Lady Diana's Ancestry

[Leo van de Pas]

Apparently the late David Williamson has said that all four English wives of Henry VIII are ancestral aunts of Lady Diana Spencer. Three can be established, but not Catherine Howard. .

Catherine Howard has a sister Margaret who married Sir Thomas Arundell of Wardour. Burke's Peerage 1938 page 159 gives this couple a daughter Jane but married to Sir William Beville.

I have a Jane Arundell married to William Viell, their daughter Grace married Sir George Smythe.

In Lady Diana Spencer's ancestor list Sir George Smythe has numbers 4138 and 21066

Is William Vieill the same person as Sir William Beville, or was Jane Arundell married twice?

Can anyone give the answer?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia

[Gjest]

On Feb 5, 1:42 pm, "Peter Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote:

"Leo van de Pas" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...



Apparently the late David Williamson has said that all four
English wives of Henry VIII are ancestral aunts of Lady
Diana Spencer. Three can be established, but not Catherine
Howard. .

Catherine Howard has a sister Margaret who married Sir
Thomas Arundell of Wardour. Burke's Peerage 1938 page
159 gives this couple a daughter Jane but married to Sir
William Beville.

I have a Jane Arundell married to William Viell, their
daughter Grace married Sir George Smythe.

In Lady Diana Spencer's ancestor list Sir George Smythe
has numbers 4138 and 21066

Is William Vieill the same person as Sir William Beville, or
was Jane Arundell married twice?

It's a long time since I looked into this family, and my notes on the
Arundells (including these individuals) are not all verified, but I think
there were two different Janes married to two different men - first, the
daughter of Sir Thomas Arundell of Wardour, who was married to Sir William
Bevill, and second the daughter (died 1592) of Sir John Arundell of Trerice,
who was married to William Viell.

Peter Stewart

Peter is correct about the two distinct Jane Arundells. Jane Arundell
of Wardour who mar. Sir William Bevill [or Bevyle] d. without issue.
But she had a sister Dorothy (sometimes called Margaret) who mar. Sir
Henry Weston of Sutton, Surrey (d. 11 April 1592). This couple were
the parents of Sir Richard Weston (mar. Jane Dister) who is in your
database and is an ancestor of Princess Di (or whatever she may be
called!). This is how Catherine Howard is an ancestral aunt of the
Princess.

Of course, the "other" Jane Arundell (of Trerice) is also an ancestor
of the Princess.

This is based on Vivian's visitations of Cornwall, as well as an
extensive Arundell pedigree in Lawson's "Catholic Families of
England" [1887].

[[email protected]]

On Feb 5, 6:22 pm, [email protected] wrote:

On Feb 5, 1:42 pm, "Peter Stewart" <[email protected]> wrote:



"Leo van de Pas" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:[email protected]...

Apparently the late David Williamson has said that all four
English wives of Henry VIII are ancestral aunts of Lady
Diana Spencer. Three can be established, but not Catherine
Howard. .

Catherine Howard has a sister Margaret who married Sir
Thomas Arundell of Wardour. Burke's Peerage 1938 page
159 gives this couple a daughter Jane but married to Sir
William Beville.

I have a Jane Arundell married to William Viell, their
daughter Grace married Sir George Smythe.

In Lady Diana Spencer's ancestor list Sir George Smythe
has numbers 4138 and 21066

Is William Vieill the same person as Sir William Beville, or
was Jane Arundell married twice?

It's a long time since I looked into this family, and my notes on the
Arundells (including these individuals) are not all verified, but I think
there were two different Janes married to two different men - first, the
daughter of Sir Thomas Arundell of Wardour, who was married to Sir William
Bevill, and second the daughter (died 1592) of Sir John Arundell of Trerice,
who was married to William Viell.

Peter Stewart

Peter is correct about the two distinct Jane Arundells.  Jane Arundell
of Wardour who mar. Sir William Bevill [or Bevyle] d. without issue.
But she had a sister Dorothy (sometimes called Margaret) who mar. Sir
Henry Weston of Sutton, Surrey (d. 11 April 1592).  This couple were
the parents of Sir Richard Weston (mar. Jane Dister) who is in your
database and is an ancestor of Princess Di (or whatever she may be
called!).  This is how Catherine Howard is an ancestral aunt of the
Princess.

Of course, the "other" Jane Arundell (of Trerice) is also an ancestor
of the Princess.

This is based on Vivian's visitations of Cornwall, as well as an
extensive Arundell pedigree in Lawson's "Catholic Families of
England" [1887].

Leo van de Pas
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: Lady Diana's Ancestry

On Feb 5, 5:00 pm, "Leo van de Pas" <[email protected]> wrote:
In history there are several people who are remembered by a name which
may not be correct but by which they are easiest recognised
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[source]:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GE ... 1202100561
Re: Every English monarch down to Queen Elizabeth II is a descendant
of William the Conqueror, Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 20:49:2, "Leo van de
Pas" wrote: "In my data base Robert II, King of Scots descends from
Charlemagne in at least 57 different ways." His son Robert Stewart,
1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of Menteith were HM
the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother, as direct descendant
from Charlemagne and William I The Conqueror.
Robert STEWART, 1st Duke of ALBANY, Regent of Scotland, was
Lady Diana's 17-Great Grandfather. Who was the wife of Robert Steward
who was the 17-Great Grandmother of Lady Diana? Five websites have
Margaret Graham, and who does Leo have? This
is Royalty, Leo, can't you get the answer?
aaron

Dear Aaron,
It is so nice to see you have a hobby horse, but before you trot it
out
_again_ learn a few things.
I told you that Robert Stewart was an ancestor of HM the Queen in
_five_
(did this cause your confusion?) different lines, 4 via his first wife
and
one via the second.This made you jump to the conclusion I had it wrong
five
times.

I am not looking for an answer, I am expecting it to come from you.
You say
I have it wrong, you prove it. I will be delighted to change my
records.

in other words, your website is not official, just a guide
wrong in places, Leo won't change, until someone else does his work

be delighted when you change it, in the meantime be wrong

Princess Di/Lady Di's ancestors
were Robert Stewart = Margaret Graham of Menteith

be delighted when you change it, Leo, in the meantime be wrong

In Leo's data base Robert II, King of Scots descends from
Charlemagne in at least 57 different ways. His son Robert Stewart,
1st Duke/Albany, Regent/Scots = Margaret Graham of Menteith

They were HM the Queen's 17-Great Grandfather and Grandmother

be delighted when you change it, Leo, in the meantime be wrong

Robert STEWART, 1st Duke of ALBANY, Regent of Scotland, was
Princess Di/ Lady Di's 17-Great Grandfather.

be delighted when you change it, Leo, in the meantime be wrong

aaron

[wjhonson]

On Feb 5, 3:22 pm, [email protected] wrote:

Peter is correct about the two distinct Jane Arundells.  Jane Arundell
of Wardour who mar. Sir William Bevill [or Bevyle] d. without issue.
But she had a sister Dorothy (sometimes called Margaret) who mar. Sir
Henry Weston of Sutton, Surrey (d. 11 April 1592).  This couple were
the parents of Sir Richard Weston (mar. Jane Dister) who is in your
database and is an ancestor of Princess Di (or whatever she may be
called!).  This is how Catherine Howard is an ancestral aunt of the
Princess.
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Possibly but stirnet also gives as the parents of Richard Weston (the
Ambassaor, who married Jane Dister), Edmund Weston of Boston by
Catherine Camell. Perhaps Rich has a DNB entry?

Will Johnson

[Gjest]

On Feb 7, 7:43 pm, wjhonson <[email protected]> wrote:

On Feb 5, 3:22 pm, [email protected] wrote:> Peter is correct about the two distinct Jane Arundells. Jane Arundell
of Wardour who mar. Sir William Bevill [or Bevyle] d. without issue.
But she had a sister Dorothy (sometimes called Margaret) who mar. Sir
Henry Weston of Sutton, Surrey (d. 11 April 1592). This couple were
the parents of Sir Richard Weston (mar. Jane Dister) who is in your
database and is an ancestor of Princess Di (or whatever she may be
called!). This is how Catherine Howard is an ancestral aunt of the
Princess.

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Possibly but stirnet also gives as the parents of Richard Weston (the
Ambassaor, who married Jane Dister), Edmund Weston of Boston by
Catherine Camell. Perhaps Rich has a DNB entry?

Will Johnson

Stirnet is wrong. In its valiant attempt to link two probably
unrelated Weston families, it has overlooked the fact there were three
Sir Richard Westons in this particular family The elder Sir Richard
who mar. Catherine Camell (and has a bio in History of Parliament
1509-1558) was the great-grandfather of Sir Richard who mar. Jane
Dister. The latter Sir Richard had a son Sir Richard who was a noted
agriculturist.

Actually, Stirnet doesn't specify the wife of its Sir Richard, but it
clearly confused him and overlooked a few generations of the family.
For more details, see "Annals of an Old Manor House - Sutton Place,
Guildford", by Frederic Harrison, originally published in 1893, and
available in a second (and abridged) version of 1899 via Google Books.