for present day people having the right to use the coat of arms of Brittany.
This implies descendants.
Constance, Duchess of Brittany by Geoffrey had three children
1.Eleanor born in 1184 died in 1241, locked up for most of her life by King
John to prevent her from marrying and passing on her line senior to his in
regards of the English crown. She died unmarried and childless
2.Mathilde born about 1185 died in infancy
3.Arthur Duke of Brittany, born 1187, murdered in 1203, unmarried and no
children.
If Fox-Davies is correct there has to be another link. Constance married
three times in all and by her third husband had two daughters
4. Alix de Thouars, Duchess of Brittanny married Pierre I, in his wife's
righ Duke of Brittany, and their line continued the Dukes of Brittany
5. Catherine de Thouars, who married Andre de Vitre, and had descendants.
Of Constance's five children, no doubt, Alix was the most important, but
Catherine, genealogically, should not be overlooked.
Catherine is an ancestor of Canadian Gateway Anne Angelique de Falaise de
Gannes
of Jean Baptist Donatien de Vimeur, Comte de Rochambeau
Pedro IV-I Emperor and Gateway to Brazil
Crown Princess Mathilde of Belgium
10th Duke of Roxburghe
6th Duke of Westminster
Jean Luc Godard
Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark
Hugh Grant
Giovanni Agnelli
Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden
Prince William of Wales
Princess Beatrice of York
and many more.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Watson" <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Breton descent of the English royal family?
On Jan 19, 3:37 pm, [email protected] wrote:
Various British families with female-line descents from cadets of the
Royal Family quarter the Royal Arms.
For instance, the Howards quarter the arms of the Plantagenets
courtesy of their descent from Margaret Mowbray, the great-great
granddaughter of Thomas of Brotherton (son of Edward I).
Fox-Davies (Complete Guide to Heraldry) states that English families
with the right to quarter the royal arms may also displaying a quarter
for Brittany.
I can't think off the top of my head how the English royal family
could be considered the heirs of the Dukes of Brittany, or any branch
thereof.
Any ideas?
MA-R
Possibly this is it. Geoffrey of England, 4th son of Geoffrey
Plantagenet and brother of Henry II, born 23 Sept. 1158, in right of
his wife, Duke of Brittany and Earl of Richmond. He married Constance
of Brittany, daughter and heiress of Conan IV le Petit, Duke of
Brittany, Earl of Richmond, by Margaret, daughter of Henry of
Scotland, Earl of Northumberland.
Regards,
John
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