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Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 17 jun 2013 16:02:40

Hi,

I am looking for information on:

Oscar Sande
Born 15 Nov 1877
Place of birth: Lonsberg? Tonsberg? Tønsberg?

I am not sure of the spelling and can not find a birth record in Tønsberg, Vestfold.

Any ideas?

Thank you!

Brian
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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 17 jun 2013 16:34:07

Hi

No sure, but there is a Hans Oscar born Nov 15, 1877 in Sande not so very far from Tønsberg.

No 38:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-87
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 650426.jpg

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 17 jun 2013 17:49:26

Hi

This is most likely Hans Oskar in the Norwegian 1910 census. (No other Hans Olsen born Nov 15, 1877 in Sande):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6492003966

Unless your Oscar left Norway after 1910, this is not him.

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 17 jun 2013 18:17:04

Hi Vivi,

Thank you for your help! I will look at this and see if it fits. "Oscar Sandy" Shows up in the 1920 and 1940 census in Alaska. The 1920 census says he arrived in America in 1898 - but I can't find him before 1920 so it may be wrong.

Brian

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The Oscar Sande/Sandy/Sandey from Alaska was listed as single in 1920 and 1940. I don't think this is him.

Brian

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 17 jun 2013 21:09:50

Could be from Sande, Nøtterøy, just outside Tønsberg.
Will try to check that out.

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 17 jun 2013 21:31:50

I found one Ole Kristian Sanne born on that date.
He was confirmed in Nøtterøy in 1892. Number 15 in the records. Born at Sanderydningen.

It is possible that Ole Kristian could be Oscar in America

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-374

(I have some ancestors myself who lived at Sande in Nøtterøy, but that was about one hundred years earlier)

Tove DJ

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj04741 » 17 jun 2013 21:55:27

Tove skrev:I found one Ole Kristian Sanne born on that date.
He was confirmed in Nøtterøy in 1892. Number 15 in the records. Born at Sanderydningen.

It is possible that Ole Kristian could be Oscar in America

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-374

(I have some ancestors myself who lived at Sande in Nøtterøy, but that was about one hundred years earlier)

Tove DJ


Hi,
I guess it is this is the same Ole that is listed as being a goald digger in Amerika in the 1900 census,
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&filnamn=f00722&personpostnr=5072&merk=5072

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 17 jun 2013 22:14:10

Take a look at this census 1900 for Nøtterøy:

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 031&lnr=00

Ole Sanne - occupation: Guldgraver (gold digger / gold miner) - unmarried

Parents: Anton Øhre and Ingeborg Øhre

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 18 jun 2013 07:47:37

And here is Anton Julius born Nøtterøy 1848 (= father of Ole Kristian / Oscar) - number 75 in the records

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-51

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 18 jun 2013 08:00:20

And here is the family on the 1865 census
http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 088&lnr=00

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 18 jun 2013 08:27:35

Thank you very much for your help Tove and Arna!

The Ole Kristian Sanne does look interesting! I see he had children born in Nøtterøy in 1897 and 1899:

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... &merk=1331

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... &merk=2261

This is interesting because the "Oskar Sande/Sandy" I am looking for is supposed to have come to America in 1898. Since the census says he was in America in 1900, it is possible.

Also, Oskar lived in Alaska in 1920 and 1940. a good place for a "gold diggger"!

Tusen takk!

Brian
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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 18 jun 2013 10:05:38

Hi

The mother of Ole (Oscar?) dies june 22, 1913. She leaves one son behind: Ole Øhre in Amerika.

No 38:
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/55598/42/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 270043.jpg

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 18 jun 2013 11:48:53

Thanks Vivi,

This is a very confusing family!

I am looking for the children of Ole Kristian Sanne in the 1910 census:

Rudolf, born 7 Sep 1897
Olga Alfrida, born 28 Sep 1899

(Links posted above)

Here is Olga Alfrida:

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... &merk=2261

Now, here is ANOTHER Olga Alfrida, the partents have the same names:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb ... 0005965428

This Olga was born in 1889, so can not be the son of Ole Kristian Sanne born 1877.

Brian

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 18 jun 2013 11:55:41

I found Rudolf living as a foster son in 1910:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6502004061

And Olga living as a foster daughter:

http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 6502004211


This makes me think that Ole Kristian Sanne (born 1877) did not return from America.

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 18 jun 2013 12:02:07

Hi

The Ole Kristian Sanne who had children born at Nøtterøy was born 1859 and was married.

No 14:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-268
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030268.jpg

Vivi

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 18 jun 2013 12:06:01

I see now that the Ole Kristian Sanne, father of Rudolf and Olga, was born in 1859.

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Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Nøtterøy i Nøtterøy, Ministerialbok nr. I 9 (1894-1907), Fødte og døpte 1897, side 42.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-59

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 18 jun 2013 12:06:42

Thanks Vivi - you were faster than I was!

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 18 jun 2013 12:09:37

I think now I will try to see if the Hans Oscar Olsen from Sande in your first post might have left Norway and gone to America.

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 18 jun 2013 12:13:23

Hi

:D

The place-name at the registration-card actually looks more like Jonsberg than Tonsberg.
There is a place (farm?) in Hedmark called Jønsberg. And there is a farm by the name Sande in the area
But I have been looking for an Oscar/Oskar born 1877, and have not found him.

Are there any other information leading us to the Vestfold area?

Vivi

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 18 jun 2013 13:21:10

The only info I have on him showing where he is from, is the WWII registration posted above. The census records only say "Norway".

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj04741 » 18 jun 2013 13:52:31

Hi,
If he married in the US, the marriage record might reveal his fathers name… or his naturalization record or even death certificate might reveal his fathers name

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 18 jun 2013 14:59:57

I have a very strong feeling that the Ole Kristian Sanne who was born in Nøtterøy on the right date must be the man you are looking for.

In 1900 he was back in Norway, but he had been a gold digger in America and probably went back to America. Just home for a visit.

His mother was Ingeborg Øhre and when she died in 1913 she left one son - Ole Øhre in America.

If he is mentioned as Ole Sanne or Ole Øhre - I would not worry too much about that.

Tove DJ

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 18 jun 2013 16:10:11

Hi

Ole Kristian Sanne was not in Norway according to the 1900 census.
His temporary residence was Amerika - and he probably didn't come back.

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... &merk=5072

Vivi

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 18 jun 2013 19:21:35

Yes of course you are right - he is listed as f which stands for fraværende (= absent) on the 1900 census for Nøtterøy on the digital archive.
(I checked the census on the Registreringssentral for historiske data)

Tove DJ

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 19 jun 2013 00:33:06

Hi

The father of Ole died 1910, but unfortunately the "Dødsfallprotokoll" on-line starts 1911...

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... k=277#ovre

I have not found the emigration of Ole. He probably left from Tønsberg as a sailor (my guess). His father was a sailor/captain. His emigration might have told us where he was going.

Here is a family-tree with Ole Kristian. He had two siblings:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... html#head2

Brother Nils died very young:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... k=952#ovre

Sister Alma died 1894:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... rk=76#ovre
Only her parents are mentioned in the Dødsfallprotokoll:
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/55596/55/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 223056.jpg

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 19 jun 2013 07:00:26

Yes, I agree that Ole (Oscar?) was probably a sailor who "jumped ship" - Tove DJ

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Legg inn av 6146 » 19 jun 2013 16:46:32

To clear up about Ole Kristian (or Christian) Sanne.

There were two of them!

The Ole Christian Sanne (Sande) born 1859 was the uncle of the Ole Kristian Sanne (Sande) born 15th November 1877 at Sande, Nøtterøy, Vestfold. He was the brother of his mother.

If a person was from Sande, Nøtterøy - this is located so close to Tønsberg that in America he would probably give Tønsberg as the place of his birth.

The book Nøtterøy. Gårds- og slektshistorie. Volume II by Sigurd H. Unneberg (published 1971) mentions on page 1030 that Anton Julius and Ingeborg lived many years abroad. I found that information interesting.The occcupation of Anton Julius was "skipsfører" = captain of a ship.

Tove DJ

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 6146 » 19 jun 2013 16:54:06

Information on Nøtterøy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%B8tter%C3%B8y

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 20 jun 2013 00:39:08

Hi

There is an on-line Bygdebok from Nøtterøy.
http://www.vestfold-slekt.net/notteroy/bygdebok/

I agree that someone born at Nøtterøy might write Tønsberg as birthplace.
But I don't quite understand why Ole Kristian should use Oscar as his name and not his own name which works well in English.

Vivi

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 23856 » 20 jun 2013 01:43:47

Oskar could be a short name for both Ole and Kristian = Oskar? Easier to say Oskar than Ole Kristian? Many people changed their name radically when they came over to Amerika.

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 20 jun 2013 12:30:53

Thank you all very much for your help! I also think that Ole Kristian is Oskar. Now, I wish I could find him in America in 1900 or 1910! It also looks like he was not recorded leaving the parish. I wonder where he left Norway from?

Brian

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 20 jun 2013 13:30:39

Hi

He most likely left from Tønsberg.
If he left as a sailor, he could have found work on one of the ships leaving from Tønsberg.

As far as I know there are lists over sailors in Tønsberg, but unfortunately not (yet?) on-line.
(I have looked for him in the listings from Oslo without luck)

The listing of sailors from the area Buskerud and Vestfold are sold on a CD:
http://vf.disnorge.no/sjoinnrullerings-journaler

If Ole Kristian is Oscar or not he (or they) should be found in the censuses in US.

Vivi

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 23856 » 20 jun 2013 20:54:27

Hi

In census 1920 it says that the people on the list is abroad to fish, and Oscar was fisherman in 1940 and still single.

That means that Oscar went over from gold digging to fishing somewhen between 1900 and 1920.

I have not manage to find censuses of 1900, 1910 and 1930. Could it be because of his fisherman occupation, that he was not home at the enumination time?

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 23856 » 20 jun 2013 21:07:31

Hi again

Ole Kristian (Oscar) got at least 5 :!: children in Norway:

Ole Kristian Sanne
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
spouse:Anna Marie Hansen
child:Olga Alfrida Sanne
born 24 Dec 1889
bapt. 26 Jan 1890 in Nøtterøy


Ole Kristian Sanne
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
spouse:Anna Marie Hansen
child:Rudolf Ingevard Sanne
born 14 Apr 1892
bapt. 12 Jun 1892 in Nøtterøy


Ole Kristian Sanne
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
spouse:Anna Marie Hansen
child:Dagny Synove Sanne
born 18 March 1894
bapt. 1894 in Nøtterøy


Ole Kristian Sanne
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
spouse:Anna Marie Hansen
child:Irma Ruth Sanne
born 1895
bapt. 1895


Ole Kristian Sanne
Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927
spouse:Anna Marie Hansen
child:Rudolf Sanne
born 7 Sep 1897
bapt. 19 Oct 1897 in Nøtterøy

3 of them have may be died as babies?

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 23856 » 20 jun 2013 21:15:21

Hmm... the birth date of Olga Alfrida given in the confirmation record is not matchin the birth date listed above.

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... &merk=2261
(this was recognized earlier)

Also look at the note for Rudolf in the confirmation record:
K: + 1/12 1919 paasykehus i Marseile. (on hospital in Marseile, France).

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... &merk=1331

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 20 jun 2013 23:31:02

Hi

This is the children of another Ole Kristian Sanne. He was born 1859 and is the uncle of "our" Ole Kristian.
See Tove's posting.

Vivi

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 23856 » 21 jun 2013 19:38:45

Does that means that the younger Ole Kristian did not have any children?

Vigdis

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj05515 » 23 jun 2013 06:59:38

Hi and thank you again,

the younger Ole Kristian had a daughter in America - but it is a big family secret
that only the children of Ole's daughter know. That is why there is so little information
about him known. The town in Alaska where "Oscar Sandey" lived in 1942 is so small
that only 6 men were registered for the World War II draft there.

The biggest Problem now is that I can't find him in the 1900 or 1910 census. I have
tried every Name combination I can think of, but no luck. Since he was a "gold digger" in the 1900 Norwegian census, I would think he was in Alaska then already.

Thanks again for all the help you have given me!

Brian

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av gj09303 » 24 jun 2013 00:02:07

H

If Ole Kristian is Oscar he might also have used Anthonsen/Antonsen or Nielsen/Nelson or Øhre/Ohre as surname.
When his mother died 1913 he was named Ole Kristian Øhre.

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Re: Lonsberg ?

Legg inn av 23856 » 26 jun 2013 18:36:35

Brian skrev:Hi and thank you again,

the younger Ole Kristian had a daughter in America - but it is a big family secret
that only the children of Ole's daughter know. That is why there is so little information
about him known. The town in Alaska where "Oscar Sandey" lived in 1942 is so small
that only 6 men were registered for the World War II draft there.

The biggest Problem now is that I can't find him in the 1900 or 1910 census. I have
tried every Name combination I can think of, but no luck. Since he was a "gold digger" in the 1900 Norwegian census, I would think he was in Alaska then already.

Thanks again for all the help you have given me!

Brian


When and where is the daugther born? Could this be a trace of his residence in the beginning of the 1900 century?

Vigdis

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