unknown parental relationship in FTM2005

[Kerry Raymond]

I upgraded to FTM2005 a few months ago and am finding that a number of
people in my database are showing up as having an "unknown" parental
relationship with one or both parents. The problem persists when I
save/restore in various FTM versions but magically fixes itself (i.e.
parents become Natural again) when I export/import via GED.

Given that changing a parental relationship from the default Natural to
Unknown can only be done by using the People > Other Parents window, it
seems unlikely I have done this myself by accident to various random people
throughout my file.

Obviously one possibility is simply that my FTM2005 database got a bit
corrupted when my PC crashed or something.

But I am just curious if anyone else has encountered this phenomenon. The
way to test for it is:

View > Reports > Parentage

then

Contents > Individuals to Include > Individuals to Include

then
<< (to clear any people in the right hand window)
Find >
Parental relationship (adopted ...)
Unknown
OK

Do you get any people being selected for the report (or at least any you
weren't expecting)?

Kerry

[Robert Heiling]

Kerry Raymond wrote:

I upgraded to FTM2005 a few months ago and am finding that a number of
people in my database are showing up as having an "unknown" parental
relationship with one or both parents. The problem persists when I
save/restore in various FTM versions but magically fixes itself (i.e.
parents become Natural again) when I export/import via GED.

Given that changing a parental relationship from the default Natural to
Unknown can only be done by using the People > Other Parents window, it
seems unlikely I have done this myself by accident to various random people
throughout my file.

Obviously one possibility is simply that my FTM2005 database got a bit
corrupted when my PC crashed or something.

But I am just curious if anyone else has encountered this phenomenon. The
way to test for it is:

View > Reports > Parentage

then

Contents > Individuals to Include > Individuals to Include

then
(to clear any people in the right hand window)
Find
Parental relationship (adopted ...)
Unknown
OK

Do you get any people being selected for the report (or at least any you
weren't expecting)?

I just tried that with one of the databases I have here and came up with
4 people. They are all children of the same couple and I'll assume that
there's some cleaning up necessary. This is in FTM 7.5

Bob

[Kerry Raymond]

I just tried that with one of the databases I have here and came up with
4 people. They are all children of the same couple and I'll assume that
there's some cleaning up necessary. This is in FTM 7.5

But it is interesting that you have an older version of FTM, perhaps the
problem is not introduced in FTM2005 as I was suspecting.

Indeed the only thing that alerted me to the problem was that I turned on
the "show non-natural relationships as dashed line" (or whatever it is)
feature in displaying descendant trees and noticed lots of people with
dashed lines appearing in my trees. As I previously did not use that
feature, it's possible I have had these problems for some years and just
never noticed before. So I found an old FTM file from 2000 and opened it in
FTM 2005 and lo, and behold, these "unknown" relationships are present back
in that file (and for the same people).

So it looks like the problem is long-standing errors in my data (still not
clear what caused them) but at least it seems unlikely that FTM2005 is to
blame.
I think I will just fix the problems by hand.

Kerry

[Hugh Watkins]

yes it seems to be connected with detach and reattach children and
multiple spouses

there is a menu for fixing them

menu >> people >> other parents
relationship with mother << drop down menu
AND
realtionship with father << drop down menu

natural
foster
adopted
unknown
other
step
family member
private

=== I wouldlike to see added:-

apprentice
employee
servant

even lodger

to allow for those extended family groups seen in census
where parent would mean head of hopusehold

Hugh W


On 7/13/05, Kerry Raymond <[email protected]> wrote:

I upgraded to FTM2005 a few months ago and am finding that a number of
people in my database are showing up as having an "unknown" parental
relationship with one or both parents. The problem persists when I
save/restore in various FTM versions but magically fixes itself (i.e.
parents become Natural again) when I export/import via GED.

Given that changing a parental relationship from the default Natural to
Unknown can only be done by using the People > Other Parents window, it
seems unlikely I have done this myself by accident to various random people
throughout my file.

Obviously one possibility is simply that my FTM2005 database got a bit
corrupted when my PC crashed or something.

But I am just curious if anyone else has encountered this phenomenon. The
way to test for it is:

View > Reports > Parentage

then

Contents > Individuals to Include > Individuals to Include

then
(to clear any people in the right hand window)
Find
Parental relationship (adopted ...)
Unknown
OK

Do you get any people being selected for the report (or at least any you
weren't expecting)?

Kerry

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one-name study with over 2000 LAPHAM amongst 3800 individuals and 1000 marriages

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[Hugh Watkins]

what is annoying
I would like two windows open on the same database
for comparison or viewing a report
whilst working on corrections

html editors do this all the time
with a browser
(the second browser window would need a reload button)

paradoxically it is easier to search

the online version
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lapham

and freesearch helps too

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id ... n=0&query=

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?oq ... search=all


you just put the world connect url into the web crawler's maw

Hugh W



On 7/13/05, Robert Heiling <[email protected]> wrote:

Kerry Raymond wrote:

I upgraded to FTM2005 a few months ago and am finding that a number of
people in my database are showing up as having an "unknown" parental
relationship with one or both parents. The problem persists when I
save/restore in various FTM versions but magically fixes itself (i.e.
parents become Natural again) when I export/import via GED.

Given that changing a parental relationship from the default Natural to
Unknown can only be done by using the People > Other Parents window, it
seems unlikely I have done this myself by accident to various random people
throughout my file.

Obviously one possibility is simply that my FTM2005 database got a bit
corrupted when my PC crashed or something.

But I am just curious if anyone else has encountered this phenomenon. The
way to test for it is:

View > Reports > Parentage

then

Contents > Individuals to Include > Individuals to Include

then
(to clear any people in the right hand window)
Find
Parental relationship (adopted ...)
Unknown
OK

Do you get any people being selected for the report (or at least any you
weren't expecting)?

I just tried that with one of the databases I have here and came up with
4 people. They are all children of the same couple and I'll assume that
there's some cleaning up necessary. This is in FTM 7.5

Bob

--
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=lapham
one-name study with over 2000 LAPHAM amongst 3800 individuals and 1000 marriages

soc_genealogy_britain_moderated
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sgbm?hl=en

My new photo blog
SNAPS http://slim2005.blogspot.com/