Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour.
I am searching for a John de Veteriponte or Vipont who must have lived
before 1126, which year his daugther Anicea married Alan Mortimer,
Anicea brought her husband the place Aberdour Castle and Lands.
Who were the ancestors of Anicea and how exactly did the generations
before and after Alan Mortimer go?
If Alan and Anicea should be placed around 1320 would that be more
acurate, and why did the daugthters of Roger Mortimer of Foulis call
themselves Heirs of Aberdour, was this Roger a son of Alan or perhaps a
brother.
Sincerely Allan M. Andersen, Denmark.
Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour 1126 or 1326?
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Patricia Junkin
Re: Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour 1126 or 1326?
Allan,
The English and Scottish Viponts are the same family. They descend from
William de Veteriponte who gave ploughgate of land in Carriden to Jedburgh
Abbey. Ca. 1163 there were two William V. of "Carriden"
1329 Anicia de V.Daughter of Sir John of Carriden, near Bo'ness, west of
Edinburgh. Married [Alan?]Mortimer taking Aberdour, near Dunfermline, Fife,
with her.
The Viponts are a complicated lot with Williams, Johns, Roberts adding to
the conundrum. I have followed the Carriden land and even though I do not
have all the specific generations, would believe Sir John is from this line.
Pat
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The English and Scottish Viponts are the same family. They descend from
William de Veteriponte who gave ploughgate of land in Carriden to Jedburgh
Abbey. Ca. 1163 there were two William V. of "Carriden"
1329 Anicia de V.Daughter of Sir John of Carriden, near Bo'ness, west of
Edinburgh. Married [Alan?]Mortimer taking Aberdour, near Dunfermline, Fife,
with her.
The Viponts are a complicated lot with Williams, Johns, Roberts adding to
the conundrum. I have followed the Carriden land and even though I do not
have all the specific generations, would believe Sir John is from this line.
Pat
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From: "Allan M. Andersen" <[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour 1126 or 1326?
Date: Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 4:11 PM
Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour.
I am searching for a John de Veteriponte or Vipont who must have lived
before 1126, which year his daugther Anicea married Alan Mortimer,
Anicea brought her husband the place Aberdour Castle and Lands.
Who were the ancestors of Anicea and how exactly did the generations
before and after Alan Mortimer go?
If Alan and Anicea should be placed around 1320 would that be more
acurate, and why did the daugthters of Roger Mortimer of Foulis call
themselves Heirs of Aberdour, was this Roger a son of Alan or perhaps a
brother.
Sincerely Allan M. Andersen, Denmark.
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Ginny Wagner
RE: Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour 1126 or 1326?
Mentions of Veteri Ponte in the Calendar of Charters, 918-1206,
France, by Round:
1. Roberto de Veteri Ponte signed a charter dated [1060-1080] held at
the abbey of St. Wandrille, in the diocese of Rouen, of Roger de
Belmont giving to the abbey various gifts.
2. 25 Sep 1203, Roberti de Veteri ponte signed a charter of John,
granting to the canons of St. Mary of Ivrande the land at Presles with
all its appurtenances, that Robert Marshal held, whcih he gave them
while he was count of Mortain.
3. [1076] at the abbey of Mont St. Michel, when kin William had
ascended the throne of England, John, son of Richard, claimed the mill
and seized it with abbot Ranulf vigorously resisting, ... both parties
to the king's court where Geoffrey bishop of Coutances was delegated
by the king's authority as judge of the dispute, with Ranulf the
vicomte, Niel son of Niel, Robert de Vezpunt, and many other capable
judges, who ...
4. [1124-1135] Charter of Henry I, as king of England and duke of
normandy, addressed generally. At the prayer of William de Molendinis
and Albereda his wife, he grants to the monks of St. Evroul, free from
all earthly service, etc. the church of St. Lawrence de Molendinis and
lands [specified]; also the church of St. Mary de Bonis Molendinis
with the tithe, etc.; the church of St. Denis de Maheru, with other
gifts [specified]; and, of the fee of Hugh de Ferraria, and in the
parish of Ronceos two-thirds of the tithe of the fee of Walter de
Veteri Ponte; ...
5. 1146, 14 April. Bull of pope Eugenius III, confirming to the
abbey of St. Florent de Saumur [the church of St. Peter of Brembra
with the chapel of St. Nicholas of the castle, and the church of St.
Peter de Veteri Ponte,][3] [fn3] this passage omitted in printed text.
....
(Libert Argenteus, fo. 3d. See ut supra, p. 163)
Let me know if you need further elaboration.
Ginny
France, by Round:
1. Roberto de Veteri Ponte signed a charter dated [1060-1080] held at
the abbey of St. Wandrille, in the diocese of Rouen, of Roger de
Belmont giving to the abbey various gifts.
2. 25 Sep 1203, Roberti de Veteri ponte signed a charter of John,
granting to the canons of St. Mary of Ivrande the land at Presles with
all its appurtenances, that Robert Marshal held, whcih he gave them
while he was count of Mortain.
3. [1076] at the abbey of Mont St. Michel, when kin William had
ascended the throne of England, John, son of Richard, claimed the mill
and seized it with abbot Ranulf vigorously resisting, ... both parties
to the king's court where Geoffrey bishop of Coutances was delegated
by the king's authority as judge of the dispute, with Ranulf the
vicomte, Niel son of Niel, Robert de Vezpunt, and many other capable
judges, who ...
4. [1124-1135] Charter of Henry I, as king of England and duke of
normandy, addressed generally. At the prayer of William de Molendinis
and Albereda his wife, he grants to the monks of St. Evroul, free from
all earthly service, etc. the church of St. Lawrence de Molendinis and
lands [specified]; also the church of St. Mary de Bonis Molendinis
with the tithe, etc.; the church of St. Denis de Maheru, with other
gifts [specified]; and, of the fee of Hugh de Ferraria, and in the
parish of Ronceos two-thirds of the tithe of the fee of Walter de
Veteri Ponte; ...
5. 1146, 14 April. Bull of pope Eugenius III, confirming to the
abbey of St. Florent de Saumur [the church of St. Peter of Brembra
with the chapel of St. Nicholas of the castle, and the church of St.
Peter de Veteri Ponte,][3] [fn3] this passage omitted in printed text.
....
(Libert Argenteus, fo. 3d. See ut supra, p. 163)
Let me know if you need further elaboration.
Ginny-
Patricia Junkin
Re: Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour 1126 or 1326?
Ginny,
This is fabulous information. Thank you and yes, I would like more detail.
In Power's The Norman Frontier in the Twelfth and Early Thirteenth
Centuries, the Viponts of Courville, while, related are separated from the
English line. He places the Robert who d. ca. 1083-6 as the progenitor of
the Courville lords. I have notes that would question this, however, more
research is needed. In that family there is a Robert III d. 1203 who m. Mary
de Chatillon who may be ref. 2 but then Robert V. of England was a powerful
lord and one of King John's favorites.
Pat
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This is fabulous information. Thank you and yes, I would like more detail.
In Power's The Norman Frontier in the Twelfth and Early Thirteenth
Centuries, the Viponts of Courville, while, related are separated from the
English line. He places the Robert who d. ca. 1083-6 as the progenitor of
the Courville lords. I have notes that would question this, however, more
research is needed. In that family there is a Robert III d. 1203 who m. Mary
de Chatillon who may be ref. 2 but then Robert V. of England was a powerful
lord and one of King John's favorites.
Pat
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From: "Ginny Wagner" <[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Mortimer and Vipont of Aberdour 1126 or 1326?
Date: Wed, Aug 10, 2005, 6:19 PM
Mentions of Veteri Ponte in the Calendar of Charters, 918-1206,
France, by Round:
1. Roberto de Veteri Ponte signed a charter dated [1060-1080] held at
the abbey of St. Wandrille, in the diocese of Rouen, of Roger de
Belmont giving to the abbey various gifts.
2. 25 Sep 1203, Roberti de Veteri ponte signed a charter of John,
granting to the canons of St. Mary of Ivrande the land at Presles with
all its appurtenances, that Robert Marshal held, whcih he gave them
while he was count of Mortain.
3. [1076] at the abbey of Mont St. Michel, when kin William had
ascended the throne of England, John, son of Richard, claimed the mill
and seized it with abbot Ranulf vigorously resisting, ... both parties
to the king's court where Geoffrey bishop of Coutances was delegated
by the king's authority as judge of the dispute, with Ranulf the
vicomte, Niel son of Niel, Robert de Vezpunt, and many other capable
judges, who ...
4. [1124-1135] Charter of Henry I, as king of England and duke of
normandy, addressed generally. At the prayer of William de Molendinis
and Albereda his wife, he grants to the monks of St. Evroul, free from
all earthly service, etc. the church of St. Lawrence de Molendinis and
lands [specified]; also the church of St. Mary de Bonis Molendinis
with the tithe, etc.; the church of St. Denis de Maheru, with other
gifts [specified]; and, of the fee of Hugh de Ferraria, and in the
parish of Ronceos two-thirds of the tithe of the fee of Walter de
Veteri Ponte; ...
5. 1146, 14 April. Bull of pope Eugenius III, confirming to the
abbey of St. Florent de Saumur [the church of St. Peter of Brembra
with the chapel of St. Nicholas of the castle, and the church of St.
Peter de Veteri Ponte,][3] [fn3] this passage omitted in printed text.
...
(Libert Argenteus, fo. 3d. See ut supra, p. 163)
Let me know if you need further elaboration.