Payne Roet/Guyenne King of Arms Redux

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Payne Roet/Guyenne King of Arms Redux

Legg inn av Katheryn_Swynford » 11 des 2004 07:45:20

Hi,

Doing my periodic web search for anything new related to Payne Roet's
ancestry, I came across the following 1997 post to this group:

" The London Survey Committee monograph has:
"SIR PAYNE ROET, Guyenne King of Arms.... dates of appointment and
death
unrecorded; said to have granted arms 1334 to Thomas Andrews and
brothers,
but document is obvious fake; perhaps died c. 1352.
"ARMS: Gules three wheels or with a molet in fess point."
In representations for his daughter, these become _Catherine_
wheels."

This strikes me as curious:

(1) this "London Survey Committee monograph" cites Roet's arms as
"gules, three wheels or with a molet in fess point" whereas the editor
for the Harleian Society Publications reviewing the document gives the
arms as "gules, three Catherine wheels, or" YET the drawing
accompanying the text, presumably made upon someone actually looking at
the document's attached *wax* and hence untinctured seal shows merely
three plain wheels (1911 Harleian Society Publications: Vol. LXII,
1911, "The Visitation of the County of Warwick" 1682/3, ed. W. Harry
Rylands, pp. 154-5). No molet in fess point in either the description
or the drawing (made ca. 1682/3).

(2) Who is this group, why do they pronounce the Harleian MS to be an
"obvious fake", and does anybody have a full citation for this
'monograph'?

Any ideas?

Judy Perry
http://www.katherineswynford.net

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