CP XIV for sale anywhere?

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Doug McDonald

CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 27 nov 2004 17:35:36

Ouy library has finally and totally decided not to buy CP
v. XIV.

So now I find it "not available" at amazon.com or Barnes and Noble web site.

It is listed as "limited" availability at http://www.amazon.co.uk. HAs anybody
tried buying such a thing from them? Is it worrth a try? Is there
talk of another printing?

Doug McDonald

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 17:35:37

Why did your library make such a dumb decision?

Try the publisher in Britain -- Sutton Publishing.

That's where I got mine.

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:coaaco$fnf$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

| Our library has finally and totally decided not to buy CP v. XIV.
|
| So now I find it "not available" at amazon.com or Barnes and Noble web
site.
|
| It is listed as "limited" availability at http://www.amazon.co.uk. HAs
anybody
| tried buying such a thing from them? Is it worrth a try? Is there
| talk of another printing?
|
| Doug McDonald

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 17:35:37

Yep.

So there is no library bureaucracy to fight for it.

Our Honolulu Public Library, originally funded by Andrew Carnegie, is
staffed with a fairly typical blend of left-wing women and gormless men,
whose gender is often hard to distinguish.

They consider Genealogy to be "Elitist" and fair for rejection
out-of-hand on that score alone.

Fortunately, the DAR bought up a number of classic genealogy books a
generation ago and donated them to the library. But they are not buying
many new books -- and no journals at all.

I understand their point of view. If your grandparents or
great-grandparents came to Hawai'i in the late 19th or early 20th
Century as illiterate plantation workers from Japan -- and you haven't
any interest in tracing them further -- and don't even speak Japanese --
it's hard to see why library funds should be spent for idle, amusing
haoles who are trying to find a link to Charlemagne.

In Genealogy, I've found that Billie Holiday was right.

God Bless The Child That Has His Own.

So, I buy my own books and journals.

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:coad37$gfj$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

| D. Spencer Hines wrote:

| > Why did your library make such a dumb decision?
|
|
| Because there is no "Department of Genealogy".
|
| It's very hard to get them to get books that
| are not trivially available through their own
| "usual sources". To do so usually requires
| somebody to ask for a book for their own
| official research. I can get a "cheap" ($75) in
| print book on Somerled, or something in print on DNA
| for genealogy, but not this.
|
| We are the largest state University library in the US,
| and except compared to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and LOC and NY Public
| Library are major league (If I recall correctly, we are 6th overall)
| and do have a very good English collection and pretty good
| Scottish one (for genealogy) but the library is book-purchase
| poor these days. It is putting its eggs into the journal basket,
| and that's the correct thing.
|
| Doug McDonald

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 17:35:37

"[COKAYNE, G.E.]. THE COMPLETE PEERAGE Vol. XIV. Ed. Peter Hammond.
1998. 871pp. The long-awaited later volume is an Addenda & Corrigenda to
the whole work & brings all the Peerages down to 1995, including new
peers created since 1938. [59] $B!W(B95.00"

http://www.heraldrytoday.co.uk/peerage_royalty.htm

95 pounds is pricey. I got it for far less than that. But I suppose
it's a sellers' market today.

DSH

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 17:35:37

Great!

Well, I hope you got a good price.

Cheers,

Spencer

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:coaec2$gqg$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

| D. Spencer Hines wrote:
|
| > Why did your library make such a dumb decision?
| >
| > Try the publisher in Britain -- Sutton Publishing.
|
|
| Thanks Spencer ... they claim in stock, so I ordered it.
|
| So now I have all of CP ordered for a Christmas present for me.
|
| Doug

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 17:35:37

Wonderful!

Congratulations!

Librarians are VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE -- even left-wing or gormless ones.

DSH

""Tony Hoskins"" <hoskins@sonoma.lib.ca.us> wrote in message
news:s1a84e9d.048@CENTRAL_SVR2...

| >Our Honolulu Public Library, originally funded by Andrew Carnegie,
| >is staffed with a fairly typical blend of left-wing women
| >and gormless men, whose gender is often hard to distinguish.
|
| You all should come visit MY library! Nobody gormless, gender
| indistinguishable, or otherwise objectionable here. And a GREAT
| collection.
|
| Anthony Hoskins
| History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
| History and Genealogy Library
| Sonoma County Library
| 3rd and E Streets
| Santa Rosa, California 95404
|
| 707/545-0831, ext. 562

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 17:35:37

What's the -3?

Academic Discount?

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:coag07$h98$2@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

| D. Spencer Hines wrote:
|
| > Great!
| >
| > Well, I hope you got a good price.
| >
|
|
| The price is the price .... 95 - 3 + 5 = 97 pounds.
|
| A very expensive book.
|
| Doug

Chris Phillips

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 27 nov 2004 17:58:29

Doug McDonald wrote:
Ouy library has finally and totally decided not to buy CP
v. XIV.

So now I find it "not available" at amazon.com or Barnes and Noble web
site.

It is listed as "limited" availability at http://www.amazon.co.uk. HAs anybody
tried buying such a thing from them? Is it worrth a try? Is there
talk of another printing?


You could try the publishers at distribution@sutton

Their website seems to be seriously broken at the moment, but perhaps you
could reach a human being via email.

Chris Phillips

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 18:04:42

Thanks.

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:coailu$ht4$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

| D. Spencer Hines wrote:
|
| > What's the -3?
| >
| > Academic Discount?
|
|
| No, it's just "there" ... maybe buying direct from
| publisher.
|
| Doug

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 18:10:03

There's also a neat little Brief History of the Complete Peerage in
Volume XIV -- and a portrait of G.E. Cokayne himself -- who looks
remarkably like Monty Wooley, Cole Porter's good buddy.

DSH

Chris Phillips

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 27 nov 2004 18:10:42

I wrote:
You could try the publishers at distribution@sutton


Sorry, that link as given on their website doesn't really make much sense,
as it links to the email address sales@haynes.co.uk (don't ask me why!).

In case that's no help, here's the complete contact section from their
website, interpreted as necessary:

Distribution for company enquiries concerning book distribution.
distribution@sutton [links to: sales@haynes.co.uk]
Trade Only Sales for Sutton Publishing business partners (retailers
etc.) enquiring about books and orders. sales@sutton-publishing.co.uk
Business Enquiries for company enquiries, including all business
proposals, and Marketing issues.
sales@sutton-publishing.co.uk
International Business for overseas company enquiries, including all
business proposals, marketing issues and overseas business partners
(retailers etc.) enquiring about books and orders.
exports@sutton [links to export@haynes.co.uk]
Inspection copy (USA) for organisations in the USA wishing to request
inspection copies.
custserv@nbnbooks.com
Website Issues for visitors wishing to report problems they may have
experienced using this website and other, non-product related issues.
webmaster@haynes.co.uk
Any other questions? in the event that your question does not fall into
any of the above categories.
publishing@sutton-publishing.co.uk
Telephone/fax contacts (between the hours of 8.30am - 5.30pm Monday -
Friday)
Telephone Fax
Customer services +44 (0) 1963 442030 +44 (0) 1963 440001
Main switchboard +44 (0) 1453 731114 +44 (0) 1453 731117
Website +44 (0) 1963 442076 +44 (0) 1963 440908
Distribution +44 (0) 1963 440635 +44 (0) 1963 440001
Mail address

Sutton Publishing, Phoenix Mill, Thrupp, Stroud, Gloucestershire GL5 2BU,
United Kingdom

Evidently they're still trying the get the hang of this tricky html
business!

Chris Phillips

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 27 nov 2004 18:15:18

In message of 27 Nov, Doug McDonald <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote:

Ouy library has finally and totally decided not to buy CP
v. XIV.

So now I find it "not available" at amazon.com or Barnes and Noble web site.

It is listed as "limited" availability at http://www.amazon.co.uk. HAs anybody
tried buying such a thing from them? Is it worrth a try? Is there
talk of another printing?

Bring out the cavalry? Try Heraldry Today who actually have it on sale
at:

http://www.heraldrytoday.co.uk/peerage_royalty.htm

I even remember them talking about contacts with the publishers so they
may be able to answer your questions. Before now they groaned to me
that not enough of CP were printed at the last reprint.

Of course they may be more expensive than the likes of Amazon but they
do hold books that others won't touch so it is worth supporting them.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 27 nov 2004 18:18:47

You need all 14 volumes.

Volume XII has TWO large parts.

So, in effect there are 15 "volumes."

DSH

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:000a01c4d4b3$7c3689c0$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...

| Hi,
|
| I have been following this thread and have a question. Is this just
| one of 14 volumes and I would have 13 other volumes to buy or is this
| just the latest edition that has been updated, etc. and I only need
| XIV? Could someone explain? If this is only 1 of 14 books that I
| would have to purchase, then the price in US $ would be extremely
| high.
|
| Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 27 nov 2004 18:21:43

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Why did your library make such a dumb decision?


Because there is no "Department of Genealogy".

It's very hard to get them to get books that
are not trivially available through their own
"usual sources". To do so usually requires
somebody to ask for a book for their own
official research. I can get a "cheap" ($75) in
print book on Somerled, or something in print on DNA
for genealogy, but not this.

We are the largest state University library in the US,
and except compared to Harvard, Yale, Princeton and LOC and NY Public
Library are major league (If I recall correctly, we are 6th overall)
and do have a very good English collection and pretty good
Scottish one (for genealogy) but the library is book-purchase
poor these days. It is putting its eggs into the journal basket,
and that's the correct thing.

Doug McDonald

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 27 nov 2004 18:43:30

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Why did your library make such a dumb decision?

Try the publisher in Britain -- Sutton Publishing.


Thanks Spencer ... they claim in stock, so I ordered it.

So now I have all of CP ordered for a Christmas present for me.

Doug

Tony Hoskins

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Tony Hoskins » 27 nov 2004 19:01:02

Our Honolulu Public Library, originally funded by Andrew Carnegie, is
staffed with a fairly typical blend of left-wing women and gormless men,

whose gender is often hard to distinguish.

You all should come visit MY library! Nobody gormless, gender
indistinguishable, or otherwise objectionable here. And a GREAT
collection.

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
History and Genealogy Library
Sonoma County Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 27 nov 2004 19:10:23

Chris Phillips wrote:

I wrote:

You could try the publishers at distribution@sutton



I googled for Sutton Publishing and it gave me a
working web site that allowed me to order the book.

First time, first line, no fuss.

Google is your friend.

Doug McDonald

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 27 nov 2004 19:11:19

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Great!

Well, I hope you got a good price.



The price is the price .... 95 - 3 + 5 = 97 pounds.

A very expensive book.

Doug

Chris Phillips

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Chris Phillips » 27 nov 2004 19:14:46

Doug McDonald wrote:
I googled for Sutton Publishing and it gave me a
working web site that allowed me to order the book.

Evidently it was a browser (in)compatibility problem I encountered.

Being infected by a worm owing to an unpatched vulnerability in Internet
Explorer was the last straw for me, and I switched to Firefox a few days
ago.

Sutton's is the first website I've seen that hasn't displayed correctly
under Firefox.

Chris Phillips

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 27 nov 2004 19:21:40

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Yep.

So there is no library bureaucracy to fight for it.

Our Honolulu Public Library, originally funded by Andrew Carnegie, is
staffed with a fairly typical blend of left-wing women and gormless men,
whose gender is often hard to distinguish.


We have no gender distinction problem. The guys do tend to be
rather thin-looking but at least the one I recognize on teh street, you
do NOT want to try a bicycle race with him, unless you like losing.

The problem is not "genealogy" per se it is the combination
of a "homeless" discipline and a book that does not magically
appear on the web site of their "annointed" library source
book dealer. If it were an "annointed" book, no problem. Just give
them the ISBN.

Doug McDonald

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 27 nov 2004 19:57:02

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

What's the -3?

Academic Discount?


No, it's just "there" ... maybe buying direct from
publisher.

Doug

Gjest

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 nov 2004 20:11:01

In a message dated 11/27/2004 11:01:34 AM Pacific Standard Time,
macduff@infionline.net writes:

I have been following this thread and have a question. Is this just
one of 14 volumes and I would have 13 other volumes to buy or is this
just the latest edition that has been updated, etc. and I only need
XIV? Could someone explain? If this is only 1 of 14 books that I
would have to purchase, then the price in US $ would be extremely
high.

Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

Yes one volume :)
The set I -XIII is itself over two thousand pages (thus bound in SIX books)
and in addition the text is microscoped to get it all into just six books. So
yes its just volume 14 not everything collected.
Will

Sue J

RE: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Sue J » 27 nov 2004 20:11:01

Hi,

I have been following this thread and have a question. Is this just
one of 14 volumes and I would have 13 other volumes to buy or is this
just the latest edition that has been updated, etc. and I only need
XIV? Could someone explain? If this is only 1 of 14 books that I
would have to purchase, then the price in US $ would be extremely
high.

Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug McDonald [mailto:mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu]
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:10 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Chris Phillips wrote:

I wrote:

You could try the publishers at distribution@sutton



I googled for Sutton Publishing and it gave me a
working web site that allowed me to order the book.

First time, first line, no fuss.

Google is your friend.

Doug McDonald

Gjest

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Gjest » 27 nov 2004 20:41:02

In a message dated 27/11/04 19:15:24 GMT Standard Time,
poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:

You need all 14 volumes.

Volume XII has TWO large parts.

So, in effect there are 15 "volumes."

DSH



What DSH means:

The original Vol XII came in two books and the full set is now 14 volumes in
15 books (or 14 volumes in 7 books if you obtain the reduced text sized
reprints plus vol XIV).

Adrian

John Townsend

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av John Townsend » 28 nov 2004 09:33:14

Sue,

I have these for sale (which do not include the more recent Vol. XIV). The
price may seem high, but I believe the price of this work in the market has
actually come down recently!

THE COMPLETE PEERAGE OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND,
IRELAND, GREAT BRITAIN AND THE UNITED KINGDOM,
EXTANT, EXTINCT OR DORMANT, by G.E.C. [G.E. Cokayne],
new edition, revised and enlarged, ed. by Vicary Gibbs et al.,
13 vols. in 14, 1910-1940; easily the most comprehensive work
on the British peerage; numerous pedigrees; 4to; orig. gilt dec.
green cloth, t.e.g., a good, firm set, some vols. faded. GBP 1,250.00
Price inclusive of delivery in UK.

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Old Books on Genealogy and British Local History,
Always a good selection on my web site:
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk
95 Arbor Lane, Winnersh, Wokingham. RG41 5JE. England.

"Sue J" wrote
I have been following this thread and have a question. Is this just
one of 14 volumes and I would have 13 other volumes to buy or is this
just the latest edition that has been updated, etc. and I only need
XIV? Could someone explain? If this is only 1 of 14 books that I
would have to purchase, then the price in US $ would be extremely
high.

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 28 nov 2004 10:13:03

In message of 28 Nov, "John Townsend" <john@johntownsend.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Sue,

I have these for sale (which do not include the more recent Vol. XIV). The
price may seem high, but I believe the price of this work in the market has
actually come down recently!

THE COMPLETE PEERAGE OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND,
IRELAND, GREAT BRITAIN AND THE UNITED KINGDOM,
EXTANT, EXTINCT OR DORMANT, by G.E.C. [G.E. Cokayne],
new edition, revised and enlarged, ed. by Vicary Gibbs et al.,
13 vols. in 14, 1910-1940; easily the most comprehensive work
on the British peerage; numerous pedigrees; 4to; orig. gilt dec.
green cloth, t.e.g., a good, firm set, some vols. faded. GBP 1,250.00
Price inclusive of delivery in UK.

A massive drop for the original, full-size volumes: these were priced at
2,000 ukp and upwards a couple of years back. Though currently I can
still read my photoreduced set at c. 250 ukp (less now?) and without
using a magnifying glass, just my usual varifocals.

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

Julia of Portland

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Julia of Portland » 28 nov 2004 18:08:13

<ADRIANCHANNING@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7d.5d599a73.2eda310d@aol.com...
In a message dated 27/11/04 19:15:24 GMT Standard Time,
poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:

You need all 14 volumes.

Volume XII has TWO large parts.

So, in effect there are 15 "volumes."

DSH



What DSH means:

The original Vol XII came in two books and the full set is now 14 volumes
in
15 books (or 14 volumes in 7 books if you obtain the reduced text sized
reprints plus vol XIV).

Adrian


If you go to Amazon there is a link to a company that has the first 13
volumes available on CD for 99.50 pounds. Has anyone tried out the CD
version? Are they any good? (That's good in the sense of searchability,
adding text notes, etc.)

--

~Julia of Portland
Oregon, USA
http://members.aol.com/JuliaL1957/

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 28 nov 2004 18:36:05

Why is it only four volumes you need to consult?

One winds up jumping around in them all over the alphabet.

DSH

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:000001c4d57f$50fce390$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...

| Hi John,
|
| That is very nice to offer but I only need abt. 4 volumes...

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 28 nov 2004 19:31:26

You find someone in the "B's" whose MOTHER is descended from someone in
the "S's" ---- don't you want to know about HER too, so you can trace
the lines of ascent?

That's just ONE example.

There is nothing "mediaeval" about it -- it's just common sense.

If you want to trace lineages in the Peerage, you need to have ALL the
peers to search through.

Further, it's frequently the case that you are searching through the
TITLES of their Peerages NOT their family names ---- but sometimes you
have to jump from one to the other ---- ergo, from one VOLUME to
another.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:000201c4d585$3f018f50$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...

| I know what names I am researching and they fall within 4 volumes. If
| they are by alphabet as I have seen them, then why would I would all
| the volumes and not use most of them. I would only want volumes 2, 4,
| 5, 11 and 13. Maybe I am missing something here. Never said I was
| smart, especially when it comes to medieval. :-)
|
| Sue
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:36 PM
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?
|
| Why is it only four volumes you need to consult?
|
| One winds up jumping around in them all over the alphabet.
|
| DSH
|
| ""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
| news:000001c4d57f$50fce390$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
|
| | Hi John,
| |
| | That is very nice to offer but I only need abt. 4 volumes...

Sue J

RE: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Sue J » 28 nov 2004 20:31:01

Hi John,

That is very nice to offer but I only need abt. 4 volumes and since I
am on a very small disability income, I will have to forgo your offer.
It would take me almost 6 months to come up with such a sum and that
would be without me buying food, medicine, paying bills or anything
else with my monthly check. I think I will just do without the books.
They are a nice collection but not something I must have.

You take care and good luck with your research.

Sue in Florida macduff@infionline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: John Townsend [mailto:john@johntownsend.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 3:33 AM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Sue,

I have these for sale (which do not include the more recent Vol. XIV).
The
price may seem high, but I believe the price of this work in the
market has
actually come down recently!

THE COMPLETE PEERAGE OF ENGLAND, SCOTLAND,
IRELAND, GREAT BRITAIN AND THE UNITED KINGDOM,
EXTANT, EXTINCT OR DORMANT, by G.E.C. [G.E. Cokayne],
new edition, revised and enlarged, ed. by Vicary Gibbs et al.,
13 vols. in 14, 1910-1940; easily the most comprehensive work
on the British peerage; numerous pedigrees; 4to; orig. gilt dec.
green cloth, t.e.g., a good, firm set, some vols. faded. GBP 1,250.00
Price inclusive of delivery in UK.

Best wishes,

John Townsend
Old Books on Genealogy and British Local History,
Always a good selection on my web site:
http://www.johntownsend.demon.co.uk
95 Arbor Lane, Winnersh, Wokingham. RG41 5JE. England.

"Sue J" wrote
I have been following this thread and have a question. Is this just
one of 14 volumes and I would have 13 other volumes to buy or is this
just the latest edition that has been updated, etc. and I only need
XIV? Could someone explain? If this is only 1 of 14 books that I
would have to purchase, then the price in US $ would be extremely
high.

Sue J

RE: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Sue J » 28 nov 2004 21:11:01

I know what names I am researching and they fall within 4 volumes. If
they are by alphabet as I have seen them, then why would I would all
the volumes and not use most of them. I would only want volumes 2, 4,
5, 11 and 13. Maybe I am missing something here. Never said I was
smart, especially when it comes to medieval. :-)

Sue

-----Original Message-----
From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:36 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Why is it only four volumes you need to consult?

One winds up jumping around in them all over the alphabet.

DSH

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:000001c4d57f$50fce390$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...

| Hi John,
|
| That is very nice to offer but I only need abt. 4 volumes...

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 28 nov 2004 22:39:53

I answered your question -- out of courtesy.

Your financial circumstances were not relevant to that question -- or to
the answer.

So you need to find CP in a library near you.

If you tell us where you are perhaps we can help.

DSH

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:001201c4d59f$0bc283f0$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
|
| That is all well and good and I want to know about both spouses. But,
| would you care to supplement my income of a lousy $400 disability
| income to get all the volumes? No? I didn't think so. One baby step
| at a time.
|
| Sue
| -----Original Message-----
| From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:31 PM
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?
|
| You find someone in the "B's" whose MOTHER is descended from someone
| in the "S's" ---- don't you want to know about HER too, so you can
trace
| the lines of ascent?
|
| That's just ONE example.
|
| There is nothing "mediaeval" about it -- it's just common sense.
|
| If you want to trace lineages in the Peerage, you need to have ALL the
| peers to search through.
|
| Further, it's frequently the case that you are searching through the
| TITLES of their Peerages NOT their family names ---- but sometimes you
| have to jump from one to the other ---- ergo, from one VOLUME to
| another.
|
| DSH
|
| Lux et Veritas et Libertas
|
| Vires et Honor
|
| ""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
| news:000201c4d585$3f018f50$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
|
| | I know what names I am researching and they fall within 4 volumes.
| If
| | they are by alphabet as I have seen them, then why would I would all
| | the volumes and not use most of them. I would only want volumes 2,
| 4,
| | 5, 11 and 13. Maybe I am missing something here. Never said I
| was
| | smart, especially when it comes to medieval. :-)
| |
| | Sue

Sue J

RE: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Sue J » 29 nov 2004 00:11:01

That is all well and good and I want to know about both spouses. But,
would you care to supplement my income of a lousy $400 disability
income to get all the volumes? No? I didn't think so. One baby step
at a time.

Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:31 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

You find someone in the "B's" whose MOTHER is descended from someone
in
the "S's" ---- don't you want to know about HER too, so you can trace
the lines of ascent?

That's just ONE example.

There is nothing "mediaeval" about it -- it's just common sense.

If you want to trace lineages in the Peerage, you need to have ALL the
peers to search through.

Further, it's frequently the case that you are searching through the
TITLES of their Peerages NOT their family names ---- but sometimes you
have to jump from one to the other ---- ergo, from one VOLUME to
another.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:000201c4d585$3f018f50$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...

| I know what names I am researching and they fall within 4 volumes.
If
| they are by alphabet as I have seen them, then why would I would all
| the volumes and not use most of them. I would only want volumes 2,
4,
| 5, 11 and 13. Maybe I am missing something here. Never said I
was
| smart, especially when it comes to medieval. :-)
|
| Sue
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:36 PM
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?
|
| Why is it only four volumes you need to consult?
|
| One winds up jumping around in them all over the alphabet.
|
| DSH
|
| ""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
| news:000001c4d57f$50fce390$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
|
| | Hi John,
| |
| | That is very nice to offer but I only need abt. 4 volumes...

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 29 nov 2004 01:04:14

Nope.

I said nothing about your BUYING a complete set of CP.

I simply wanted to know why you thought you could get by only consulting
four or five volumes of the 14.

DSH

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:002701c4d5a8$eacaae70$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...

| I am in a small, rural county in Florida, USA where they do not do
| interlibrary loans of reference books and the LDS, even if I could get
| there, does not order books for reading. They only allow films. I
| have tried to get books before when I was able to get 10 miles down
| the road to the FHC. The statement I made was relevant in that you
| wanted to know why I was not buying the complete set. Other than
| that, my finances are not relevent, true.
|
| Sue macduff@infionline.net
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:40 PM
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?
|
| I answered your question -- out of courtesy.
|
| Your financial circumstances were not relevant to that question -- or
| to the answer.
|
| So you need to find CP in a library near you.
|
| If you tell us where you are perhaps we can help.
|
| DSH
|
| ""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
| news:001201c4d59f$0bc283f0$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
| |
| | That is all well and good and I want to know about both spouses.
| But,
| | would you care to supplement my income of a lousy $400 disability
| | income to get all the volumes? No? I didn't think so. One baby
| step
| | at a time.
| |
| | Sue
| | -----Original Message-----
| | From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| | Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:31 PM
| | To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| | Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?
| |
| | You find someone in the "B's" whose MOTHER is descended from someone
| | in the "S's" ---- don't you want to know about HER too, so you can
| trace
| | the lines of ascent?
| |
| | That's just ONE example.
| |
| | There is nothing "mediaeval" about it -- it's just common sense.
| |
| | If you want to trace lineages in the Peerage, you need to have ALL
| the
| | peers to search through.
| |
| | Further, it's frequently the case that you are searching through the
| | TITLES of their Peerages NOT their family names ---- but sometimes
| you
| | have to jump from one to the other ---- ergo, from one VOLUME to
| | another.
| |
| | DSH
| |
| | Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| |
| | Vires et Honor
| |
| | ""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
| | news:000201c4d585$3f018f50$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
| |
| | | I know what names I am researching and they fall within 4 volumes.
| | If
| | | they are by alphabet as I have seen them, then why would I would
| all
| | | the volumes and not use most of them. I would only want volumes
| 2,
| | 4,
| | | 5, 11 and 13. Maybe I am missing something here. Never said I
| | was
| | | smart, especially when it comes to medieval. :-)
| | |
| | | Sue
|

Sue J

RE: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Sue J » 29 nov 2004 01:21:01

I am in a small, rural county in Florida, USA where they do not do
interlibrary loans of reference books and the LDS, even if I could get
there, does not order books for reading. They only allow films. I
have tried to get books before when I was able to get 10 miles down
the road to the FHC. The statement I made was relevant in that you
wanted to know why I was not buying the complete set. Other than
that, my finances are not relevent, true.

Sue macduff@infionline.net

-----Original Message-----
From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:40 PM
To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

I answered your question -- out of courtesy.

Your financial circumstances were not relevant to that question -- or
to
the answer.

So you need to find CP in a library near you.

If you tell us where you are perhaps we can help.

DSH

""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:001201c4d59f$0bc283f0$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
|
| That is all well and good and I want to know about both spouses.
But,
| would you care to supplement my income of a lousy $400 disability
| income to get all the volumes? No? I didn't think so. One baby
step
| at a time.
|
| Sue
| -----Original Message-----
| From: D. Spencer Hines [mailto:poguemidden@hotmail.com]
| Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:31 PM
| To: GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?
|
| You find someone in the "B's" whose MOTHER is descended from someone
| in the "S's" ---- don't you want to know about HER too, so you can
trace
| the lines of ascent?
|
| That's just ONE example.
|
| There is nothing "mediaeval" about it -- it's just common sense.
|
| If you want to trace lineages in the Peerage, you need to have ALL
the
| peers to search through.
|
| Further, it's frequently the case that you are searching through the
| TITLES of their Peerages NOT their family names ---- but sometimes
you
| have to jump from one to the other ---- ergo, from one VOLUME to
| another.
|
| DSH
|
| Lux et Veritas et Libertas
|
| Vires et Honor
|
| ""Sue J"" <macduff@infionline.net> wrote in message
| news:000201c4d585$3f018f50$0201a8c0@SUSAN01...
|
| | I know what names I am researching and they fall within 4 volumes.
| If
| | they are by alphabet as I have seen them, then why would I would
all
| | the volumes and not use most of them. I would only want volumes
2,
| 4,
| | 5, 11 and 13. Maybe I am missing something here. Never said I
| was
| | smart, especially when it comes to medieval. :-)
| |
| | Sue

Gjest

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Gjest » 29 nov 2004 05:31:01

In a message dated 11/28/2004 6:42:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
poguemidden@hotmail.com writes:

Your financial circumstances were not relevant to that question -- or to
the answer.



I knew you would eventually hit a sour note Hines. While the circumstances
might not seem relevant to you, you must remember that there are many people
in the world whose income is fixed and which inflation is daily eating away
at. You told the lady that she should purchase an article which she could not
justifying spending the money for.

Sorry to have to call you down on this. You have been doing real well of
late.

Gordon Hale
Grand Prairie, Texas

D. Spencer Hines

The Complete Peerage

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 29 nov 2004 18:59:29

WRONG!

I did NO such thing....

Go back and actually READ what I WROTE -- ALWAYS DO THAT before jumping
to malicious, ridiculous and risible conclusions.

A Good Texan Should Know That.

PRATFALL!!!

KAWHOMP!!!

You wanted to "call me down" and simply wound up shooting yourself in
the foot and then sticking said foot in your mouth.

John 5:14

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

<GRHaleJr@aol.com> wrote in message news:c1.4c73df7e.2edbfd68@aol.com...

| You told the lady that she should purchase an article [sic] which
| she could not justifying [sic] spending the money for.
|
| Sorry to have to call you down on this. You have been doing real
| well [sic] of late.

| Gordon Hale
| Grand Prairie, Texas

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 02 des 2004 21:35:58

Outstanding!

You got Volume XIV included as well for under $400? With S & H?

If so, you did very well.

Congratulations either way -- with or without XIV.

They delivered very quickly too.

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:coo3hh$vab$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

| Doug McDonald wrote:
|
| > D. Spencer Hines wrote:
| >
| >> Why did your library make such a dumb decision?
| >>
| >> Try the publisher in Britain -- Sutton Publishing.
| >
| >
| >
| > Thanks Spencer ... they claim in stock, so I ordered it.
| >
| > So now I have all of CP ordered for a Christmas present for me.
|
|
| I received my "reduced" green Complete Peerage today,
| good service from the seller and well under $400.
|
| The print is tiny but I can read it very easily with
| my "stronger" reading glasses, and can read it with the
| weaker ones.
|
| Doug McDonald

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 02 des 2004 23:04:33

Doug McDonald wrote:

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Why did your library make such a dumb decision?

Try the publisher in Britain -- Sutton Publishing.



Thanks Spencer ... they claim in stock, so I ordered it.

So now I have all of CP ordered for a Christmas present for me.


I received my "reduced" green Complete Peerage today,
good service from the seller and well under $400.

The print is tiny but I can read it very easily with
my "stronger" reading glasses, and can read it with the
weaker ones.

Doug McDonald

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 02 des 2004 23:52:23

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Outstanding!

You got Volume XIV included as well for under $400? With S & H?

no ... supposedly it (XIV) is in the mail from England. I was talking
about the green boxed set.

If so, you did very well.

Congratulations either way -- with or without XIV.

They delivered very quickly too.


Yes ... $390 with shipping (as you know, it's heavy!)
from some random Amazon Partner called "Valore Books".
It was ordered Nov. 25.

I must say, it already is a great pleasure to have it by
my computer ... having to schlepp notes (pencil only
OF COURSE) back and forth to the Rare Book Room was
a pain (figuratively ... good exercise of course!).
I have "always" had the Scots Peerage here, since the
library lets me check it out "forever". But CP is
far far harder to use "at a distance" than SP would
be because SP "works both ways" and CP only works
backwards into time.

Doug

Dolly Ziegler

Complete Peerage on microfilm, Fam. Hist. Centers

Legg inn av Dolly Ziegler » 03 des 2004 17:21:01

Hello to the list. A reminder, the first 13 volumes (not vol. 14) of
Complete Peerage are available on microfilm through any Family History
Center of the LDS Church, at about USD 3.50 per reel for a four-week
period.

For some people, this may be a useful alternative to buying the books or
traveling to a library that has them.

It's on 10 reels; the catalog tells which volumes are on each reel.

Many FHCs allow patrons to pay for two renewals to keep a frequently-used
film on "indefinite loan." In "my" FHC this would cost a total USD 10 per
reel. Two of us cooperated to do this for the 10 reels in "my old" FHC.

http://www.familysearch.org, click library, click catalog

N.b. I've heard this week that _some_ very small Family History Centers
cannot order microfilm loans. Dunno if it's true.

Cheers, Dolly in Maryland

Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: Complete Peerage on microfilm, Fam. Hist. Centers

Legg inn av Tim Powys-Lybbe » 03 des 2004 17:38:59

In message of 3 Dec, dsz@bcpl.net (Dolly Ziegler) wrote:

Hello to the list. A reminder, the first 13 volumes (not vol. 14) of
Complete Peerage are available on microfilm through any Family History
Center of the LDS Church, at about USD 3.50 per reel for a four-week
period.

For some people, this may be a useful alternative to buying the books or
traveling to a library that has them.

It's on 10 reels; the catalog tells which volumes are on each reel.

Many FHCs allow patrons to pay for two renewals to keep a frequently-used
film on "indefinite loan." In "my" FHC this would cost a total USD 10 per
reel. Two of us cooperated to do this for the 10 reels in "my old" FHC.

http://www.familysearch.org, click library, click catalog

I would share with Chris Phillips' anticipated question of what right or
licence does LDS have to make these copies?

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe tim@powys.org
For a miscellany of bygones: http://powys.org

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 04 des 2004 00:48:44

Great!

You bought it through Amazon rather than directly from the publisher,
Sutton Publishing?

DSH

Doug McDonald wrote:

| I received my "reduced" green Complete Peerage today,
| good service from the seller and well under $400.
|
| The print is tiny but I can read it very easily with
| my "stronger" reading glasses, and can read it with the
| weaker ones.
|
| Doug McDonald

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV et al.

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 04 des 2004 16:45:35

Capital!

The best sort of Free Capitalism in action ---- and the consumer makes
out and gets the best deal.

_Valore_ Indeed.

Valore is not selling Volume XIV?

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:cosn92$bbd$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...

| D. Spencer Hines wrote:

| > Great!
| >
| > You bought it through Amazon rather than directly from the
| > publisher, Sutton Publishing?
|
|
| THROUGH Amazon, from one of their "partners", Valore Books,
| as it was about $100 cheaper. Interestingly, a check of their
| web site shows no trace of it, at least by title of SIBN, but it was
| blatently advertised through Amazon.
|
| I breathlessly await XIV from England, and a pile of non-book
| (CD and DVD) things I ordered from Amazon itself at the same time.
|
| Doug McDonald
|
|
| >
| > DSH
| >
| > Doug McDonald wrote:
| >
| > | I received my "reduced" green Complete Peerage today,
| > | good service from the seller and well under $400.

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 04 des 2004 17:05:53

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
Great!

You bought it through Amazon rather than directly from the publisher,
Sutton Publishing?


THROUGH Amazon, from one of their "partners", Valore Books,
as it was about $100 cheaper. Interestingly, a check of their
web site shows no trace of it, at least by title of SIBN, but it was
blatently advertised through Amazon.

I breathlessly await XIV from England, and a pile of non-book
(CD and DVD) things I ordered from Amazon itself at the same time.

Doug McDonald


DSH

Doug McDonald wrote:

| I received my "reduced" green Complete Peerage today,
| good service from the seller and well under $400.

Doug McDonald

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av Doug McDonald » 20 des 2004 18:19:34

Doug McDonald wrote:
D. Spencer Hines wrote: [on Dec. 4]

Great!

You bought it [ the main CP itself ... JDM] through Amazon rather than directly from the publisher,
Sutton Publishing?



THROUGH Amazon, from one of their "partners", Valore Books,
as it was about $100 cheaper. Interestingly, a check of their
web site shows no trace of it, at least by title or ISBN, but it was
blatently advertised through Amazon.

I breathlessly await XIV from England,


Doug McDonald

Well the XIV arrived (ordered Nov. 27) just in time for Christmas.
Strangely, though I ordered it on the Sutton Publishing web site,
the invoice says Haynes Publishing, with a Somerset, UK, address,
and the postage (it came in the US mail) says it was mailed
from Far Rockaway NY. (Is this some sort of customs brokerage
thing?) Note also that it was packaged in a rather, shall we
say, strange manner: it was open on one end, held
only by that untearable clear tape people use these days, and
the side of the book was visible (again, maybe as a customs
thing?). Nevertheless it arrived in good shape.

Looking at it I am pleased that it is mostly corrections,
not post-1938 additions. It is, as a both good and bad
feature, rather lacking in the ink to paper ratio ...
good, as it is easy to read, bad if you are a tree lover.

Doug McDonald

D. Spencer Hines

Re: CP XIV for sale anywhere?

Legg inn av D. Spencer Hines » 20 des 2004 18:44:23

Good critique.

Yes, I've had similar experiences.

DSH

"Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@SnPoAM_scs.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:cq71j8$cf9$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
| Doug McDonald wrote:
| > D. Spencer Hines wrote: [on Dec. 4]
| >
| >> Great!
| >>
| >> You bought it [ the main CP itself ... JDM] through Amazon rather
than directly from the publisher,
| >> Sutton Publishing?
| >
| >
| >
| > THROUGH Amazon, from one of their "partners", Valore Books,
| > as it was about $100 cheaper. Interestingly, a check of their
| > web site shows no trace of it, at least by title or ISBN, but it was
| > blatently advertised through Amazon.
| >
| > I breathlessly await XIV from England,
|
| >
| > Doug McDonald
|
| Well the XIV arrived (ordered Nov. 27) just in time for Christmas.
| Strangely, though I ordered it on the Sutton Publishing web site,
| the invoice says Haynes Publishing, with a Somerset, UK, address,
| and the postage (it came in the US mail) says it was mailed
| from Far Rockaway NY. (Is this some sort of customs brokerage
| thing?) Note also that it was packaged in a rather, shall we
| say, strange manner: it was open on one end, held
| only by that untearable clear tape people use these days, and
| the side of the book was visible (again, maybe as a customs
| thing?). Nevertheless it arrived in good shape.
|
| Looking at it I am pleased that it is mostly corrections,
| not post-1938 additions. It is, as a both good and bad
| feature, rather lacking in the ink to paper ratio ...
| good, as it is easy to read, bad if you are a tree lover.
|
| Doug McDonald

Gordon Banks

Richard and Ralf Basset

Legg inn av Gordon Banks » 21 des 2004 00:07:15

Loyd in Anglo-Norman Families mentions Richard and Ralf Basset (p. 12)
in Montreuil-au-Houlme in Orderic's 1136 account of the invasion of
Normandy by Geoffrey count of Anjou. Loyd says "it is possible that
Ralf Basset, also justiciar, first came to the notice of the future king
(Henry I) when he was lord of Domfront in the reign of William II."

Searching Leo's database, and my own, I find a number of Ralph Bassets
with sons Richard, but find no lines connecting these 13th century
Bassets to Ralf and Richard in the 11th - 12th century. I also have
Bassets in Weldon and Drayton. Anyone have the connecting pedigree?

Thanks.

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