
a goat, swore a lot, spent too much time on google, and eventually got
there.

But that's as it should be, other than the poor goat.<g> Win98 is
open-ended to adding new drivers as long as someone is willing to write
them.

When our Win98 machine was out of action and waiting for the new
motherboard to arrive and be installed, I simply installed its Win98
hard disk in this Compaq so that my wife could continue using her
programs & data during the outage. Since this Compaq has hardware that
hadn't been invented when Win98 was released, the builtin graphics and
ethernet and other hardware didn't work immediately. Does that mean that
Compaq doesn't support Win98? Does that mean that Win98 doesn't support
Compaq?

Right, but you have to -make it work-. That's the part that someone
selling a consumer item can't be sure has been done on any given system.

But they can test it on typical systems. They have to anyhow, just to
develop the product.

YOu'd have customers saying "I have windows 98, you said this would
work, it doesn't!", just because they haven't straightened out what
takes more than zero effort to do. Since they're not sure if it'll work
with win98, they don't say it will.

Take my Compaq here as an example. It comes bundled with XP which has
all the XP drivers needed for the hardware and that's all that Compaq
cares to do. Someone could, however, sell this hardware bundled with
Win98 and all those Win98 drivers I hunted down.

Kind of like our work sites. We know they work on any browser you want,
because few of us use Win/MSIE when testing our stuff on them.

I'll read that as "a few of us", i.e. some of us. At least I hope so.

But, we
don't want to set up a test lab with all 27 permutations of OS and
browser that our customers use, so even though we know they work, we
don't say "This is a supported configuration". Doesn't mean it doesn't
work, just means we don't test it as a matter of procedure.

Sure, that's understandable. It's similar to my Comcast ISP saying that
they only "support" MSOE because that's the only mail & news client that
their tech support is officially trained in to assist customers. But
there's that word "support" again and that word leads some people to
think that their Netscape, Mozilla, Agent, Xnews, or etc won't work,
when they all work just fine.

They were typically available on the manufacturers websites such as
Compaq, Intel & Adaptec for example. So who "supports" who? I dunno. I
only know that the system works as intended.<g

You're not the typical computer user, Bob...

Not so sure. Anybody still using Win98 has more than likely been using
computers for a while and learned a few tricks. I may very well be
typical of Win98 users.

Bob

[Dave Hinz]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:08:40 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

Right, but you have to -make it work-. That's the part that someone
selling a consumer item can't be sure has been done on any given system.

But they can test it on typical systems. They have to anyhow, just to
develop the product.

RIght, but they have to stop testing back at some point. Win98SE had
decent USB support, so it's as good a point as any to stop testing at.
At some point, users have to just understand that really, really, really
old stuff just is going to not be able to do everything that newer stuff
can do.

YOu'd have customers saying "I have windows 98, you said this would
work, it doesn't!", just because they haven't straightened out what
takes more than zero effort to do. Since they're not sure if it'll work
with win98, they don't say it will.

Take my Compaq here as an example. It comes bundled with XP which has
all the XP drivers needed for the hardware and that's all that Compaq
cares to do. Someone could, however, sell this hardware bundled with
Win98 and all those Win98 drivers I hunted down.

Right, but most users are incapable of doing a Windows Update,
FFS...they're going to be completely paralyzed by fear when it's time to
(gasp!) install a driver.

Kind of like our work sites. We know they work on any browser you want,
because few of us use Win/MSIE when testing our stuff on them.

I'll read that as "a few of us", i.e. some of us. At least I hope so.

Few of us, as in "most of us don't". We've got automated regression
testing in our QA lab so new releases are tested with the common
browsers and OSs, but that doesn't mean that the guy who builds the
webservers should have to be tied to that same OS and browser.

But, we
don't want to set up a test lab with all 27 permutations of OS and
browser that our customers use, so even though we know they work, we
don't say "This is a supported configuration". Doesn't mean it doesn't
work, just means we don't test it as a matter of procedure.

Sure, that's understandable. It's similar to my Comcast ISP saying that
they only "support" MSOE

Milwaukee School Of Engineering? I can see it out the window behind
me...

because that's the only mail & news client that
their tech support is officially trained in to assist customers. But
there's that word "support" again and that word leads some people to
think that their Netscape, Mozilla, Agent, Xnews, or etc won't work,
when they all work just fine.

Kind of like, but not as annoying as, the commercials which say
"anti-spyware and antivirus software not compatible with Macintosh
computers". Yeah? No shit? Well, that's OK, because neither are the
viruses or spyware, so I'll be fine, thankyouverymuch.

They were typically available on the manufacturers websites such as
Compaq, Intel & Adaptec for example. So who "supports" who? I dunno. I
only know that the system works as intended.<g

You're not the typical computer user, Bob...

Not so sure. Anybody still using Win98 has more than likely been using
computers for a while and learned a few tricks. I may very well be
typical of Win98 users.

I do a lot of "friends and family support". If you were typical, I
wouldn't spend 90% of the time running Windows Update (oh, yeah, it said
something about an update and I clicked the X so it would go away),
updating antivirus and antispyware, and cleaning out the viruses that
built up since they let Norton's license expire. Etc. No, I don't
think you're the typical user, and I don't think the folks who I help
out are more careless/ignorant than the average computer user.

Dave Hinz

[John Nichols]

"Sherry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

"John Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

snip

So of course I have Dell desktop running Win98, and have plugged my
flashdrive into it with no problems. (Other than the fact that my
USB ports are in the back, but that's not a technical issue in that
sense.)



Annoying, isn't it?? I bought an inexpensive hub so I could have ports
in the front for easy access - it was cheaper than buying a new
computer, esp when I was able to get a 1.1 hub for next to nothing.
What I'm using does fine with 1.1 and my system is older and has 1.1
hubs only anyway. The things that stay plugged in, like the printer,
keyboard, etc, are plugged into the back, but the portable stuff, like
my flash drive, digital camera, etc, can be plugged in through the hub.


Absolutely annoying. I intend to do what you did, and buy a hub to plug

into it. I've a few things, like that flash drive, that I'd use on my
desktop a lot more often that way. Plus, I'd like to add a different
printer, and you'd be hard pressed to find a printer today that doesn't
depend on using a USB port.

[Robert Heiling]

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:08:40 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Kind of like our work sites. We know they work on any browser you want,
because few of us use Win/MSIE when testing our stuff on them.

I'll read that as "a few of us", i.e. some of us. At least I hope so.

Few of us, as in "most of us don't". We've got automated regression
testing in our QA lab so new releases are tested with the common
browsers and OSs, but that doesn't mean that the guy who builds the
webservers should have to be tied to that same OS and browser.

Ah sorry! I had been misreading that as saying essentially that you knew
that they would work with Win/MSIE because [very] few people had tested
with it. Took a while to register, but I see what you're saying now.

Sure, that's understandable. It's similar to my Comcast ISP saying that
they only "support" MSOE

Milwaukee School Of Engineering? I can see it out the window behind
me...

Right. That's the place! The one where they study the best ways of
brewing beer<g> http://people.msoe.edu/~hafemann/cs1020/lab2.html

Kind of like, but not as annoying as, the commercials which say
"anti-spyware and antivirus software not compatible with Macintosh
computers". Yeah? No shit? Well, that's OK, because neither are the
viruses or spyware, so I'll be fine, thankyouverymuch.

True enough. I wonder why they even bother to say that though. Is it
possible that they get a lot of inquiries otherwise?

I do a lot of "friends and family support". If you were typical, I
wouldn't spend 90% of the time running Windows Update

You're in that trap too eh? I even get to to the chkdsk and defragging.
She makes the meals though, so I guess it's a fair tradeoff.

Bob

[Dave Hinz]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:46:23 -0700, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Dave Hinz wrote:

Few of us, as in "most of us don't". We've got automated regression
testing in our QA lab so new releases are tested with the common
browsers and OSs, but that doesn't mean that the guy who builds the
webservers should have to be tied to that same OS and browser.

Ah sorry! I had been misreading that as saying essentially that you knew
that they would work with Win/MSIE because [very] few people had tested
with it. Took a while to register, but I see what you're saying now.

I can see how it could be read either way. I visit Windows-World to
check my email, and, well, that's about it. If I could be bothered to
install the Linux Lotus Notes client, I wouldn't even need that.

Well, no, I support Samba too, so I need a test box. But yeah.

Milwaukee School Of Engineering? I can see it out the window behind
me...

Right. That's the place! The one where they study the best ways of
brewing beer<g> http://people.msoe.edu/~hafemann/cs1020/lab2.html

Why am not surprised? But, really, brewing is some pretty complex
biochemistry when you get into all the enzymes, temperatures, reactions,
percentages, and so on. It's easy to brew beer, it's tough to brew
_good_ beer and understand what you're doing. Why to keep below 170(F)
in the mash, and so on.

Kind of like, but not as annoying as, the commercials which say
"anti-spyware and antivirus software not compatible with Macintosh
computers". Yeah? No shit? Well, that's OK, because neither are the
viruses or spyware, so I'll be fine, thankyouverymuch.

True enough. I wonder why they even bother to say that though. Is it
possible that they get a lot of inquiries otherwise?

I'm sure it's just cluelessness.

I do a lot of "friends and family support". If you were typical, I
wouldn't spend 90% of the time running Windows Update

You're in that trap too eh? I even get to to the chkdsk and defragging.
She makes the meals though, so I guess it's a fair tradeoff.

I've cut it down, but yeah. "Feed me (good) beer while I'm doing it and
I'll get you set up". Time for those went way down when I bought the
thumb drive, because I could bring my toys along with me.

And back to the topic we go. Go figure.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:54:06 GMT, "John Nichols"
<[email protected]> wrote:

"Sherry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"John Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

snip

So of course I have Dell desktop running Win98, and have plugged my
flashdrive into it with no problems. (Other than the fact that my
USB ports are in the back, but that's not a technical issue in that
sense.)



Annoying, isn't it?? I bought an inexpensive hub so I could have ports
in the front for easy access - it was cheaper than buying a new
computer, esp when I was able to get a 1.1 hub for next to nothing.
What I'm using does fine with 1.1 and my system is older and has 1.1
hubs only anyway. The things that stay plugged in, like the printer,
keyboard, etc, are plugged into the back, but the portable stuff, like
my flash drive, digital camera, etc, can be plugged in through the hub.


Absolutely annoying. I intend to do what you did, and buy a hub to plug
into it. I've a few things, like that flash drive, that I'd use on my
desktop a lot more often that way. Plus, I'd like to add a different
printer, and you'd be hard pressed to find a printer today that doesn't
depend on using a USB port.

If you haven't checked into hubs recently, they make them where stick
drives can be placed on top instead of in back where they are more
difficult to reach.

Also buy a hub with as many ports as you can. If you have to get into
your computer you don't have as many connectors to remove and replace.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:58:19 GMT, [email protected] (J. Hugh
Sullivan) wrote:

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:32:16 -0500, Sherry <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Just checked - currently 1 and 2 Gig flash/stick USB 2.0 drives are
less than $100 and $200 respectively.

This morning "Travel Drives" are $60 for 1 Gig and $130 for 4 Gig. A
40 Gig portable is $100 and a 200 Gig external is $150 - after
rebates.

If we miniaturize electronics much more they will be "noseeums".

If I buy a Travel Drive now maybe I'll get a super PDA for my birthday
in a couple of months - one which will hold a genealogy program and
data.

Educate me... what good is a 200GB external HD when you have less than
10GB on your internal HD?

Hugh

[Dennis Lee Bieber]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:59:46 GMT, [email protected] (J. Hugh
Sullivan) declaimed the following in soc.genealogy.computing:

Educate me... what good is a 200GB external HD when you have less than
10GB on your internal HD?

Editing DV-AVIs -- digital video runs 13GB per hour, and you

probably want space for raw capture, edited output, MPEG conversion for
DVD (which squeezes that 13GB down to about 3.5GB), and maybe some
static images for titles backgrounds.

Granted, my current desktop has a 400GB internal, configured as a
53GB C: (for applications, no user data), about 50GB consumed by a Dell
recovery/diagnostic partition (that is only visible in the boot
selection menu), and the rest is user data. But I've moved the 160GB
external drive from my old machine to the new one. I also have a 300GB
external that I could daisy-chain, but it is mainly for use with my
laptop, that only has a 40GB internal (nearly full).
--

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[email protected] | Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG
[email protected] | Bestiaria Support Staff
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Home Page: <http://www.dm.net/~wulfraed/
Overflow Page: <http://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:54:13 GMT, Dennis Lee Bieber
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:59:46 GMT, [email protected] (J. Hugh
Sullivan) declaimed the following in soc.genealogy.computing:


Educate me... what good is a 200GB external HD when you have less than
10GB on your internal HD?

Editing DV-AVIs -- digital video runs 13GB per hour, and you
probably want space for raw capture, edited output, MPEG conversion for
DVD (which squeezes that 13GB down to about 3.5GB), and maybe some
static images for titles backgrounds.

Granted, my current desktop has a 400GB internal, configured as a
53GB C: (for applications, no user data), about 50GB consumed by a Dell
recovery/diagnostic partition (that is only visible in the boot
selection menu), and the rest is user data. But I've moved the 160GB
external drive from my old machine to the new one. I also have a 300GB
external that I could daisy-chain, but it is mainly for use with my
laptop, that only has a 40GB internal (nearly full).
--
==============================================================
[email protected] | Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber KD6MOG
[email protected] | Bestiaria Support Staff
==============================================================

Thanks, I understand - but again I have less than 8GB and hardly have
time to be WA4QZU. Retirement takes too much time!

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:55 -0700, Robert Heiling
<[email protected]> wrote:

Sherry wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations? I have a USB drive enclosure here,
complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard
drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a 120GB
drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts those to
shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

Bob

Okay, you changed my mind.

I just got the 40GB WD Portable and plugged it into the USB Hub. It's
about the size of a nice sterling cigarette case and I quit smoking 28
years ago so I have an available shirt pocket.

Hugh

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:24:54 -0500, Sherry <[email protected]> wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

snip

I decided that if there was a particular file that I'd be working a
lot between my laptop and computer, I'd just store that document on
the flash drive and work on it from there. That way I didn't need
to move things back and forth all the time.

Do Legacy family files work that way?


Hugh


You can run the Family File off the USB drive, but not the program
itself. Legacy still has to be installed to a hard drive.

Sherry

As noted in another post I now have a portable 40GB HD attached to a
USB Hub. I copied Legacy to the Portable and it seems to work fine.
So, based on what you said Legacy will work with an HD regardless of
connection but not a flash/stick drive. Am I correct?

Hugh

[Robert Heiling]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:55 -0700, Robert Heiling
[email protected]> wrote:

Sherry wrote:

[email protected] (J. Hugh Sullivan) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
snip

I have a desktop in KY, spend a lot of time in AL plus other travel
with a laptop. The flash drives are perfect for keeping Word, Excel
and my genealogy program updated on both computers. And, they are
great for backups.

I don't know how big they make 'em now but I may ask for a couple
for Christmas.

Hugh

They're in the GB realm now if you can afford it.

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations? I have a USB drive enclosure here,
complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard
drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a 120GB
drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts those to
shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

Bob

Okay, you changed my mind.

I just got the 40GB WD Portable and plugged it into the USB Hub. It's
about the size of a nice sterling cigarette case and I quit smoking 28
years ago so I have an available shirt pocket.

I'm sure you already know this, but you're perhaps going to want an
attached cord to loop around your neck. My cigarettes had a habit of
falling out of the pocket onto the floor when I bent over to pick up a
dropped lighter.<g>

Bob

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:55 -0700, Robert Heiling
<[email protected]> wrote:

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations? I have a USB drive enclosure here,
complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard
drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a 120GB
drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts those to
shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

Bob

If I copy all folders from the C: drive to the Portable HD can I run
the computer from it.

I presume the computer will boot up in the C: drive unless I tell the
BIOS to look for the G drive first.

So I'm just asking if it is possible to run from the portable.

Hugh

[Robert Heiling]

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:55 -0700, Robert Heiling
[email protected]> wrote:

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations? I have a USB drive enclosure here,
complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard
drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a 120GB
drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts those to
shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

Bob

If I copy all folders from the C: drive to the Portable HD can I run
the computer from it.

I presume the computer will boot up in the C: drive unless I tell the
BIOS to look for the G drive first.

So I'm just asking if it is possible to run from the portable.

It hasn't worked for me, but perhaps not all adapters are made alike.
Just copying files wouldn't do it in any case as there's this small
matter of an MBR (Master Boot Record) that doesn't get created when
simply copying. I do have a bootable drive sitting here that used to be
my primary before the S.M.A.R.T. diagnostics warned me that it could
fail and I replaced it. It would not boot from the USB when I tried
recently even though I had reinstalled it internally for a test I was
running and it still boots fine there. I didn't pursue the matter, so
that's as much as I know about the booting aspect.

Bob

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:25:18 -0700, Robert Heiling
<[email protected]> wrote:

"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:

On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:36:55 -0700, Robert Heiling
[email protected]> wrote:

Could somebody please explain why anyone would pay those prices and
accept those size limitations? I have a USB drive enclosure here,
complete with power supply, that will accept any size standard hard
drive. Cost was about $20. Drives are cheap and I just picked up a 120GB
drive for $20. So, for only $40, I have something that puts those to
shame. The cost should be even less for smaller drives.

Bob

If I copy all folders from the C: drive to the Portable HD can I run
the computer from it.

I presume the computer will boot up in the C: drive unless I tell the
BIOS to look for the G drive first.

So I'm just asking if it is possible to run from the portable.

It hasn't worked for me, but perhaps not all adapters are made alike.
Just copying files wouldn't do it in any case as there's this small
matter of an MBR (Master Boot Record) that doesn't get created when
simply copying. I do have a bootable drive sitting here that used to be
my primary before the S.M.A.R.T. diagnostics warned me that it could
fail and I replaced it. It would not boot from the USB when I tried
recently even though I had reinstalled it internally for a test I was
running and it still boots fine there. I didn't pursue the matter, so
that's as much as I know about the booting aspect.

Bob

Thank you. I had not planned to do that - just wanted a little
education.

Hugh