I need two software products

[Gjest]

1. A Book printing software that is NOT based on Ahnentafel format.

I want something that will print the book in Biography format by
family not by numbers and generations.

Example:

Joe Smith was born on December 1, 1830 in Harvey, Connecticut. His
parents were Matthew Smith and Joesphine Comstock. Joe married
Precilla Weston in 1870 in Hartford Connecticut. They had seven
children: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Amos,Andy, and Jose.

Mathew Smith was born in 1871 in Dover Connecticut.

Et, Et, Et..............


The second piece I need is something that will allow me to put an
interactive tree on CD Rom with an autostart capability. The tree
would then be cross referenced to the above book. Even if I have to do
it manually after the fact through Hypertext links. That's ok.

In the autostart I want an Introductory page where I can place a
series of facts and pictures. Like a slide show.

All of this must not be software, add-in or driver dependant.

And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.

The product(s) must be able to handle a database of at least 4500.

[Jerald H. Mathews]

RootsMagic is capable of book generation like you describe. It also
will build web sites in HTML that you can custiomize.

http://www.rootsmagic.com

Regards,
Jerry M.


[email protected] wrote:

1. A Book printing software that is NOT based on Ahnentafel format.

I want something that will print the book in Biography format by
family not by numbers and generations.

Example:

Joe Smith was born on December 1, 1830 in Harvey, Connecticut. His
parents were Matthew Smith and Joesphine Comstock. Joe married
Precilla Weston in 1870 in Hartford Connecticut. They had seven
children: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Amos,Andy, and Jose.

Mathew Smith was born in 1871 in Dover Connecticut.

Et, Et, Et..............

The second piece I need is something that will allow me to put an
interactive tree on CD Rom with an autostart capability. The tree
would then be cross referenced to the above book. Even if I have to do
it manually after the fact through Hypertext links. That's ok.

In the autostart I want an Introductory page where I can place a
series of facts and pictures. Like a slide show.

All of this must not be software, add-in or driver dependant.

And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.

The product(s) must be able to handle a database of at least 4500.

[Donald Newcomb]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

In the autostart I want an Introductory page where I can place a
series of facts and pictures. Like a slide show.

All of this must not be software, add-in or driver dependant.

And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.

The product(s) must be able to handle a database of at least 4500.

Family Origins did something like this, except:
The writing was very stilted and repetitive. If you entered a location as
"Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, USA" it would repeat this over and
over everywhere the location was used. In essence, every fact in the
database created a sentence and the sentences were thrown together to make a
book. Before publication, a lot of hand editing was required.

The only way to keep the book from being "stolen" is to encrypt it so that
it can only be displayed by a licensed program that does not permit
printing. That's beyond my experience.

--

--
Donald R. Newcomb
DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

1. A Book printing software that is NOT based on Ahnentafel format.

I want something that will print the book in Biography format by
family not by numbers and generations.

Example:

Joe Smith was born on December 1, 1830 in Harvey, Connecticut. His
parents were Matthew Smith and Joesphine Comstock. Joe married
Precilla Weston in 1870 in Hartford Connecticut. They had seven
children: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Amos,Andy, and Jose.

Mathew Smith was born in 1871 in Dover Connecticut.

Et, Et, Et..............

Many genealogy programs will do something like this. Some will also

allow you to generate the "canned" program to an RTF file, then take
it into a word processor to fix up "just right".

The second piece I need is something that will allow me to put an
interactive tree on CD Rom with an autostart capability. The tree
would then be cross referenced to the above book. Even if I have to do
it manually after the fact through Hypertext links. That's ok.

This is trivial. Loats of free software will provide the autostart

capability, and the interactive tree is also available for free. I
particularly like GED2WWW, but there are many available.

In the autostart I want an Introductory page where I can place a
series of facts and pictures. Like a slide show.

No problem.
All of this must not be software, add-in or driver dependant.

And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.

This part is impossible.

The product(s) must be able to handle a database of at least 4500.

No problem.

Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[singhals]

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:


And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.



This part is impossible.

Difficult yes, impossible, no. I've been on pages that do it.
Cursor-over is disabled, save-as is disabled, and even print nad
print-screen are disabled. I have NO clue how it's done (probably JAVA
though) but it sure would be good to learn!

Tutors welcome.

Cheryl

[Charlie Hoffpauir]

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:32:00 -0500, singhals <[email protected]>
wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:


And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.



This part is impossible.

Difficult yes, impossible, no. I've been on pages that do it.
Cursor-over is disabled, save-as is disabled, and even print nad
print-screen are disabled. I have NO clue how it's done (probably JAVA
though) but it sure would be good to learn!

Tutors welcome.

Cheryl


Well, it's always possible that I misinterpreted the OP. When he said

"....it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,copied or
stolen...."
I thought he was speaking about a CD, not a web page, and by "nome" I
thought he meant "none". And I would agree that it's possible to
protect against copying by "some" people, but certainly not "all"
people.
Charlie Hoffpauir
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

[T.M. Sommers]

singhals wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:

And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.

This part is impossible.

Difficult yes, impossible, no. I've been on pages that do it.
Cursor-over is disabled, save-as is disabled, and even print nad
print-screen are disabled. I have NO clue how it's done (probably JAVA
though) but it sure would be good to learn!

The OP also added the requirement that "All of this must not be
software, add-in or driver dependant." The solution you propose
requires cooperation from the browser, if a web environment is
assumed. Nothing stops anyone from using an uncooperative
browser, or from fetching the pages by other means (telnet, for
instance).

--
Thomas M. Sommers -- [email protected] -- AB2SB

[K0BBE]

singhals smeet het volgende in de groep:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected]
wrote:

And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be
printed, copied or stolen except if they want to take forever
to retype it.
This part is impossible.

Difficult yes, impossible, no. I've been on pages that do it.
Cursor-over is disabled, save-as is disabled, and even print nad
print-screen are disabled. I have NO clue how it's done
(probably JAVA though) but it sure would be good to learn!

Tutors welcome.

I have copy-protected my web page.
When another does the same...: I know how to breack such
protection.

In fact: it is impossible to protect something on the internet.
I have only the intention to discourage copying. I want "contact"
with my visitors when they want something.

--
K0BBE
:: familiewebblad: [ http://tinyurl.com/csb8n ]
:: e-adres: incorrect

[Dave Hinz]

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 20:42:46 +0100, K0BBE <[email protected]> wrote:

singhals smeet het volgende in de groep:

Difficult yes, impossible, no. I've been on pages that do it.
Cursor-over is disabled, save-as is disabled, and even print nad
print-screen are disabled. I have NO clue how it's done
(probably JAVA though) but it sure would be good to learn!

I have copy-protected my web page.
When another does the same...: I know how to breack such
protection.

Of course. If it can be displayed, it can be copied, saved,
manipulated, or whatever. Period.

In fact: it is impossible to protect something on the internet.
I have only the intention to discourage copying. I want "contact"
with my visitors when they want something.

That's a reasonable attitude to take. Kind of "Here's the data in
presentation format; if you want it in gedcom format, let's talk about
how we're related".

Dave Hinz

[Bill Harrison]

Hi All

If you want to protect your webpages try out AeroTags TagsLock Pro software
at http://www.aerotags.com/ this product will encrypt your pages and/or
allow you to setup password protected areas on your site

regards

Bill



----- Original Message -----
From: "singhals" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: I need two software products

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:


And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.



This part is impossible.

Difficult yes, impossible, no. I've been on pages that do it. Cursor-over
is disabled, save-as is disabled, and even print nad print-screen are
disabled. I have NO clue how it's done (probably JAVA though) but it sure
would be good to learn!

Tutors welcome.

Cheryl

[Dave Hinz]

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:37:40 +0000 (UTC), "Bill Harrison" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi All

If you want to protect your webpages try out AeroTags TagsLock Pro software
at http://www.aerotags.com/ this product will encrypt your pages

If they're encrypted, then nobody can read them without decrypting
software. If you give it to them, your site isn't protected.

and/or
allow you to setup password protected areas on your site

Ah, kind of like the .htaccess and similar mechanisms built right into
the Apache webserver - which is free and secure?

Sorry, Bill, but this commercial product doesn't do anything that the
open-source community hasn't been doing for years. And if it works the
way their site seems to say, the "encryption" doesn't do what I think
you think it does.

[singhals]

T.M. Sommers wrote:

singhals wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:


And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.


This part is impossible.


Difficult yes, impossible, no. I've been on pages that do it.
Cursor-over is disabled, save-as is disabled, and even print nad
print-screen are disabled. I have NO clue how it's done (probably
JAVA though) but it sure would be good to learn!


The OP also added the requirement that "All of this must not be
software, add-in or driver dependant." The solution you propose
requires cooperation from the browser, if a web environment is assumed.
Nothing stops anyone from using an uncooperative browser, or from
fetching the pages by other means (telnet, for instance).

Good point. Anything you put on a CD can be copied. It's probably NOT
possible to share something with anyone without running the risk of
their stealing it by printing off a hard copy.

Cheryl

[Doug McDonald]

singhals wrote:

Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:

On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 19:21:22 GMT, [email protected] wrote:


And above all, it must all be locked so nome of it can be printed,
copied or stolen except if they want to take forever to retype it.



This part is impossible.

Difficult yes, impossible, no.

Impossible, except as video. Even that can be kludged if it ever
appears in a memory buffer. I have programs that will copy
the screen buffer directly from a standard video card buffer memory,
so even programs that inhibit "print screen" don't work.

And of course, there is that device, the "camera", which goes
to the "printer" and thence to the "OCR scanner", though the
latter step can be stopped by handwriting.

Doug McDonald

[Bill Harrison]

Hi Dave et al

H'mmm

Food for thought eh ....

I've just been bitten by WhollyGenes.com .... bought their FamilyTree Super
Tools Prog and found it won't accept my Legacy Files .... got an email from
them saying they are aware of the problem and are working towards a fix but
no date for release .... not much use to me

Maybe they should think about renaming themselves WhollyCrap !!!

regards

Bill


----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Hinz" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: I need two software products

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 10:37:40 +0000 (UTC), "Bill Harrison"
[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All

If you want to protect your webpages try out AeroTags TagsLock Pro
software
at http://www.aerotags.com/ this product will encrypt your pages

If they're encrypted, then nobody can read them without decrypting
software. If you give it to them, your site isn't protected.

and/or
allow you to setup password protected areas on your site

Ah, kind of like the .htaccess and similar mechanisms built right into
the Apache webserver - which is free and secure?

Sorry, Bill, but this commercial product doesn't do anything that the
open-source community hasn't been doing for years. And if it works the
way their site seems to say, the "encryption" doesn't do what I think
you think it does.

[Gjest]

The whole point of the question is that I DO NOT want it published on
the Internet, by me or anyone else. But I do want to distribute it to
those who have contributed over the years and to those who just want
to see it. I don't want 30 years of work to end up on Ancestry.com.
Simple. Unless the slimy person wants to take forever to retype the
material. But each CD will come with a curse for those who do that
too. And a harsh cover page warning against unauthorized use.

I did take a look at Roots Magic and it's narrative reports are VERY
close to what I want. Their CD generation module is not. It's
dependant on their software for viewing.

Unfortunately the Hyperlink capability from the text is not there in
their narrative reports. I have contacted them directly to see if they
would consider making some additions or modifications in future
releases.

I am truly disgusted at the lack of reporting capability in many of
the mainstream packages. They are all dependant on outdated formats
and 18th century attitudes. None of them are thinking a truly
multimedia experience for those viewing the information.

Here's the Smith Family.
Picture - Click here
Video of their 50th Anniversary Party - Click Here.

Quite frankly most of the softwares except maybe TMG are deploably
lacking in the scope of detail they can cover easily. They are all
designed around Genealogy with no concept of History.

Simple things like:

Joe was born in 1950. What major events happened the year he was born.
What major events happened in the family. Was Joe Famous. Here are
some newspaper clippings and some links to items about Joe on the
Internet. Et, et, et......

Some day the majority of users will quit following the FTM herd.

Probably not in my lifetime.

Thanks to all who answered my questions.

[Paul Blair]

[email protected] wrote:

The whole point of the question is that I DO NOT want it published on
the Internet, by me or anyone else. But I do want to distribute it to
those who have contributed over the years and to those who just want
to see it. I don't want 30 years of work to end up on Ancestry.com.
Simple. Unless the slimy person wants to take forever to retype the
material. But each CD will come with a curse for those who do that
too. And a harsh cover page warning against unauthorized use.

I did take a look at Roots Magic and it's narrative reports are VERY
close to what I want. Their CD generation module is not. It's
dependant on their software for viewing.

Unfortunately the Hyperlink capability from the text is not there in
their narrative reports. I have contacted them directly to see if they
would consider making some additions or modifications in future
releases.

I am truly disgusted at the lack of reporting capability in many of
the mainstream packages. They are all dependant on outdated formats
and 18th century attitudes. None of them are thinking a truly
multimedia experience for those viewing the information.

Here's the Smith Family.
Picture - Click here
Video of their 50th Anniversary Party - Click Here.

Quite frankly most of the softwares except maybe TMG are deploably
lacking in the scope of detail they can cover easily. They are all
designed around Genealogy with no concept of History.

Simple things like:

Joe was born in 1950. What major events happened the year he was born.
What major events happened in the family. Was Joe Famous. Here are
some newspaper clippings and some links to items about Joe on the
Internet. Et, et, et......

Some day the majority of users will quit following the FTM herd.

Probably not in my lifetime.

Thanks to all who answered my questions.

You hit the nail right on the head.

Late last year there was some discussion here that related to
forthcoming Microsoft software changes, along the lines that this would
require some major rewrites of genie software. So maybe this would be
the time to rethink some of the packages. Let's face it - for US$30 you
aren't buying much creativity. Or functionality.

Is is time to try to tell the major software houses what we want,
instead of merely taking what they foist on us?

Paul Blair

[Dave Hinz]

On Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:00:25 GMT, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

The whole point of the question is that I DO NOT want it published on
the Internet, by me or anyone else. But I do want to distribute it to
those who have contributed over the years and to those who just want
to see it. I don't want 30 years of work to end up on Ancestry.com.
Simple. Unless the slimy person wants to take forever to retype the
material.

Then send it as printouts.

But each CD will come with a curse for those who do that
too. And a harsh cover page warning against unauthorized use.

That's a great way to get people not to give you any more information in
the future. If that's your goal, by all means, go for it.

I am truly disgusted at the lack of reporting capability in many of
the mainstream packages. They are all dependant on outdated formats
and 18th century attitudes. None of them are thinking a truly
multimedia experience for those viewing the information.

Well, your tone certainly won't inspire them to want to help you.