Dear Douglas and Doug,
Thank you very much for both responses.
To clarify, it was Robert Vipont who married Margaret:
IPM Margaret, late wife of Robert de Vepund, knight.
Writ. 25 October, 32 E III [1359]
Cumberland. Inq. taken at Penereht, 15 January 32 E III.
Lammanby. Two parts of the manor held of the king in chief by homage and
fealty and by service of rendering 6s. 8d. yearly at the exchequer of
Carlisle for cornage by the hands of the sheriff.
Midelscogh. An encroachment called ³Sebwra² held of the king in chief by
fealty and service of 64s. 6d. at the exchequer of Carlisle by the hands of
the sheriff.
A History of Northumberland.. Pt. 2, Vol. 3, p. 27 states she was heiress
of Hucumanby & Midelscough, late wife of Sir Robert de Veteriponte; inquest
respecting her right in Lamonby &c. in the parish of Skelton, Cumberland in
1359. Based on the following, it appears she may have been a daughter of
John and Margaret Penreth. In 1315 John de Penreth to grant land in Lamonby,
Mosywra, Langhirst, and Whitby in Middlesceugh to a chaplain in the chapel
of Lamonby, retaining a messuage and land in Seliwra, and land in Lamonby.
Cumb. 8 EDWARD II. However, it does not explain Margaret's association with
Hunmandby.
As posted, 1323 Joan de Driby "to grant the third part of two-thirds of the
manor of Hunmanby, and her reversion in the third part of the third part now
held in dower by Joan, late the wife of Robert de Tateshale, to James de
Ros, Maud [Bernak] his wife, and the heirs of their bodies, with remainder
to the heirs of Maud, retaining the castle of Tattershall (Lincoln) and the
manor of Buckenham (Norfolk). Lincoln. Norfolk. 16 EDWARD II "
Thank you, Douglas for clarifying the wife of James de Ros. May I ask what
relationship was he to William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe?
Joan's daughter, Alice married William Bernack and was the heir to her
brother John, who was age 40 in 1329 [b. 1289]. Joan Tattershall left the
third part of the manor of Wymondham, and the eighth part of the manor of
Buckenham, with the advowsons of the church of Tattershall and Kirkstead
abbey, on herself for life, with remainder as to the messuages, land, and
rent in New Buckenham, Old Buckenham, Attleborough, and Ellingham, the third
part of the manor of Wymondham and the eighth part of the manor of Buckenham
to William de Bernak, Alice his wife, and the heirs of their bodies" but I
see no reference to Hucumanby.
There were several Chancery suits between William and Alice Bernak's
daughter Maud and her husband, Ralph de Cromwell and John de Kirketon who
held interest in Tattershall. The findings seem to be that Maud had a better
claim to the inheritance than John de Kirketon. Kirketon's IPM reflects "
The castle and manor with the appurtenances in Tateshale, Thorp by
Tateshale, Parva Stretton, Marton by Thornton ad Boston, held for life by
demise of Thomas de Wyke, clerk, Thomas de Kirkeby, parson of the church of
Tateshale, Henry Asty, John de Wyke and William Stel, to whom Ralph de
Cromwell and Maud his wife had demised them with the king's licence for the
term of John de Kirketon's life, with reversion to Ralph and Maud and
Maud's heirs. "
As late as 1280, the Gant family had interest in Hunmanby. Extract of
proceedings in Quo Warranto - ref. zDDHU/9/1 - date: 30 Sep 1280 (a) on
claim of Gilbert de Gaunt and Richard Malebyse to whales in the port of
Fyfle (Filey), reserving their heads and tails to the Crown. Gilbert de
Gaunt claims to have had one moiety since the Conquest; and Richard Malebyse
to have had the other of the gift of Walter son of Gislebert (an ancestor of
Gilbert de Gaunt) to Ralph de Nevill (an ancestor of Richard Malebyse) (b)
on claim of Gilbert de Gaunt to have free chase in Swaledale; free warren at
Helawe and wreck of the sea at Hunmanby[Hundemanbie]. In the 1304 IPM of
Robert Tateshale: "); and five carucates in Rythton and Marten held of
Richard Malbys "
Joan was granting "third part of two-thirds of the manor" to James and Maud
Bernak de Ros. In 1343, Isabel late the wife of William de Hestyng the
elder to retain a messuage, land, and rent in Hunmanby settled on her and
the said William for life, with remainder to Peter de Malo Lacu `le quint'
and his heirs, by the said William, who acquired them from William de
Hestyng the younger, who acquired them from Peter de Malo Lacu `le quart. 16
EDWARD III.
I believe it will be important to attempt to find those who held the other
thirds of this manor.
Thank you for additional thoughts.
Pat
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From: "Douglas Richardson
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[email protected]Subject: Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire
Date: Tue, May 3, 2005, 1:58 PM
Dear Doug ~
If you check the newsgroup archives, you'll find that I previously
identified the maiden name and parentage of Maud de Bernake, wife of
Sir James de Roos, of Gedney, Lincolnshire for Patricia Junkin. I've
copied my post below for easy reference. Maud's identity was
discovered while I was doing research for my forthcoming book, Magna
Carta Ancestry.
I believe you can find a reference to the 1323 land grant of Joan (de
Tateshall) de Driby to her granddaughter, Maud (de Bernake) de Roos, in
the book, Inquisitions ad Quod Damnum. Good luck in your sleuthing!
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website:
http://www.royalancestry.net+ + + + + + + + + + + + +
COPY OF EARLIER POST
Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire
Douglas Richardson
[email protected] Feb 16, 10:33 am
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 16 Feb 2005 07:33:43 -0800
Local: Wed,Feb 16 2005 10:33 am
Subject: Identity of Maud de Bernake, wife of James de Roos, of Gedney,
Lincolnshire
Dear Patricia ~
Thank you for your good post.
You have correctly observed that Joan (de Tateshall) de Driby settled
lands in 1323 on James de Roos, and his wife, Maud, and the heirs of
their bodies, with reversion to the heirs of Maud. Since this property
in Hunmanby, Yorkshire was part of Joan's inheritance, and since the
remainder was set to go to the heirs of Maud, this is all a good
indication that Maud was near related to Joan de Driby. Also, this
settlement appears to have taken place about the time of Maud's
marriage. As such, this settlement was almost certainly intended to
serve as Maud's maritagium.
As it turns out, Maud de Roos was Joan's own granddaughter, being the
child of William de Bernake, by his wife, Alice, daughter of Robert de
Driby and Joan de Tateshale.
Evidence of Maud de Roos' maiden name can be found in the records of
Belvoir Priory which shows that anniversary of Maud Bernak, widow of
Sir James de Ros, was kept at Belvoir Priory 24 October [Reference:
Nichols, Hist. & Antiq. of Leicestershire 2(1) (1795): Appendix, pp.
23, 37].
Further information on the Roos family of Gedney, Lincolnshire will be
found in my forthcoming book, Magna Carta Ancestry, scheduled for
publication in June 2005. Please contact me offline for details
regarding ordering the book.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website:
http://www.royalancestry.net[email protected] wrote:
I believe Margaret was Margaret Ros daughter of James Ros and Maud de
Bernacke.
Maud de Bernacke was the granddaughter of Robert de Driby and Joan de
Tattershall.
see
Knights of Edward I, ed. Rev, C Moor, The Harleian Society, (1929),
Vol. IV, pps 140-141.
Paul Reed, post to SGM dated 2002-5-15, Re: Roos on Ingmanthorpe,
York.
Nichols, Hist. & Antiq. of Leicestershire 2(1) (1795): Appendix, pp.
23, 37.
Doug Smith
