Father of Sir John de Soulis (Soules)

[Gjest]

Dear Group: Is anyone able to enlighten me as to the parentage of the
father of Muriel Soules(Soulis) who married Richard Lovel. He is
listed as Sir John de Soulis son of Nicholas de Soulis. I am trying to
ascertain which Nicholas. There is a Nicholas who died in 1264 and
married Annora de Normanville and there is also Nicholas who died in
1296 and married Margaret Comyn.Regards:Loren

[Gjest]

On Feb 8, 6:08 am, [email protected] wrote:

Dear Group: Is anyone able to enlighten me as to the parentage of the
father of Muriel Soules(Soulis) who married Richard Lovel. He is
listed as Sir John de Soulis son of Nicholas de Soulis. I am trying to
ascertain which Nicholas. There is a Nicholas who died in 1264 and
married Annora de Normanville and there is also Nicholas who died in
1296 and married Margaret Comyn.Regards:Loren

The confusion is due to there being two Johns, sons of two Nicholas,
and some pedigree shuffling to try to claim a royal descent not
otherwise available. Nicholas de Soulis, d. 1264 is said to have
married Annora de Normanville, and he and son William are both shown
in possession of lands formerly belonging to John de Normanville which
passed to his daughters and coheiresses. Nicholas left sons William,
John and Thomas.

William married Ermengarde Durward, maternal (illegitimate)
granddaughter of Alexander II of Scotland, having son Nicholas, who
was one of the Competitors for the Scottish crown. He married Margaret
Comyn and was himself father of a William and a John.

While it is frequent to see John, the Guardian of Scotland, identified
with the younger John, son of Nicholas, he was in fact son of the
older. This Nicholas was son of 'Fulco de Sules' who had succeeded
Randolph, son of William and nephew of an earlier Randolph de Solis,
the first of the family in Scotland, apparently invited north by king
David.

This is all as reported by Thomas McMichael (and R. C. Reid) in "The
Feudal Family of Soulis" Transactions and Journal Proceedings of the
Dumfries and Galloway Natural History & Antiquarian Society, (1947-48)
3rd Ser. Vol. 26, pp. 163-193.

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