Reading image from archivalieronline.dk

[saki]

Could someone who has access to the archivalieronline.dk database help me
decipher a record? I'm reluctant to post a screenshot of the image if
there are copyright or procedural restrictions, but will do it if this is
permitted, just let me know.

The record is a birth record from Tønder in the 1832-1864 database,
Opslag 506. The top record is for Catharina Maria Petersen.

My great-grandmother had this name and was born in Tønder, but according
to her records her birthdate was Aug. 10, 1862, not April 20, 1862 as in
this record. There's no Catharina Maria Petersen born on the date I have
specified for her.

I can't make out the names of the parents. On the 1878 passenger list
when the family came to the States her father was listed as Peter Hansen
Petersen and her mother as Elise Christina, but I can't read the
parents' names clearly on Opslag 506; it doesn't look like Peter or
Elise, however.

The witnesses are difficult to read too. The first is a Catharina
____sen, the second unintelligible, and the third looks vaguely like
Lorenz Peter Petersen---which, if true, is the same name as Catharina's
future father-in-law.

Can anyone help? I'd hate to jump to conclusions about what I'm reading.
Maybe one of you can see the image more clearly than I can.

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[Dave Hinz]

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:48:07 +0000 (UTC), saki <[email protected]> wrote:

Could someone who has access to the archivalieronline.dk database help me
decipher a record? I'm reluctant to post a screenshot of the image if
there are copyright or procedural restrictions, but will do it if this is
permitted, just let me know.

Hi, Saki. If you need a webhost to put said image on (and if it's OK
to post) I can give you some room for it. My email works, you can
mail it to me or we can transfer it a different way. Let me know.

Dave Hinz

[Inger Buchard]

It's opslag 505:

It says:
Born 30. April
Bapt. 18. Mai
Catharina Maria Petersen, ægte Datter af Brygger Anders Petersen og Caroline
f. Hermannsen, 23 Aar.
faddere: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??) Petersen

meaning:
born in wedlock, daughter of brewer Anders Petersen and Caroline b.
Hermannsen, age 23
Witnesses: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??) Petersen

Inger
DK

[saki]

"Inger Buchard" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

It's opslag 505:

It says:
Born 30. April
Bapt. 18. Mai
Catharina Maria Petersen, ægte Datter af Brygger Anders Petersen og
Caroline f. Hermannsen, 23 Aar.
faddere: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??) Petersen

meaning:
born in wedlock, daughter of brewer Anders Petersen and Caroline b.
Hermannsen, age 23
Witnesses: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??)
Petersen

Inger
DK

You guys are good at this!

Sorry that it's not my ancestor. I'll keep looking for her.

I have conflicting information about her birthplace. One specifies
Tønder,the other Leck. I suspect that Tønder is correct, though the
family emigrated from Leck in 1878. Her future husband, Hans Peter
Petersen, was from Tønder as well, though I haven't been able to locate
him in the archive either (born June 6, 1850). Just as with this record I
can find a Hans Petersen born about four months earlier but not on the
exact day I need.

Many thanks for the offers of assistance. One thing I note from
perusing archivalieronline.dk is that my eyes are gradually becoming
accustomed to the various handwriting and format styles of these
records. It makes reading filmed records a lot easier for me.

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[Inger Buchard]

I have conflicting information about her birthplace. One specifies
Tønder,the other Leck. I suspect that Tønder is correct, though the
family emigrated from Leck in 1878. Her future husband, Hans Peter
Petersen, was from Tønder as well, though I haven't been able to locate
him in the archive either (born June 6, 1850).

Be aware that Leck was in the county Tønder/Tondern. This was 1920 split up
into the German part south of the border - Südtondern - and the Danish
Tønder amt. Maybe you should look in Leck instead of Tønder Købstad/town?

Inger

[saki]

"Inger Buchard" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

I have conflicting information about her birthplace. One specifies
Tønder,the other Leck. I suspect that Tønder is correct, though the
family emigrated from Leck in 1878. Her future husband, Hans Peter
Petersen, was from Tønder as well, though I haven't been able to
locate him in the archive either (born June 6, 1850).

Be aware that Leck was in the county Tønder/Tondern. This was 1920
split up into the German part south of the border - Südtondern - and
the Danish Tønder amt. Maybe you should look in Leck instead of Tønder
Købstad/town?

Thanks for the helpful advice. But Südtondern and Leck aren't included in
the archivalieronline.dk database, are they? Unless I'm missing them....

My confusion comes from not knowing exactly what database will yield
results; that and having several potential places to investigate.

My great-grandmother Catharina emigrated from Leck in 1878; my great-
grandfather Hans from Tinningstedt in 1872 (before their marriage). Both
their family names were Petersen.

But their eldest son's death certificate in Chicago from 1926 (he
predeceased his mother) lists both his parents' origins as "Tondern".
It's not clear to me whether that's the district or the town of Tønder .

If it's the district I assume that could include both Leck and
Tinningstedt. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Catharina's death certificate in Chicago (1944) lists her birthplace as
"Lick, Germany"...clearly Leck, but the informants have her parents'
names wrong so this may be inaccurate too.

Hans' death certificate from 1903 is on order from Wisconsin but that may
list only country name, not town of birth. So I'm still trying to guess
the likeliest town of origin for them both.

Is there a better online option for me than archivalieronline.dk? I'm
also beginning to look through filmed records of Leck and Tinningstedt,
though that's not as accessible, of course.

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[Inger Buchard]

See answers below:

Thanks for the helpful advice. But Südtondern and Leck aren't included in
the archivalieronline.dk database, are they? Unless I'm missing them....

http://www.arkivalieronline.dk only takes censuses and church records from the area
of the former kingdom of Denmark, not today's Danish
Nordslesvig/Sønderjylland and German Schleswig-Holstein. That one can find
records from Tønder at http://www.arkivalieronline.dk is due to some lack of logic.

It's not clear to me whether that's the district or the town of Tønder .

If it's the district I assume that could include both Leck and
Tinningstedt. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Leck is as you already know the name of both the parish and the town,
whereas Tinningstedt is a village in the neighbouring parish Karlum, also
Südtondern Amt. If you can get access to filmed copies of those two parishes
do so; you'll have to wait for rather a long time for an answer from the
Parish Office in Leck.

The only web-service is the registration of the censuses of Denmark and all
Schleswig-Holstein; but as only 1803 for Schleswig is finished you can't
find much help there. See ddd.dda.dk - take the English version. And look at
http://www.dis-danmark.dk/kipkort/ click 'Sydslesvig' and the year to find
how much is already in the database - Karlum 1845 i.e.

Inger

- pondering about the new experience of being called a guy

[saki]

Inger Buchard wrote:

It's opslag 505:

It says:
Born 30. April
Bapt. 18. Mai
Catharina Maria Petersen, ægte Datter af Brygger Anders Petersen og
Caroline
f. Hermannsen, 23 Aar.
faddere: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??)
Petersen

meaning:
born in wedlock, daughter of brewer Anders Petersen and Caroline b.
Hermannsen, age 23
Witnesses: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??)
Petersen

You guys are good at this!

Sorry that it's not my ancestor. I'll keep looking for her.

I have conflicting information about her birthplace. One was Tønder,
the other Leck. I suspect that Tønder is correct, though the family
emigrated from Leck in 1878. Her future husband, Hans Peter Petersen,
was from Tønder as well, though I haven't been able to locate him in
the archive either (born June 6, 1850). Just as with this record I can
find a Hans Petersen born about four months earlier but not on the
exact day I need.

Many thanks for the offers of assistance. One thing I note from
perusing archivalieronline.dk is that my eyes are gradually becoming
accustomed to the various handwriting and format styles of these
records. It makes reading filmed records a lot easier for me.
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[saki]

"Inger Buchard" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

www.arkivalieronline.dk only takes censuses and church records from
the area of the former kingdom of Denmark, not today's Danish
Nordslesvig/Sønderjylland and German Schleswig-Holstein. That one can
find records from Tønder at http://www.arkivalieronline.dk is due to some
lack of logic.

I was confused by that too. Still, it hasn't been a waste of time. I've
enjoyed learning how to read the records and it's a fun way to start
Danish lessons. At some point I'll have someone specifically in Denmark
to seek; my great-great-grandfather Lorenz Peter Petersen indicated in an
1880 US census that his father was born in Denmark proper. It'll be
awhile before I find out where, though.

Leck is as you already know the name of both the parish and the town,
whereas Tinningstedt is a village in the neighbouring parish Karlum,
also Südtondern Amt. If you can get access to filmed copies of those
two parishes do so; you'll have to wait for rather a long time for an
answer from the Parish Office in Leck.

I'm perusing Karlum film records now and have noted that I can order
census records for Leck as well, though only through 1860. Church records
can also be ordered covering the period 1729-1854. This would leave out
my great-geandmother's birth year (1862) but might include her parents'
marriage, so it's worth a try.

The only web-service is the registration of the censuses of Denmark
and all Schleswig-Holstein; but as only 1803 for Schleswig is finished
you can't find much help there. See ddd.dda.dk - take the English
version.

I've been using this too and find it helpful, though I'm looking forward
to the day when more records are uploaded and online.

And look at http://www.dis-danmark.dk/kipkort/ click
'Sydslesvig' and the year to find how much is already in the database
- Karlum 1845 i.e.

Thanks very much! I have this site bookmarked and have been watching
progress eagerly.

Inger

- pondering about the new experience of being called a guy

In the early days of Usenet this was more common (and I speak from
experience).

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[saki]

Inger Buchard wrote:

It's opslag 505:

It says:
Born 30. April
Bapt. 18. Mai
Catharina Maria Petersen, ægte Datter af Brygger Anders Petersen og
Caroline
f. Hermannsen, 23 Aar.
faddere: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??)
Petersen

meaning:
born in wedlock, daughter of brewer Anders Petersen and Caroline b.
Hermannsen, age 23
Witnesses: Catharina Hermannsen, Charlotte Lund, Cornelius (??)
Petersen

You guys are good at this!

Sorry that it's not my ancestor. I'll keep looking for her.

I have conflicting information about her birthplace. One was Tønder,
the other Leck. I suspect that Tønder is correct, though the family
emigrated from Leck in 1878. Her future husband, Hans Peter Petersen,
was from Tønder as well, though I haven't been able to locate him in
the archive either (born June 6, 1850). Just as with this record I can
find a Hans Petersen born about four months earlier but not on the
exact day I need.

Many thanks for the offers of assistance. One thing I note from
perusing archivalieronline.dk is that my eyes are gradually becoming
accustomed to the various handwriting and format styles of these
records. It makes reading filmed records a lot easier for me.
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[Bent Fleron]

Inger Buchard wrote:

- pondering about the new experience of being called a guy

Yes ) it certainly must be an amusing thought for a lady
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With kind Regards Bent Fleron
If you reply directly and privately please use bent (at) fleron dotdk