John Fox

[Gjest]

John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina
Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901
but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their
any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee

[Jane Benn]

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:57:48 -0800 (PST), [email protected]
wrote:

John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina
Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901
but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their
any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee

You might try the cemetery records. They may not have that
information, but it can't hurt to ask.

Cobourg is in Hamilton township, Northumberland county.

http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search

--
Jane

[Charles Ellson]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:30:49 -0500, Jane Benn
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:57:48 -0800 (PST), [email protected]
wrote:

John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina
Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901
but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their
any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee

You might try the cemetery records. They may not have that
information, but it can't hurt to ask.

Cobourg is in Hamilton township, Northumberland county.

http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search

Unless there is a specific description of "widow" in a census it isn't

always safe to assume that the husband is deceased, he might only have
been absent from the household at the time of the census.

[Jane Benn]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:35:34 +0000, Charles Ellson
<[email protected]> wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:30:49 -0500, Jane Benn
[email protected]> wrote:

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:57:48 -0800 (PST), [email protected]
wrote:

John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina
Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901
but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their
any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee

You might try the cemetery records. They may not have that
information, but it can't hurt to ask.

Cobourg is in Hamilton township, Northumberland county.

http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search

Unless there is a specific description of "widow" in a census it isn't
always safe to assume that the husband is deceased, he might only have
been absent from the household at the time of the census.

True. I have found people formerly living with families but listed as
residents in hospitals in a subsequent census.

However, someone listed as a husband in 1901 is certainly dead by now,
and I saw a few names in the Catholic church cemetery in Cobourg that
might have been this family, so it is still a reasonable place to
look, even if you don't know exactly when he died.

--
Jane

[T.M. Sommers]

Charles Ellson wrote:

On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:30:49 -0500, Jane Benn
[email protected]> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:57:48 -0800 (PST), [email protected]
wrote:

John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina
Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901
but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their
any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee

You might try the cemetery records. They may not have that
information, but it can't hurt to ask.

Cobourg is in Hamilton township, Northumberland county.

http://www.islandnet.com/cgi-bin/ms2/jveinot/search

Unless there is a specific description of "widow" in a census it isn't
always safe to assume that the husband is deceased, he might only have
been absent from the household at the time of the census.

Even if it does say "widow" the husband may have been alive,
because "widow", in addition to its meaning today, also meant
separated or abandoned.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- [email protected] -- AB2SB

[ecunningham]

[email protected] wrote:

John Fox of Cobourg, Ontaqrio, Canada. Husband of Ellan Christina
Farry. The Canadian cencus records show him as head of house in 1901
but in 1911 the cencus shows his wife Ellan as head of house. Is their
any way to find out how he died? Thank you. Dee

List: Ontario Deaths are online via Ancestry. Dee has been advised of
the particular information. John died 1909.
[email protected]

[clifto]

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Even if it does say "widow" the husband may have been alive,
because "widow", in addition to its meaning today, also meant
separated or abandoned.

I have a couple just like that, living a few farms apart, each listed as
widowed. William Taylor b. 15 Jan 1850 and Caroline Evaline Sharp b.
23 Dec 1852 are the ones, in the 1920 census, roll 632.

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[T.M. Sommers]

clifto wrote:

T.M. Sommers wrote:

Even if it does say "widow" the husband may have been alive,
because "widow", in addition to its meaning today, also meant
separated or abandoned.

I have a couple just like that, living a few farms apart, each listed as
widowed. William Taylor b. 15 Jan 1850 and Caroline Evaline Sharp b.
23 Dec 1852 are the ones, in the 1920 census, roll 632.

I have a case where the husband said he was married, but the wife
said she was widowed. I guess they couldn't agree on much of
anything.

The interesting thing is the implications of such cases for the
question of divorce. Those who decry today's high divorce rates
ignore, or are unaware of, the fact that just because divorce is
difficult or impossible does not mean that families stay
together; it just means that estranged spouses are forced to live
alone or live in sin, as it were.

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- [email protected] -- AB2SB