FTM2005 problems

[RonCrane]

1) cannot open old FTM CD's
2) outline descendant tree no longer available. Was useful tool
3) can't print pedigree view.

Seriously thinking of going back to old version. Nice interface on 2005 but
not much better in use.

Ron Crane

[Patscga]

1) cannot open old FTM CD's
2) outline descendant tree no longer available. Was useful tool
3) can't print pedigree view.

Seriously thinking of going back to old version. Nice interface on 2005 but
not much better in use.

I appreciate your sharing that with us.
Pat

[Koan]

"RonCrane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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1) cannot open old FTM CD's
2) outline descendant tree no longer available. Was useful tool
3) can't print pedigree view.

Seriously thinking of going back to old version. Nice interface on 2005
but
not much better in use.

You can open the outline descendant tree under the "report" icon.

You can open old FTM CD's under
"View : then Data Cd and then View CD


Hopefully they will let us print the pedigree view in the future, but it is
a nice new feature.

I also really like the new interface.

[Kurt F]

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"RonCrane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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1) cannot open old FTM CD's
2) outline descendant tree no longer available. Was useful tool
3) can't print pedigree view.

Seriously thinking of going back to old version. Nice interface on 2005
but
not much better in use.



You can open the outline descendant tree under the "report" icon.

You can open old FTM CD's under
"View : then Data Cd and then View CD


Hopefully they will let us print the pedigree view in the future, but it
is
a nice new feature.

I also really like the new interface.

I have been using FTM for many years. (Now v 11)
The only thing that annoys me, is that you can´t display dates in the ISO
format (YYYY-MM-DD).
Have they added that capability in FTM 2005?

Kurt F

[singhals]

Kurt F wrote:

"Koan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"RonCrane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

1) cannot open old FTM CD's
2) outline descendant tree no longer available. Was useful tool
3) can't print pedigree view.

Seriously thinking of going back to old version. Nice interface on 2005

but

not much better in use.



You can open the outline descendant tree under the "report" icon.

You can open old FTM CD's under
"View : then Data Cd and then View CD


Hopefully they will let us print the pedigree view in the future, but it

is

a nice new feature.

I also really like the new interface.


I have been using FTM for many years. (Now v 11)
The only thing that annoys me, is that you can´t display dates in the ISO
format (YYYY-MM-DD).
Have they added that capability in FTM 2005?

Kurt F

Probably not, because it would annoy their target market:
non-genealogist Americans. (g) For that matter, it would annoy me under
most conditions.

Yes, I know, it's a *standard* -- but it a voluntary-compliance issue.

Cheryl

[Kurt F]

"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Kurt F wrote:
"Koan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

"RonCrane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

1) cannot open old FTM CD's
2) outline descendant tree no longer available. Was useful tool
3) can't print pedigree view.

Seriously thinking of going back to old version. Nice interface on
2005

but

not much better in use.



You can open the outline descendant tree under the "report" icon.

You can open old FTM CD's under
"View : then Data Cd and then View CD


Hopefully they will let us print the pedigree view in the future, but it

is

a nice new feature.

I also really like the new interface.


I have been using FTM for many years. (Now v 11)
The only thing that annoys me, is that you can´t display dates in the
ISO
format (YYYY-MM-DD).
Have they added that capability in FTM 2005?

Kurt F



Probably not, because it would annoy their target market:
non-genealogist Americans. (g) For that matter, it would annoy me under
most conditions.

Yes, I know, it's a *standard* -- but it a voluntary-compliance issue.

You can´t really mean that adding the option to express dates in a third way
would upset Americans.
Besides that, I can enter the dates as YYYY-MM-DD and the program displays
the correct date backwards (Not the American backward way, but DD-MM-YYYY)
so it shouldn´t be that difficult to add (and you aren´t forced to use it
<g>).

Kurt F

[singhals]

Kurt F wrote:

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Kurt F wrote:

"Koan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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"RonCrane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...


1) cannot open old FTM CD's
2) outline descendant tree no longer available. Was useful tool
3) can't print pedigree view.

Seriously thinking of going back to old version. Nice interface on

2005

but


not much better in use.



You can open the outline descendant tree under the "report" icon.

You can open old FTM CD's under
"View : then Data Cd and then View CD


Hopefully they will let us print the pedigree view in the future, but it

is


a nice new feature.

I also really like the new interface.


I have been using FTM for many years. (Now v 11)
The only thing that annoys me, is that you can´t display dates in the

ISO

format (YYYY-MM-DD).
Have they added that capability in FTM 2005?

Kurt F



Probably not, because it would annoy their target market:
non-genealogist Americans. (g) For that matter, it would annoy me under
most conditions.

Yes, I know, it's a *standard* -- but it a voluntary-compliance issue.


You can´t really mean that adding the option to express dates in a third way
would upset Americans.

Options tend to confuse us. We like things simple.

Besides that, I can enter the dates as YYYY-MM-DD and the program displays
the correct date backwards (Not the American backward way, but DD-MM-YYYY)

Now, now, *do* try not to be parochial about it. Seems to me I've seen
a number of old documents from various places (England, Germany, France)
which give the date "September/Septembre/whatever the 3rd" rather than
3rd September/?/?

so it shouldn´t be that difficult to add (and you aren´t forced to use it
g>).

Kurt F

(G) Yeah, but look at it from the other end: why spend the time,
effort and resources to add and acceptance-test some option not more
than 1 in thousand of your customers will use, let alone want. You can
put that all into adding something everyone DOES want -- the ability to
add sound-bites, f'instance. Sure wish some of my ancestors had been
thoughtful enough to LEAVE sound-bites so I had to worry about it ...

Cheryl

[Kurt F]

"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Kurt F wrote:
"singhals" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Kurt F wrote:

I have been using FTM for many years. (Now v 11)
The only thing that annoys me, is that you can´t display dates in the

ISO format (YYYY-MM-DD).
Have they added that capability in FTM 2005?

Kurt F


Probably not, because it would annoy their target market:
non-genealogist Americans. (g) For that matter, it would annoy me under
most conditions.

Yes, I know, it's a *standard* -- but it a voluntary-compliance issue.


You can´t really mean that adding the option to express dates in a
third way
would upset Americans.

Options tend to confuse us. We like things simple.

I must admit that I didn´t know that Americans were so easy to confuse, but
OK, information received...

Besides that, I can enter the dates as YYYY-MM-DD and the program
displays
the correct date backwards (Not the American backward way, but
DD-MM-YYYY)

Now, now, *do* try not to be parochial about it. Seems to me I've seen
a number of old documents from various places (England, Germany, France)
which give the date "September/Septembre/whatever the 3rd" rather than
3rd September/?/?

Please don´t be so touchy about it. It´s not your fault. <g>
It is quite OK to write Sept 3, but I find it more difficult to accept 09-03
which is ambiguous. If the date was written either the American way
(MMDDYYYY) or the more natural YYYYMMDD, the the ambiguity shouldn´t exist.
Now FTM has two ambiguous alternatives.
Even Microsoft has acknowledged the ISO format...

so it shouldn´t be that difficult to add (and you aren´t forced to use
it
g>).

Kurt F

(G) Yeah, but look at it from the other end: why spend the time,
effort and resources to add and acceptance-test some option not more
than 1 in thousand of your customers will use, let alone want. You can
put that all into adding something everyone DOES want -- the ability to
add sound-bites, f'instance. Sure wish some of my ancestors had been
thoughtful enough to LEAVE sound-bites so I had to worry about it ...

It can´t be that hard to implement, as the program already can handle the
format. It´s only a matter of presenting the information the correct way.

This thread has already gone too far away from the original question so I´ll
end it here.

Keep walking
Kurt F

[Charlie]

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:40:36 +0200, "Kurt F"
<[email protected]> wrote:

You can´t really mean that adding the option to express dates in a third way
would upset Americans.
Besides that, I can enter the dates as YYYY-MM-DD and the program displays
the correct date backwards (Not the American backward way, but DD-MM-YYYY)
so it shouldn´t be that difficult to add (and you aren´t forced to use it
g>).

Kurt F

Kurt,

Remember, we're talking about FTM here. FTM has always maintained "as
simple as possible to appeal to the lowest common denominators out
there".... ie, dumb down the interface and remove any options so as
not to confuse grandma.

The likelyhood of that ever becoming an option in FTM is as near to
zero as one can get.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[Cùipo]

Charlie wrote:

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004 16:40:36 +0200, "Kurt F"
[email protected]> wrote:

You can´t really mean that adding the option to express dates in a third way
would upset Americans.
Besides that, I can enter the dates as YYYY-MM-DD and the program displays
the correct date backwards (Not the American backward way, but DD-MM-YYYY)
so it shouldn´t be that difficult to add (and you aren´t forced to use it
g>).
snip
Remember, we're talking about FTM here. FTM has always maintained "as
simple as possible to appeal to the lowest common denominators out
there".... ie, dumb down the interface and remove any options so as
not to confuse grandma.

The likelyhood of that ever becoming an option in FTM is as near to
zero as one can get.

A short while ago someone was talking about how unusably dumbed-down the
Legacy interface is, yet Legacy (4.0) offers five (count 'em) options
for date display, including (thankfully) YYYY-MM-DD.

Options are confusing only if you know they exist.

[Doug McDonald]

Cùipo wrote:

Options are confusing only if you know they exist.

That's the oldest fallacy in computers, and the core reason
of why the Mac was such a terrible idea, copied, unfortunately,
by Microsoft Word.

Options you don't know about are going to jump up and bite you when
you accidentally click a mouse on them or hit their shortcut key.
That's why I hate the Mac and Word.

Doug McDonald