Fw: C.P. Correction: Pernel de Crey, wife of Robert Fitz Wal

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Leo van de Pas

Fw: C.P. Correction: Pernel de Crey, wife of Robert Fitz Wal

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 03 des 2004 21:01:01

Wriggling out of admitting an oversight or error has become an artform for
Douglas Richardson. "Petty"? Who is petty? "Dear Rosie, you have to stroke
my ego before I can be bothered to come down from my cloud to answer your
observation." How petty can you get? At least he did not enquire whether she
had her knickers in a twist.

Rosie, in my opinion, was striving at exellence, fitz is son of, Fitz is a
surname, surely there is a difference? Any professional genealogist should
be striving at excellence. Lately, more and more discussions seem to wonder
about the excellence of professional and trained historian and genealogist
Douglas Richardson.

I know the judges are still out on his book, and I would love to be able to
read their reviews and then we can wonder about petty.

As he is a trained historian and genealogist, I think Douglas Richardson
should apologise to Rosie Bevan and, for once, give an answer and not a
sneer.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia



----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Pernel de Crey, wife of Robert Fitz Walter of
Daventry


rbevan@paradise.net.nz (Rosie Bevan) wrote in message
news:<05ba01c4d911$7e25bb90$cd00a8c0@rosie>...
I'm not sure why you've capitalised 'Fitz' in copying this charter, but
it
should be 'fitz' as in the Daventry cartulary. Robert's father was
Walter
son of Simon, and Robert's son was known as Walter son of Robert, as
implied
by 'fitz'. Fitz Walter was not their surname and is not capitalised in
CP,
as you have it, either.

Rosie

Dear Rosie ~

Before posting such a petty comment such as this, I think it would be
appropriate if you first thanked me for finding and sharing the
correction to Complete Peerage. So, how about if we start over. You
can repost and say "Thank you for your good post, Douglas." Then I
will follow up by saying "You're welcome" and then comment on your
pettiness.

If you fail to say thanks, people might think you are only looking to
find fault in my posts. And, I shudder to think they might be right.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah


John Higgins

Re: C.P. Correction: Pernel de Crey, wife of Robert Fitz Wal

Legg inn av John Higgins » 03 des 2004 21:51:01

I agree entirely with Leo's comments. Richardson's response to Rosie was
boorish and out-of-line. Opinions may differ as to Richardson's
capabilities as a "trained professional genealogist", but he shows by these
remarks that he is certainly no gentleman or even a decent human being. He
deserves whatever scorn he gets after exchanges like this. Hardly an example
of "collegial" behavior - but for Richardson collegiality is a one-way
street.

And, by the way, how about a "thank you for your good post" from Richardson
to all of us who have pointed out omissions and errors in RPA/PA3?

I agree with Leo - a public apology is in order. But I won't hold my
breath....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo van de Pas" <leovdpas@netspeed.com.au>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Fw: C.P. Correction: Pernel de Crey, wife of Robert Fitz Walter of
Daventry


Wriggling out of admitting an oversight or error has become an artform for
Douglas Richardson. "Petty"? Who is petty? "Dear Rosie, you have to
stroke
my ego before I can be bothered to come down from my cloud to answer your
observation." How petty can you get? At least he did not enquire whether
she
had her knickers in a twist.

Rosie, in my opinion, was striving at exellence, fitz is son of, Fitz is
a
surname, surely there is a difference? Any professional genealogist should
be striving at excellence. Lately, more and more discussions seem to
wonder
about the excellence of professional and trained historian and genealogist
Douglas Richardson.

I know the judges are still out on his book, and I would love to be able
to
read their reviews and then we can wonder about petty.

As he is a trained historian and genealogist, I think Douglas Richardson
should apologise to Rosie Bevan and, for once, give an answer and not a
sneer.
Best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia



----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Richardson" <royalancestry@msn.com
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: C.P. Correction: Pernel de Crey, wife of Robert Fitz Walter
of
Daventry


rbevan@paradise.net.nz (Rosie Bevan) wrote in message
news:<05ba01c4d911$7e25bb90$cd00a8c0@rosie>...
I'm not sure why you've capitalised 'Fitz' in copying this charter,
but
it
should be 'fitz' as in the Daventry cartulary. Robert's father was
Walter
son of Simon, and Robert's son was known as Walter son of Robert, as
implied
by 'fitz'. Fitz Walter was not their surname and is not capitalised in
CP,
as you have it, either.

Rosie

Dear Rosie ~

Before posting such a petty comment such as this, I think it would be
appropriate if you first thanked me for finding and sharing the
correction to Complete Peerage. So, how about if we start over. You
can repost and say "Thank you for your good post, Douglas." Then I
will follow up by saying "You're welcome" and then comment on your
pettiness.

If you fail to say thanks, people might think you are only looking to
find fault in my posts. And, I shudder to think they might be right.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah



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