Amerikaner søker all mulig help, både aner og etterkommere

[dn21920]

Jeg har blitt kontaktet av en amerikansk dame som ønsker seg hjelp til å finne sine røtter. i tillegg ønsker hun å se om hun kan ha slektninger som lever her i Norge. Jeg skal hjelpe henne, men tiden jeg har til rådighet er såpass snever at jeg etterspør hjelp her. Hun kommer på besøk 12-15 september i år og ønsker å treffe noen slektninger. Alså er det i underkant av 1 måned til hun kommer.

Hennes ane er Josefine Emilie Johansen, med dåp i Drøbak her: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-296

Familien til Josefine Emilie Johansens familie i 1900-tellinga er her: http://www.digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/we ... =2266#ovre

Foreldrenes vielse i 1875 i Frogn er her: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-98

Jeg skal underrette henne om at temaet er opprettet, så håper jeg at vi i fellesskap kan hjelpe henne her.

[Marit Lorvik Sørli]

Samme husstand i 1910 - tellinga :

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6365000015

Harald Oluf Johansen og David Johansen gravsted i Drøbak :

http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=3398795


Familien Johansens gravsted i Drøbak :

http://www.disnorge.no/gravminner/bilde.php?id=2304027

Kan se ut som verken David, Harald , Ingeborg eller Ruth var gift ....

[gj09303]

Hei

Da Oluf døde 8/4 1911 etterlot han sin kone og 7 barn:

Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27489/19/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 381119.jpg

Vivi

[gj09303]

Hei

Josefine dør 1931 og da listes alle barna opp.

Høyre side, 18/5:
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27490/28/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 381198.jpg

Vivi

[Marit Lorvik Sørli]

Oluf Johannessen og Josefine Amalie Hansdatter viet 28. november 1875
par nr 8
Kildeinformasjon: Akershus fylke, Drøbak i Drøbak, Ministerialbok nr. I 3 (1871-1877), Ekteviede 1875, side 91.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-98

[gj09303]

Hei

Pr 1931 bodde to av barna i USA.
Josefine og søsteren Agnes som var gift med Anders Almquist og bodde i Idaho Falls, USA.

Vivi

[Marit Lorvik Sørli]

Ruth Johansen bor Holbergsgt. 11 i Oslo i 1923-tellinga , som ugift Frelsesoffiser.

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... 19955#ovre

[gj09303]

Hei

Her er Johan i Schæffersgt 1.
På samme adresse bor en Gunnar Johansen - en sønn?

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Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 165707.jpg

[gj09303]

Hei

David døde 1/10 1931 og hadde ingen livsarvinger, men søsknene hans er listet opp.

Høyre side:
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/27490/29/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 381199.jpg

Vivi

[dn21920]

Dette er da voldsomt kjapt
Da blir det for meg å ta en tur på Byarkivet og se etter Gunnar i 1931-tellinga for Schæffers gate 1.

Oluf Johansen 8.10.1848-8.4.1911 og Josefine Amalie (Emilie) Hansdatter 8.5.1850-18.5.1931

Barn: David Johansen 1879-1931 ingen barn
Othilie Ingeborg 1882-1968 trolig ingen barn
Johan Christian ca. 1885-
Harald Oluf 1887-1975
Josefine Emilie 1890- g.m. Gunnar Strand bosatte seg i USA, 1931 i Brooklyn, New York
Ruth 1893-1975 ugift frelsesofficer
Agnes ? g.m. Anders Almquist, bosatte seg i Idaho (bodde der i 1931).

Tusen takk så langt!!

Agnes' dåp i 1878: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... dx_side=-4

[gj09303]

Hei

Johan Kristian giftet seg 1910 i Vestre Bærum.

Nr 9:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-148
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 010334.jpg

Han fikk datteren Ruth Solveig 27 november 1910. Hun døpes i Petrus.
Nr 46:
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 080209.jpg

Her er de i 1910 tellingen:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6392180014

Arne Gunnar ble født 20 nov. 1912.
Nr 73:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-99
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 100101.jpg

Vivi

[gj09303]

Hei

Dette er vel graven til Arne Gunnar og kona selvom det her står fødselsmåned desember.

http://www.begravdeioslo.no/maler/grav/grave_id/43274

Ved å ta kontakt med gravfester kan du finne slektninger.

Kanskje noen kan finne dødsannonsene deres i Aftenposten?

Vivi

[gj20074]

Hi, I am the American looking for my family. I am so shocked and excited to have all of you helping me! I have found out more in the last 2 days than I have in my whole life!

I have one correction for an earlier post. Josephine Emily Johansen married Gustav Emil Strand and moved to New York. They are my great grandparents. They had Harold Christian Strand, my grandfather.

I am so excited that you found the houses of my relatives. I will be staying in Grunerlokka right in the neighborhood of where they once lived! I saw the 1900 census from Drobak and saw the street address as Sydstrand, but I cannot find that on a modern map (google map). Does this street still exist, or did they rename the streets?

Also, I am wondering if there is any information on Gustav Emil Hausen Strand (Josephine's husband). All I know about him is that he left the entire family when they moved to New York, leaving my great grandmother as a single mom in the early 1900s. I always wondered about his history. I also know he was born in Holmstrand.

I saw the last post about Arne Gunnar's burial site. If that is the best link to finding relatives, I will follow that lead! Thanks so much again, I owe all of you so much! I cannot read Norwegian and have not been seeing these great resources all along. If there is a place in Oslo or Drobak that I can go to find more records (some library or historian) please let me know. I'm not sure where is the best place to start if I want to find the original records, or pictures, or how to find living relatives.

Thanks!

Rachel

[gj09303]

Hi

Do you know when Gustav Emil Strand was born?

I find a sailor by the name Gustav Emil Hansen Strand in Holmestrand in the norwegian 1910 census.
He is a sailor and in jail. His birthyear is 1893 with a ? so this year might be wrong. He was born in Botne which now is a part of Holmestand. But he is noted as "ug" and this means not married.

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6485001186

Did Josefine and Gustav marry in Norway?

Vivi

[dn21920]

I have sent an email to "Gravferdsetaten i Oslo" and hope to know who is renting the Grave.
When I get the answer I'll let you know.

Rachel's information about Gustav Emil Hausen Strand birthyear is 1893.
Hansen or Hansen, handwritten a "n" can very easy become an "U".

[dn21920]

Since we prefer to make topics to the right areas I have started a new topic about Gustav Emil Hausen Strand here.

[gj09303]

Hi

Then the man I found in the 1910 census is a strong candidate.

He was born in Holmestrand.
No 21:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-74
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 090074.jpg

His brother is found in an on-line family. The brother died in Drøbak 1966:
http://www.myheritage.no/person-3000066 ... sen-strand

Vivi

[gj09303]

Hi

Might this be Josefine Emilie in the 1910 census living with her brother in Oslo and with a wrong surname?:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6392180015

The same Josefine Emilie leaves Norway nov. 1915:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... erk=232073

On the same ship is Gustava Strand from Holmestrand. A sister of Gustav Emil???

Vivi

[gj09303]

Hi

Yes; Gustava Sofie is a sister of Gustav Emil.

No 20:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-97
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 090097.jpg

Vivi

[gj09303]

Hi

Josefine Mikalsen is going to a friend Karen Johansen in New York.
Gustava is going to her sister Karen Johansen in New York.

Here the manifest about Josefine, line 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-2443\\T715-24430384.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=103096070150&name=Josefine%26nbsp%3BMikaelsen&doa=Dec+04%2C+1915&port=Christiania&line=0001

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... exe%3FT%3D\\\\192.168.100.11\\images\\T715-2443\\T715-24430383.TIF%26S%3D.5&pID=103096070150&name=Josefine%26nbsp%3BMikaelsen&doa=Dec+04%2C+1915&port=Christiania&line=0001

Vivi

[dn21920]

Now I am exited too...

I have just had a call with the person who pay for Gunnar Arne and Klara Johanne's grave.
A very nice person to talk with. He is related to you, Rackel, and had very much informations, pictures, letters etc...
He told me he is still the owner of the house in Sydstranden. The adress is now Strandveien 24. He is planning to sell it now, and emotionally he told it have taken him about 3 years to decide to sell it.

http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/home ... e=41425814

He mentioned a girl, Sabrina, neighter he nor I know who she is. Perhaps You do know her?

He asked for your email adress, he could even call you, but most of all he wanted to meet you.
As I said he is a very nice person, and he would very much like to meet me too.

If you want to make contact with him, please leave me contact info in a PM here, or write me an email.

[gj20074]

I am in total shock right now, and I cannot believe this! You all have completely made my mother and I so happy, and I cannot tell you how much this means to us!! We have been waiting decades to know if there is family out there!

What is the man's name who you spoke with?

My email is [email protected]
Please tell him to email me as soon as he can. I would love to meet him and get photos!



Also, everything about Gustav you have above is correct. He was born in 1893 and I thought he married Josephine in Norway before they got to America. I didn't know he was in jail as a sailor? Amazing.

[Laila Normann Christiansen]

Egentlig skulle vi ha endret tittelen på dette innlegget, men det er såpass mye info som kommer fram og forskjellige personer.

Jeg lar, som moderator - tittelen stå slik til saken er "ferdig behandlet" for nå.

[dn30219]

Kanskje noen kan finne dødsannonsene deres i Aftenposten?

Vivi suggested that someone could try to find Gunnar's and Klara's death notices in the Oslo newspaper Aftenposten.

I have found the two death notices, should I publish them here?

[Laila Normann Christiansen]

Do that, Trond. If the living relatives are living, only their first names are listed, so it should be ok.

[dn30219]

Do that, Trond. If the living relatives are living, only their first names are listed, so it should be ok.

[dn21920]

Rolf Johan Johansen (1919-2004) took the Surname Jansmork.
Rolf was married to Karen (1920-1999).
They're burried in Vestre Gravlund. Oslo, Norway.

Rachel, have You been in contact with the person I gave you email adress to?

Trond: kan du legge ut det samme for Rolf Johan Jansmork som døde 12.6.2004?
Og det samme for kona, Karen, som døde 31.10.1999?

[gj20074]

Yes, I have made contact with Eddy Johansen! We emailed back and forth twice, and I told him I would call him tomorrow morning 8/21. I will let the forum know what happens.

Also, who is Rolf and Karen?

Thanks, Rachel

[dn21920]

Oki, just do not write anything about living persons.

Johan Christian Johansen (ca. 1885 - ?) and his wife Josefine Fredrikke Nilsen (1886 - ?)
got 3 children.
Ruth Solveig Johansen (1910 - ?)
Arne Gunnar, or Gunnar Arne Johansen ( 1912-1975)
Rolf Johan Johansen (1919-2004).

Rolf Johan Johansen changed his Surname into Jansmork. He married Karen.
Arne Gunnar, or Gunnar Arne (he used this name him self) is Eddy's ancestor. Rolf Johan is Eddy's Uncle.

Here is their grave: http://www.begravdeioslo.no/resultat/na ... rt_order/1
The headings are: Grave Number - Name - Name of the Graveyard - Born - Dead.

Do you use any Genealogy Software?

[dn30219]

Trond: kan du legge ut det samme for Rolf Johan Jansmork som døde 12.6.2004?
Og det samme for kona, Karen, som døde 31.10.1999?

Rolf Johan's death notice was published in Aftenposten on June 15, 2004. Karen's death notice was published in the same newspaper on November 3, 1999. I prefer not to post the two death notices here, since they're not very old. I'm sure you understand.

[dn21920]

Trond: kan du legge ut det samme for Rolf Johan Jansmork som døde 12.6.2004?
Og det samme for kona, Karen, som døde 31.10.1999?

Rolf Johan's death notice was published in Aftenposten on June 15, 2004. Karen's death notice was published in the same newspaper on November 3, 1999. I prefer not to post the two death notices here, since they're not very old. I'm sure you understand.

May I ask you to send to my PM-box here? And to Rachel's as well?

[dn30219]

May I ask you to send to my PM-box here? And to Rachel's as well?

Mission complete

[gj20074]

Henning- I use ancestry.com for my family tree.

I spoke to Eddy on the phone yesterday and he agreed to meet with me, show me around Drobak, see the gravesite and the farmhouse, and even take me to Holmstrand! We are going to exchange photos from the separated families too! I can't thank you all enough for getting me in touch with him and his family!
I don't know if I should look for more records when I'm there or if the electronic records are the best I will get? I am interested in seeing Gustav's jail and house but I cannot figure out the address.

I found out Sabrina is from Agnes' side, but I don't know anything about them.

Rachel

[dn21920]

In one way or another we're related too. I am consentrated to do Research in Drobak and the areas around.

I Guess this must be Johan Christian Michaelsen's christning:
father:Michael Christophersen
mother:Johanne Hansdr

Name Johan Christian Michaelsen
Gender Male
Event Date01 Dec 1817
Event Place SAANER, AKERSHUS, NORWAY
Birth Date 28 Nov 1817

[dn21920]

...men å finne den dåpen er ikke så enkelt.

[gj09303]

Hei

Her er han; nr 1

Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-60
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Vivi

[dn21920]

Tusen takk, Vivi. Da skal vi over til Vestby.

[gj09303]

Hei

Innførselen sto blant de døpte i "Sogner annex" i Vestby.

Her er første siden med dåpsinnførsler som gjalt annex-sognet:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-46
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 060329.jpg

Vivi

[dn21920]

Tusen takk, Vivi, der er han på plass ja.
Jeg har vært bortreist og hadde bare mobilen å hjelpe meg med, og å lese kirkebøker på en 5 tommers skjerm blir ikke lett.
Jeg har valgt å fortsette temaet under Vestby: her