Joseph Laumann, Jevne Glassverk

[Marit Bredeveien]

Er det noen som vet om Joseph Laumann,68 år i 1801-tellingen for Fåberg, er bror til Maria Magdalena Laumann, 36 år ,og gift med Frans Ferdinand Landgraf? Synes aldersforskjellen er stor, kan hun være hans datter?

Mvh.
Marit Bredeveien

[dn08363]

Joseph Nicolaus Laumann, f. 1733 i Bøhmen, Tsjekkia. D. 17/7 1807 i Fåberg. Kom til Norge fra Praha 1789 sammen med kona Margrethe, 8 barn og en svigersønn som het Landgraff. Arbeidet først på Hurdal Glasverk, som spesialist på "tafelglas". I 1792 flytta de til Fåberg. Her ble han hyttemester på nystartede Jevne Glasverk. Forannevnte Landgraff ble forvalter.

Joseph og Margrethes barn:
Lorentz Laumann
Bertel Laumann
Valborg Laumann
Sebastian Laumann
Anna Catherina Lovise Laumann
Jorgen Jergel Laumann
Johann Peter Laumann
Maria Magdalena Landgraff (Laumann)

[dn12117]

Hei Marit.

Her har du litt historie fra Jevne glassverk Søker du på Jevne Glassverk på Nettet så får du opp mere historie om du vil lese det.

Ser at Landgraf - navnet er nevnt her.

[Marit Bredeveien]

Hei Torgeir!

Nå ble jeg kjempeglad, Joseph er min tipp,tipp,tipp,tippoldefar!Har heller ikke visst navnet på hans ektefelle,men nå vet jeg det og.
Tusen takk for hjelpa!

Mvh.
Marit

[Marit Bredeveien]

Hei Lillian!

Takk for svar, jeg har lest mye om Jevne glassverk, spesielt i bindene om "De kngl. Norske priviligerte glassverk og Christiania glassverk". Landgraf har mange etterkommere i Norge,og han var bestefar til Berte Josefsdatter som jeg "styrer" så med om dagen (du har jo hjulpet meg !)

Hilsen Marit

[dn08363]

Her er det en link til div. opplysninger om Landgraf(f) og Laumann.www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1024&bih=705&q=site:.faberghistorielag.no/assets/docs/hattestad+laumann+|+landgraf+|+landgraff&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

[dn26520]

Greetings!

Joseph Nicolaus Laumann was my great-great-great-great-great grandfather. After many years of research, I have not been able to find where in Saxony he was from, or what his wife's maiden name was. I do know that his eldest grandson, my ancestor, Joseph Landgraff, was born in Saxony in about 1782. I do not know where Johan Landgraff, his next granson, was born, but he was born in about 1784. His grandsons, Frantz Landgraff and Anthonius Landgraff, were born in Goteborg, Sweden, in 1786 and 1788 respectively, and that Joseph Laumann and his wife were probably there at the time. I will forward this link, and hope that it is of some value: http://www.geriksen.com/slekt/default.htm

[gj13430]

Hei Marit
Det er mulig vi har felles 3tippoldeforeldre.
Har du funnet fortegnelse på familien til Joseph Landgraff født 1783?
Mvh Sverre Nilsen

[Marit Bredeveien]

Hei !
Joseph Langraf er min tipp,tipp-oldefar.Hans far Frants Fedinand Landgraf f.1754 d.1817. er min 3tipp. Frans Ferdinand var gift med Maria Magdalena Laumann, f.1765 d.1845 ,datter av Joseph Laumann f.1733 d.1807,så Joseph Laumann er min 4 tipp.Han var gift med Maria Margrethe f.1732 d.1799.
Joseph Landgraf f.1782 i Sachsen d.1850 Eda Sverige,hadde 12 barn med 6 forskjellige kvinner.Min tippoldemor er Berte Josepsdatter f.1803, mor er Lisbeth Frederichsdatter, Fåberg.Nå er jeg spent på hvem av Josephs barn som er "din".Jeg har navn på alle,både barn og kvinner,søker du opplysninger om det, eller har du det?

Mvh.
Marit

[Marit Bredeveien]

Hello,

Joseph Landgraf was born in 1782 in Saxony,died in Eda,Sweden, in 1850. He is my great-great father. He had 12 children with 6 different women - who of them is "yours"?

Regards

Marit

[dn26520]

Greetings!

Joseph Landgraff was my great-great-great grandfather. I am a descendant of his daughter Anthonette Landgraff who was born at Faaberg, Oppland, on 10 July 1812:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-276
You notice that her name at baptism was Juliana Anthonette Gregine. She was illegitimate, as were many of his children. Her mother was Anne Larsdatter, with whom he also had a daughter, Maria Elizabeth Landgraff:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-179
It seems that Joseph Landgraff moved around a great deal in his life helping to manage various glass factories. He was born on 20 February 1782 in Saxony (this birth date I got from one of the household census in Sweden). When he was very young he moved with his parents and grandparents to Goteborg, Sweden. It seems they then moved to Hurdal, Akershus. They then moved to Biri, Oppland, for a time and then on to Faaberg, Oppland. After that he lived in other parts of Norway, and finally on to Sweden. He lived most of the rest of his life in Stavnas and Eda, Varmland, Sweden. He did for a short time, also live in Denmark. He died on 11 May 1850 at the Eda Glasbruck, Eda, Varmland, Sweden. He was buried in Eda on 19 May 1850.

Joseph Landgraff's father, Frants Ferdinand Landgraff, died in Skjeberg, Oestfold, Norway, on 12 August 1817:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-105
Joseph Landgraff's mother, Maria Magdalena Laumann Landgraff, died in 1845 at Forssebohl Torp, Freandefors, Alvsborg, Sweden, and was buried in Freandefors, Alvsborg, Sweden on 18 January 1845.

[Marit Bredeveien]

Hei!

Jeg ønsker hjelp til å finne ut hvor Josef Landgraf holdt til i Danmark?

Hilsen Marit

[gj13544]

Hei igjen Marit. Hvis Joseph Landgraff arbeidet ved et glassverk i den tida han var i Danmark er det ikke så mange muligheter. Såvidt jeg husker var det bare to glassverk i drift i Danmark i tidsrommet 1833- 1835: Holmegaard glasværk i Fensmark sogn i Præstø amt og Conradsminde glasverk som ble startet opp i 1834. Conradsminde lå på Jylland, i Ravnkilde Sogn i Aalborgs amt.

Jeg finner ham i utflyttingslistene fra Eda. Han reiste til Danmark sammen med familien i november 1833, men jeg har ikke klart å finne ham i flyttelister fra Fensmark eller Ravnkilde. Det kan jo være at han ikke arbeidet på glassverk i Danmark. Det finnes en søkbar folketelling fra Danmark i 1834. Jeg finner ham ikke der heller. Men trolig er ikke alle sogn tastet inn ennå.

Mvh
Anne

[Marit Bredeveien]

Hei!

Tusen takk for hjelp, jeg vet ikke helt hvordan jeg søker i Sverige og Danmark,men jeg har fått mye hjelp via DIS,så jeg er så takknemlig for det!

Hilsen Marit

[dn26520]

In 2011 you stated that Joseph Lauman was born in Bohemia. How do you know this? I know that Joseph Landgraff, Joseph Lauman's grandson, was born in Saxony. He gave this as his own birthplace on several occasions. I also have read that Joesph Landgraff's mother, Maria Magdalena Lauman, was born in Saxony and that she and her husband, Frants Fersinand Landgraff, were married in Saxony. I have read that Maria Magdalena Lauman's parents, Joseph Lauman and Margareta Lauman, were from Saxony. I have read that Frants Ferdinand Landgraff came from Bohemia. So again, I am curious how you know that Joseph Lauman was from Bohemia. I have tried for many years to find actual documentation to prove that these people were actually from these places. Please share the documentation to prove these things.

[gj13544]

I don't know where Joseph Laumann was born, but his oldest son, Lorentz, was born in Bohemia. Here is his funeral notice from 1823 http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-105. "Født i Bohmen" i.e. born in Bohemia.

A contemporary source says that Frantz Landgraff came forom Bavaria. Christen Pram visited Jevne glassworks in 1804. He met Frantz Landgraf there, and in his report from the visit he called Landgraff "en Tydsker fra Bayern" i.e. "a German from Bavaria. Christen Pram was a civil servant and poet/novellist. His report about his visit to Jevne was sent to the ministery in Copenhagen.

Johan Landgraff, the second son of Frantz Landgraff og Maria Magdalena Laumann, has given his birth-place as "Preusen" (Prussia). The documentation for this is to be found in the household register for Sölje glassworks in Stavnäs, Sweden 1816-1820.

All this shows that the German glassblowers travelled extensively from glasshut to glasshut also in the German lands.

Til Marit.
Du kan finne danske kirkebøker på nett på Statens Arkivalier online http://www.sa.dk/ao/ og søkbare folketellinger her http://www.ddd.dda.dk/soeg_person_selv.asp. Svenske kirkebøker er dessverre bare tilgjengelige på betalingstjenester.

Mvh
Anne

[dn26520]

Thank you very much for answering my query, and pointing out that Lorentz Laumann was born in Bohemia. I also have not found where Johan Landgraff was born. I know that the oldest child of Frants Ferdinand Landgraff and Maria Magdalena Laumann, Joseph Landgraff, gave his own birthplace as Saxony. Frantz Landgraff, whom I believe was their third child, was born on 20 January 1786 at Kristine, Goteborg, Sweden. Anthonius was born there also on 27 September 1788. Joseph Ferdiandus "Ferdinand" was baptized at Hurdal, Akershus, on 23 March 1791. The youngest two children, Maria Elizabeth and Friderich David, were both baptized at Faberg on 24 September 1793 and 28 February 1796, respectively.