Larsen from Norway

[Geoff Rogers]

Hello all,

I have a Norwegian Grandfather and would like to find out more about
him. His name was Lauritz Hagbard Larsen and he was born 28th May 1893
in Christiansand. He was a sailor who arrived in Australia in July
1914 via South America. His father is stated as Lars Tellefsen. These
details came from his naturalisation papers in Australia.On his
marriage certificate his father is stated as Lars Larsen and his
mother, Amelia Thomsen. Family stories tell of a twin brother who died
aged 9 years in a fire. Can anyone tell me where I can find out more.

Many thanks
Geoff Rogers
England

[Gjest]

Hello Geoff - -

You'll find the 1900 Census record of your grandfather's family here.

<http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ftliste_e.aspx?ft=1900&knr=1012&kenr=006b&bnr=0045&lnr=00>

Regards,

Ed

[Dave Hinz]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), Geoff Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello all,

I have a Norwegian Grandfather and would like to find out more about
him. His name was Lauritz Hagbard Larsen and he was born 28th May 1893
in Christiansand.

He was a sailor who arrived in Australia in July
1914 via South America. His father is stated as Lars Tellefsen.

So, his father is Tellef, maybe living somewhere called Hagbard.

These
details came from his naturalisation papers in Australia.On his
marriage certificate his father is stated as Lars Larsen

That's inconveniently contradictory. Both Larsen and Tellefsen seem to
be patronyms - "son of-" names. Lauritz's father would have had the
first name of Lars, which both pieces of data agree on, but knowing
-his- father's name seems to be where the conflict is. I think that
your best bet is to try to track down what Hagbard means in this
context.

and his
mother, Amelia Thomsen. Family stories tell of a twin brother who died
aged 9 years in a fire.

So, he died in ~1902. There was a census in Norway in 1900 that may be
very useful to you, which is available searchable online. Have you
looked there? I don't have the link in front of me but google for
"norway census 1900" should get you there. I'd search for the word
Hagbard as if it's a location maybe.

Can anyone tell me where I can find out more.

If you need better pointers, I can give you direct links.
I think finding two 7-year old boys on a census, in a place called
Hagbard, with mon Amelia and dad Lars isn't undo-able by any means.
Lots of data there to work with.

Dave Hinz

[Dave Hinz]

On 8 Jul 2005 12:30:37 -0700, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

Hello Geoff - -

You'll find the 1900 Census record of your grandfather's family here.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 045&lnr=00

Isn't usenet wonderful? But, I don't see Laurits's twin?

[Dave Hinz]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:23:22 +0000 (UTC), Geoff Rogers <[email protected]> wrote:

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

So, he died in ~1902. There was a census in Norway in 1900 that may
be
If you need better pointers, I can give you direct links.
I think finding two 7-year old boys on a census, in a place called
Hagbard, with mon Amelia and dad Lars isn't undo-able by any means.
Lots of data there to work with.

I've had a look at the Norwegian 1900 census and have found a Lauritz
Hagbard Tellefesen born 1893, parents Lars and Henriette Amalia
Tellefsen. This looks promising as my mum had a middle name of
Henrietta and her sister a middle name of Amelia.

Sounds like you have your family.

Where the Larsen
name came from I don't know.

Well, Laurits's dad's name was Lars, probably, yes? If you can find him
with his dad in the 1865 or 1880 (?) census, you'll know more.

Lauritz married in 1921 and gave his
father as Lars Larsen and on his naturalisation forms in 1933 he gave
his father as Lars Tellefsen. Also the twin brother story doesn't seem
correct, although he had 3 older brothers and one of those could have
died in a fire. Any rate I now have something to go on.

It could be that the fire was _before_ the 1900 census rather than in
1902. The event undoubtedly happened, but his age at the time would be
the sort of detail that could be distorted over time.

Now that you know where he lived, and what parish that is, you can look
for his birth (baptism) records for that parish. The LDS will have
microfilms of it, most likely. There, you can find his baptism records
showing his parents' names, sponsors' names, and the entry above or
below him should be his twin if he has one. That'd settle the twin
question - but finding his dad (his dad's place of birth is listed on
the census in one of the right-most columns) would be helpful.

Dave Hinz

[Geoff Rogers]

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:54:08 +0000 (UTC), Geoff Rogers
[email protected]> wrote:
Hello all,

I have a Norwegian Grandfather and would like to find out more
about
him. His name was Lauritz Hagbard Larsen and he was born 28th May
1893
in Christiansand.

He was a sailor who arrived in Australia in July
1914 via South America. His father is stated as Lars Tellefsen.

So, his father is Tellef, maybe living somewhere called Hagbard.

These
details came from his naturalisation papers in Australia.On his
marriage certificate his father is stated as Lars Larsen

That's inconveniently contradictory. Both Larsen and Tellefsen seem
to
be patronyms - "son of-" names. Lauritz's father would have had the
first name of Lars, which both pieces of data agree on, but knowing
-his- father's name seems to be where the conflict is. I think that
your best bet is to try to track down what Hagbard means in this
context.

and his
mother, Amelia Thomsen. Family stories tell of a twin brother who
died
aged 9 years in a fire.

So, he died in ~1902. There was a census in Norway in 1900 that may
be
very useful to you, which is available searchable online. Have you
looked there? I don't have the link in front of me but google for
"norway census 1900" should get you there. I'd search for the word
Hagbard as if it's a location maybe.

Can anyone tell me where I can find out more.

If you need better pointers, I can give you direct links.
I think finding two 7-year old boys on a census, in a place called
Hagbard, with mon Amelia and dad Lars isn't undo-able by any means.
Lots of data there to work with.

Dave Hinz

Dave

I've had a look at the Norwegian 1900 census and have found a Lauritz
Hagbard Tellefesen born 1893, parents Lars and Henriette Amalia
Tellefsen. This looks promising as my mum had a middle name of
Henrietta and her sister a middle name of Amelia. Where the Larsen
name came from I don't know. Lauritz married in 1921 and gave his
father as Lars Larsen and on his naturalisation forms in 1933 he gave
his father as Lars Tellefsen. Also the twin brother story doesn't seem
correct, although he had 3 older brothers and one of those could have
died in a fire. Any rate I now have something to go on.

Many thanks

Geoff

[Geoff Rogers]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Hello Geoff - -

You'll find the 1900 Census record of your grandfather's family
here.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 045&lnr=00

Regards,

Ed

I've just found this prior to reading your email. I've explained some
of the coincidences in my reply to Dave's email.

Thanks for looking Ed

Regards

Geoff

[Geoff Rogers]

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On 8 Jul 2005 12:30:37 -0700, [email protected]
[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Geoff - -

You'll find the 1900 Census record of your grandfather's family
here.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 045&lnr=00

Isn't usenet wonderful? But, I don't see Laurits's twin?

See my replies

Geoff

[Olaf]

Hei!
Hagbard is just a Christian name, never very common, and has no other
meaning.
Only 7 men bear the name curently in Norway.
As to the patronyms, we are getting into a period (late 1800s) where the old
patronymic system was fading out.
Olaf

I have a Norwegian Grandfather and would like to find out more about
him. His name was Lauritz Hagbard Larsen and he was born 28th May 1893
in Christiansand.

That's inconveniently contradictory. Both Larsen and Tellefsen seem to
be patronyms - "son of-" names. Lauritz's father would have had the
first name of Lars, which both pieces of data agree on, but knowing
-his- father's name seems to be where the conflict is. I think that
your best bet is to try to track down what Hagbard means in this
context.

[Geoff Rogers]

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:23:22 +0000 (UTC), Geoff Rogers
[email protected]> wrote:

"Dave Hinz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

So, he died in ~1902. There was a census in Norway in 1900 that
may
be
If you need better pointers, I can give you direct links.
I think finding two 7-year old boys on a census, in a place called
Hagbard, with mon Amelia and dad Lars isn't undo-able by any
means.
Lots of data there to work with.

I've had a look at the Norwegian 1900 census and have found a
Lauritz
Hagbard Tellefesen born 1893, parents Lars and Henriette Amalia
Tellefsen. This looks promising as my mum had a middle name of
Henrietta and her sister a middle name of Amelia.

Sounds like you have your family.

Where the Larsen
name came from I don't know.

Well, Laurits's dad's name was Lars, probably, yes? If you can find
him
with his dad in the 1865 or 1880 (?) census, you'll know more.

Lauritz married in 1921 and gave his
father as Lars Larsen and on his naturalisation forms in 1933 he
gave
his father as Lars Tellefsen. Also the twin brother story doesn't
seem
correct, although he had 3 older brothers and one of those could
have
died in a fire. Any rate I now have something to go on.

It could be that the fire was _before_ the 1900 census rather than
in
1902. The event undoubtedly happened, but his age at the time would
be
the sort of detail that could be distorted over time.

Now that you know where he lived, and what parish that is, you can
look
for his birth (baptism) records for that parish. The LDS will have
microfilms of it, most likely. There, you can find his baptism
records
showing his parents' names, sponsors' names, and the entry above or
below him should be his twin if he has one. That'd settle the twin
question - but finding his dad (his dad's place of birth is listed
on
the census in one of the right-most columns) would be helpful.

Dave Hinz

I've had a look on the LDS website and armed with data from the 1900
and 1865 census I've been able to trace Lars Tellefsen to his
christening in 1848 and his parent's marriage in1840. I've not been
able to find Lars marriage to Henriette or any of the children listed
in the 1900 census yet but I'm a lot further on now thanks to your
kind support

Regards

Geoff

[Gjest]

Thanks for the link. With it I found the census entries for both my
father's family and my mother's family.

Regarding patronyms, my father's father was Jens Olsen and in the census my
father is listed below (along with brothers and sisters) as Bjarne Olsen.
However, he chose for himself Bjarne Jensen in later life.

John Jensen
<[email protected]> wrote in message
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Hello Geoff - -

You'll find the 1900 Census record of your grandfather's family here.

http://www.rhd.uit.no/folketellinger/ft ... 045&lnr=00

Regards,

Ed

[Olaf]

Hei!
Just as an aside, here's more about the name Hagbard you may find
interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagbard_and_Signy
As for Norwegian naming practices, here's a bit of help:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... aming.html
Olaf

I think that your best bet is to try to track down what Hagbard means in
this
context.

[Geoff Rogers]

"Olaf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:030e01c58439$e516b4c0$e8704618@genealogist...

Hei!
Just as an aside, here's more about the name Hagbard you may find
interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagbard_and_Signy
As for Norwegian naming practices, here's a bit of help:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com ... aming.html
Olaf

I think that your best bet is to try to track down what Hagbard
means in
this
context.

Thanks Olaf

Very interesting

Geoff

[dn01013]

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:38:38 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Olaf)
wrote:

Hei!
Hagbard is just a Christian name, never very common, and has no other
meaning.
Only 7 men bear the name curently in Norway.

Hagbart is not that uncommon. Hagbard is either a misspelling of
Hagbart or a variety.

[Robert Heiling]

Alf Christophersen wrote:

On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 21:38:38 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Olaf)
wrote:

Hei!
Hagbard is just a Christian name, never very common, and has no other
meaning.
Only 7 men bear the name curently in Norway.

Hagbart is not that uncommon. Hagbard is either a misspelling of
Hagbart or a variety.

I'm a bit curious about that "Christian name" statement. The name looks
like a Viking name to me and not at all Christian. Somehow I don't think
Olaf meant that to be taken literally and used it as a stand in for
given-name.

Bob

[Lars Erik Bryld]

Scripsit Robert Heiling:

Hagbart is not that uncommon. Hagbard is either a misspelling of
Hagbart or a variety.

I'm a bit curious about that "Christian name" statement. The name
looks like a Viking name to me and not at all Christian. Somehow I
don't think Olaf meant that to be taken literally and used it as a
stand in for given-name.

Most Scandinavians are taught English of the British variety in which
"Christian Name" is the default term for what primarily Americans mean
with "Given Name".


--
Regards
Lars Erik Bryld