The Lords Napier: Ancestors of HRH The Duchess of York? or,

[R C]

In Ontarian Families: Genealogies of United-Empire-Loyalists and Other
Pioneer Families of Ontario.

(Edward Marion Chadwick), 1895, p. 19,

it states:



"Allan Macnab, m. Anne, dau. of Peter-William Napier, Capt. RN, Commissioner
of the Port and Harbour of Quebec, and had issue"



(among whom was Sir Allan Napier MacNab, 1st Bart, Prime Minister of the
United Province of the Canadas (aka Canada)(N.B. WARG et al., not PM of
Upper Canada, but of the successor colony, which was created as a result of
Radical Jack's famous "Durham Report", by the union of Upper and Lower
Canada in 1841).)



This Capt. Peter William Napier, R.N. is of interest because he could
provide ancestry dating back to the mediaeval period if another account of
his origins were borne out:



"The Scottish Nation", William Anderson, 1863, p. 53

"Allan Macnab.married Anne, youngest daughter of Capt. William Napier,
commissioner of the port of Quebec, of the family of Lord Napier"



Sometimes he appears only as William Napier; elsewhere, for example, the
Canadian Dictionary of National Biography, he is referred to as Peter Napier
(in articles about various others, though he has no separate entry, alas).



I wonder if anyone can account for this statement of his being "of the
family of Lord Napier"? Is this simply clannishness, or a verifiable
genealogical fact?



Many thanks,



Richard

[R C]

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Subject: Re: The Lords Napier: Ancestors of HRH The Duchess of York? or, Who
was Capt. Peter William Napier,R.N. Commissioner of the Port and Harbour of
Quebec?

M Hollick wrote:
"This family is behind HRH the Duchess of Cornwall (i.e. Camilla). See
http://www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html."

Yes, quite, (hence my query's title) but it gives no additional information,
nor does it mention the alleged link to the Lords Napier.

Richard


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[R C]

Quite, a blind spot in my subject filed editing, since I meant to type that.
Sorry, for that M. Hollick, and thank you, John Brandon, because I didn't
even notice the second time round.

Richard:)

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Sent: 28-Dec-07 3:06 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The Lords Napier: Ancestors of HRH The Duchess of York? or, Who
was Capt. Peter William Napier,R.N. Commissioner of the Port and Harbour of
Quebec?

M Hollick wrote:
"This family is behind HRH the Duchess of Cornwall (i.e. Camilla).
Seehttp://www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html."

Yes, quite, (hence my query's title) but it gives no additional
information,
nor does it mention the alleged link to the Lords Napier.

Richard

Of course, the Duchess of Cornwall is a different creature than the
Duchess of York, though your confusion is understandable.

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On Dec 28, 5:03 pm, "R C" <[email protected]> wrote:

In Ontarian Families: Genealogies of United-Empire-Loyalists and Other
Pioneer Families of Ontario.

(Edward Marion Chadwick), 1895, p. 19,

it states:

"Allan Macnab, m. Anne, dau. of Peter-William Napier, Capt. RN, Commissioner
of the Port and Harbour of Quebec, and had issue"

(among whom was Sir Allan Napier MacNab, 1st  Bart, Prime Minister of the
United Province of the Canadas (aka Canada)(N.B. WARG et al., not PM of
Upper Canada, but of the successor colony, which was created as a result of
Radical Jack's famous "Durham Report", by the union of Upper and Lower
Canada in 1841).)

This Capt. Peter William Napier, R.N. is of interest because he could
provide ancestry dating back to the mediaeval period if another account of
his origins were borne out:

"The Scottish Nation", William Anderson,  1863, p. 53

"Allan Macnab.married Anne, youngest daughter of Capt. William Napier,
commissioner of the port of Quebec, of the family of Lord Napier"

Sometimes he appears only as William Napier; elsewhere, for example, the
Canadian Dictionary of National Biography, he is referred to as Peter Napier
(in articles about various others, though he has no separate entry, alas).

I wonder if anyone can account for this statement of his being "of the
family of Lord Napier"? Is this simply clannishness, or a verifiable
genealogical fact?

Many thanks,

Richard

This family is behind HRH the Duchess of Cornwall (i.e. Camilla). See
http://www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html.

[John Brandon]

M Hollick wrote:
"This family is behind HRH the Duchess of Cornwall (i.e. Camilla). Seehttp://www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html."

Yes, quite, (hence my query's title) but it gives no additional information,
nor does it mention the alleged link to the Lords Napier.

Richard

Of course, the Duchess of Cornwall is a different creature than the
Duchess of York, though your confusion is understandable.

[John P. Ravilious]

Dear Martin, et al.,

If the Napier ancestry of the Hon. George Keppel can be traced to
the Lords Napier, that would be interesting indeed.

As to whether the Napier descent is actually part of the ancestry
of the Duchess of Cornwall, while that is widely accepted I wonder
whether anyone shall ever prove or disprove this. There is of course
the long-standing allegation - quite possibly correct - that Sonia
Rosemary (Keppel) Cubitt was not the daughter of Keppel.

Cheers,

John



On Dec 28, 5:42 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

On Dec 28, 5:03 pm, "R C" <[email protected]> wrote:



In Ontarian Families: Genealogies of United-Empire-Loyalists and Other
Pioneer Families of Ontario.

(Edward Marion Chadwick), 1895, p. 19,

it states:

"Allan Macnab, m. Anne, dau. of Peter-William Napier, Capt. RN, Commissioner
of the Port and Harbour of Quebec, and had issue"

(among whom was Sir Allan Napier MacNab, 1st Bart, Prime Minister of the
United Province of the Canadas (aka Canada)(N.B. WARG et al., not PM of
Upper Canada, but of the successor colony, which was created as a result of
Radical Jack's famous "Durham Report", by the union of Upper and Lower
Canada in 1841).)

This Capt. Peter William Napier, R.N. is of interest because he could
provide ancestry dating back to the mediaeval period if another account of
his origins were borne out:

"The Scottish Nation", William Anderson, 1863, p. 53

"Allan Macnab.married Anne, youngest daughter of Capt. William Napier,
commissioner of the port of Quebec, of the family of Lord Napier"

Sometimes he appears only as William Napier; elsewhere, for example, the
Canadian Dictionary of National Biography, he is referred to as Peter Napier
(in articles about various others, though he has no separate entry, alas).

I wonder if anyone can account for this statement of his being "of the
family of Lord Napier"? Is this simply clannishness, or a verifiable
genealogical fact?

Many thanks,

Richard

This family is behind HRH the Duchess of Cornwall (i.e. Camilla). Seehttp://www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html.

[Renia]

John P. Ravilious wrote:

Dear Martin, et al.,

If the Napier ancestry of the Hon. George Keppel can be traced to
the Lords Napier, that would be interesting indeed.

The Keppels were of Dutch extraction, IIRC. At least, Admiral Lord
Keppel's (grand)father was Dutch, I belive.

[John P. Ravilious]

Dear Renia,

True, re: the direct male line. The Hon George Keppel's mother
was Sophia Mary MacNab, daughter of Sir Allan Napier MacNab, Bart. (d.
1862) through whom a good deal of Scots (not to mention Canadian and
American) ancestry comes down to the Duchess of Cornwall, including
the Napiers.

Cheers,

John


On Dec 29, 9:51 am, Renia <[email protected]> wrote:

John P. Ravilious wrote:
Dear Martin, et al.,

If the Napier ancestry of the Hon. George Keppel can be traced to
the Lords Napier, that would be interesting indeed.

The Keppels were of Dutch extraction, IIRC. At least, Admiral Lord
Keppel's (grand)father was Dutch, I belive.

[R C]

I have found one tantalising notice in a snippet view that omits the date
but refers to filling Peter William Napier's office as Captain of the Port
of Quebec made vacant at his death, presumably sometime in the early 19th
(or late 18th) century.

Report - Page 80
by Public Archives of Canada - Canada - 1974
124 Pass of same date. 121 James Frost. For the post of captain of the port
of Quebec, vacant by the.death of Capt. Napier. 126 Lieut. Richard Peter
Tonge. ...
Snippet view

Richard

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From: [email protected]
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Sent: 29-Dec-07 5:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The Lords Napier: Ancestors of HRH The Duchess of York? or, Who
was Capt. Peter William Napier,R.N. Commissioner of the Port and Harbour of
Quebec?

Dear Martin, et al.,

If the Napier ancestry of the Hon. George Keppel can be traced to
the Lords Napier, that would be interesting indeed.

As to whether the Napier descent is actually part of the ancestry
of the Duchess of Cornwall, while that is widely accepted I wonder
whether anyone shall ever prove or disprove this. There is of course
the long-standing allegation - quite possibly correct - that Sonia
Rosemary (Keppel) Cubitt was not the daughter of Keppel.

Cheers,

John



On Dec 28, 5:42 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

On Dec 28, 5:03 pm, "R C" <[email protected]> wrote:



In Ontarian Families: Genealogies of United-Empire-Loyalists and Other
Pioneer Families of Ontario.

(Edward Marion Chadwick), 1895, p. 19,

it states:

"Allan Macnab, m. Anne, dau. of Peter-William Napier, Capt. RN,
Commissioner
of the Port and Harbour of Quebec, and had issue"

(among whom was Sir Allan Napier MacNab, 1st Bart, Prime Minister of
the
United Province of the Canadas (aka Canada)(N.B. WARG et al., not PM of
Upper Canada, but of the successor colony, which was created as a result
of
Radical Jack's famous "Durham Report", by the union of Upper and Lower
Canada in 1841).)

This Capt. Peter William Napier, R.N. is of interest because he could
provide ancestry dating back to the mediaeval period if another account
of
his origins were borne out:

"The Scottish Nation", William Anderson, 1863, p. 53

"Allan Macnab.married Anne, youngest daughter of Capt. William Napier,
commissioner of the port of Quebec, of the family of Lord Napier"

Sometimes he appears only as William Napier; elsewhere, for example, the
Canadian Dictionary of National Biography, he is referred to as Peter
Napier
(in articles about various others, though he has no separate entry,
alas).

I wonder if anyone can account for this statement of his being "of the
family of Lord Napier"? Is this simply clannishness, or a verifiable
genealogical fact?

Many thanks,

Richard

This family is behind HRH the Duchess of Cornwall (i.e. Camilla).
Seehttp://www.wargs.com/royal/camilla.html.

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