Help with photo ID date and cultural origin

[saki]

Could someone familiar with old wedding photos take a look at this,
please? I suspect it's my great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... d_hans.jpg

I'm curious about any clues in the photo, especially whether it
reveals any Danish or German style of matrimonial dress, particularly
for the lady.

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.

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[Huntersglenn]

saki wrote:

Could someone familiar with old wedding photos take a look at this,
please? I suspect it's my great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... d_hans.jpg

I'm curious about any clues in the photo, especially whether it
reveals any Danish or German style of matrimonial dress, particularly
for the lady.

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.

There is a S. Halsted Street in Chicago. You can try searching
city/county directories for that area to see if there was an R. A. Mink
photography studio. I don't know if photos could easily be copied back
then -- since his jacket doesn't really seem to fit properly (unless
that was the style), I'd be tempted to say that they put on their
wedding outfits and went to have their portrait done at a later date.

The photo could definitely have been taken that early. You might want
to check to see if there's a S. Halsted in any of the cities/towns where
they lived in Nebraska (I know that you've mentioned the town and county
where they were married, but I can't remember it right now).

Good luck,

Cathy

[Josef Gietzen]

Hello saki,

saki wrote:

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.
I estimate the age of the bride and groom for about 30 years. Below on

the photo is written, that the persons are "Grandma + Grandpa"

Josef

[Bernd J. Kaup]

saki wrote:

Could someone familiar with old wedding photos take a look at this,
please? I suspect it's my great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... d_hans.jpg

I'm curious about any clues in the photo, especially whether it
reveals any Danish or German style of matrimonial dress, particularly
for the lady.

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.

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the bride wears a so called Tracht. The Tracht might originate from
Schleswig (crown and flowers hanging from the collar are typical). You
may wish to send a copy of the picture to
Museum im Nissenhaus, D-25813 Husum.
They either can tell you directly or may give you hints where to further
investigate.

It is not possible to guess the date of the photo from the year when the
Tracht was first tailored. It was a custom that the bridal Tracht was
given from one generation to the other so that the bride on the picture
might be the third or fourth wearing it. So a more precise answer than:
not earlier as...til not later than... is unlikely.

BTW: the same applied to the outfit of the groom. So the guess that the
jacket does not fit, because the photo was taken, when in later years
the calm life of a husband shows, is quite unlikely. You may also
appreciate, that it was "modern" sometimes to close the upper button
only. It does look rather that way, because he seems slim enough, to be
able to use the other buttons. Thus I think that he applied modern usage
on his heritage.

mfg
bjk

[michael kenefick]

Hello Saki,

I found a listing for a B.A Mink Photographer on
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilphotos/phtoginx.htm. Perhaps this can help you set a
date range. I googled Mink +Photographer +Halsted.

This is from the web page "Following is a list of some defunct Illinois
photographers. This list is compiled from the orphan photos which have been
submitted, and from submitters’ own family photographs. The purpose of the list
is to help others date photographs they own.

You can help add to this index. Just send a list of the photographers (along
with their location) which appear on your old family photographs. If you can
give an approximate date for when the photo was taken, this will provide a time
frame for the photographer at a given location.

Send your list of photographers to lllaird@relia no spam.net. Please put
Illinois Photographers in the subject line.

If you would like additional help with dating your photographs, please contact
Tom Finson."

Mike

saki wrote:

Could someone familiar with old wedding photos take a look at this,
please? I suspect it's my great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... d_hans.jpg

I'm curious about any clues in the photo, especially whether it
reveals any Danish or German style of matrimonial dress, particularly
for the lady.

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.

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[michael kenefick]

Hello Saki,

I found a listing for a B.A Mink Photographer on
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilphotos/phtoginx.htm. Perhaps this can help you set a
date range. I googled Mink +Photographer +Halsted.

This is from the web page "Following is a list of some defunct Illinois
photographers. This list is compiled from the orphan photos which have been
submitted, and from submitters’ own family photographs. The purpose of the list
is to help others date photographs they own.

You can help add to this index. Just send a list of the photographers (along
with their location) which appear on your old family photographs. If you can
give an approximate date for when the photo was taken, this will provide a time
frame for the photographer at a given location.

Send your list of photographers to lllaird@relia no spam.net. Please put
Illinois Photographers in the subject line.

If you would like additional help with dating your photographs, please contact
Tom Finson."

Mike

saki wrote:

Could someone familiar with old wedding photos take a look at this,
please? I suspect it's my great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... d_hans.jpg

I'm curious about any clues in the photo, especially whether it
reveals any Danish or German style of matrimonial dress, particularly
for the lady.

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.

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[saki]

singhals <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

saki wrote:

Could someone familiar with old wedding photos take a look at this,
please? I suspect it's my great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... d_hans.jpg

I'm curious about any clues in the photo, especially whether it
reveals any Danish or German style of matrimonial dress, particularly
for the lady.

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.

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Nice fob the guy has, and I *adore* the way she so-properly shows just
the tip of her shoe, and the gloves she's holding. Very nicely brought
up young lady. (g)

How nice of you to say so! I have a theory that the fob---which
appears to have a cameo---is the one worn in this photo (c. 1902) of
their children. Take a look at the older boy's fob:

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... kinder.jpg

Is it the same?

I'm afraid I can't support the notion that this was taken more than a
year or so after marriage, though. The young lady has not had children
yet, and is not visibly pregnant. Are you *sure* this wasn't taken on
their wedding trip to Chicago?

It hadn't occurred to me that the couple might have had enough money
for a wedding trip, but perhaps they did. Was it the custom at the
time? Eventually (about 1893) the family moved to Chicago.

The gentleman who commented on the ages of the couple was right about
the man; he was 28. The lady was 16, however, if it was taken as early
(1878) as I believe it was.

I also appreciated the comment from the fellow who mentioned that the
veil and gardland of flowers was typically Schleswig. Both my
grandparents came from Schleswig-Holstein. I don't know the style of
dress myself so it's very helpful to have details that help me
determine the culture of the couple so I can identify them.

When did potted palms become a staple of the photographic studio?

Not sure about that; I'll check it out.

Many thanks for all the comments!

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[singhals]

saki wrote:

singhals <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

saki wrote:


Could someone familiar with old wedding photos take a look at this,
please? I suspect it's my great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... d_hans.jpg

I'm curious about any clues in the photo, especially whether it
reveals any Danish or German style of matrimonial dress, particularly
for the lady.

I'd also be glad to know whether anyone has a feel for its date. I
believe the original photo was taken in Nebraska and it was copied in
Chicago when these folks moved there c. 1890. My guess is that the
photo is from 1878 but if anyone has anything substantive to add, I'd
be most grateful, particularly if you believe that the photo could not
have been taken that early.

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Nice fob the guy has, and I *adore* the way she so-properly shows just
the tip of her shoe, and the gloves she's holding. Very nicely brought
up young lady. (g)


How nice of you to say so! I have a theory that the fob---which
appears to have a cameo---is the one worn in this photo (c. 1902) of
their children. Take a look at the older boy's fob:

http://dumes.net/familypics/Devorah_Dum ... kinder.jpg

Is it the same?

I don't *think* so. Logic suggests YES, because if it isn't an
heirloom, then the fob the standing boy has is fancier/more expensive.
However -- this one appears to be oval; the one in the other photo has a
suggestion of hour-glass type indentation. And I get a feeling of
ornate from the first one, not this one. I could be wrong, of course.

I'm afraid I can't support the notion that this was taken more than a
year or so after marriage, though. The young lady has not had children
yet, and is not visibly pregnant. Are you *sure* this wasn't taken on
their wedding trip to Chicago?


It hadn't occurred to me that the couple might have had enough money
for a wedding trip, but perhaps they did. Was it the custom at the
time? Eventually (about 1893) the family moved to Chicago.

Yes. Even if they stayed with relatives or friends in Chicago, it counted.

The gentleman who commented on the ages of the couple was right about
the man; he was 28. The lady was 16, however, if it was taken as early
(1878) as I believe it was.

I also appreciated the comment from the fellow who mentioned that the
veil and gardland of flowers was typically Schleswig. Both my
grandparents came from Schleswig-Holstein. I don't know the style of
dress myself so it's very helpful to have details that help me
determine the culture of the couple so I can identify them.

Yes, the dress tip was GREAT! And something only a native might know,
which is really wonderful.

When did potted palms become a staple of the photographic studio?


Not sure about that; I'll check it out.

Many thanks for all the comments!

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Cheryl