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Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

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I had such a great response to my last brick wall, I thought I'd try another!

My ggGrandparents were Johan Fredrik (Fredrik) MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN. They emigrated from Norway to NZ in 1872 aboard the "Høvding".

I cannot find any records of Anne Marie's birth, christening or parents. Nor can I find records for her marriage to Fredrik except for this one at FamilySearch.org:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... rompage=99.

I would also like to confirm parents for Fredrik. One possibility is that they were Morten MORTENSEN and Martha KELENGER, but I suspect this is incorrect. Another possibility is Morten JENSEN and Marthe SIMONSDATTER:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... dly=Norway

According to the 1865 census Anne Marie was b. about 1820 Agershus Amt., Norway and Fredrik was b. about 1827 Agers Prgj.
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 1&spraak=e

Fredrik and Anne Marie were probably married between 1846 and 1852. Someone gave me an unsourced date of 1845, but I suspect that is incorrect.

I have a list of all their children and many of their New Zealand descendants. Anne Marie also had a daughter, Andrea Lovise, to Søren Samuel GADE (not married).

Fredrik and Anne Marie are found in the census with their children:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 1&spraak=e

I have some info on the family posted at
http://www.norsewoodcemetery.co.nz/m/mo ... -mary.html

One curious thing: My gGrandfather, Hans MORTENSEN, son of Fredrik and Anne Marie referred to Maren Helene HALVORSDATTER or GUNDERSEN (father Halvor GUNDERSEN) as "aunty". This has left us wondering if Maren and Anne Marie are sisters??

Maren's marriage to Johan Christian (Christian) MANDAHL can be found here:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... &region=12

Maren and Christian also emigrated to New Zealand.

Thanks.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 10.56

Hi Pip!

I start with the "easy" part, confirm the childrens births. I dont see you have Marthe Mathildes dob.

Churchrecord:
Aker MINI 20 (1853-1857) page 18 christening no. 82
Born August 6th 1852, chr. May 16th, 1853
Marthe Mathilde (born to married parents)

Father: Carpenter Johan Fredrik Mortensen and his wife Anne Marie Halvorsen.
They lived at Østre Saugene (East Sagene).

Witnesses:
Petter Olsen, Andreas Halvorsen, Antonette Larsdatter, Petrine Danielsdatter and Marie Mortensdatter.

I will suggest that Aandreas Halvorsen and Marie Mortensdatter are relatives. Marie might be JFMs sister?
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 11.05

The next one is interesting:

Churchrecord:
Aker MINI 20 (1853-1857) page 133 christening no. 21
Born January 13th, chr. February 25th 1855
Augusta Friderikka (born to married parents)

Parents:
Carpenter Frederik Mortensen and Wife Anne Marie Halvorsdatter
Østre Saugene

Halvorsdatter gives an important clue - her father was a Halvor. (Halvorsen could be her fathers last name also - but this confirms her fathers name).

Witnesses:
Saddlemaker Halvorsen, Carpenter Ammundsen, Andreas Hansen, unmarried Jensen and Madam Halvorsen.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 12.16

Number 72 here is your grandfather

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-39

it is very slow, be patient.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 12.27

And, wedding #5 here is the original for JOhan Christian Mandahl and Maren Helene

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-90

notice that Maren Helene was born in Ager, and, one of the witnesses, A. Halvorsen was a Saddlemaker!
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 12.42

And, I was right.

I went backwards from the youngest child, and found the wedding 8)


Churchrecord:
Aker, MINI 19 (1842-1852)
Wedding page 638 no. 174

Date: December 26 1851

Bachelor and carpenter Johan Fredrik Mortensen 25 years, born in Ager and girl Anne Maria Halvorsdatter 30 1/4 years old. She was born in Haabel (Today: Håbøl) . They lived at Saugene (Sagene).

His father Morten Jensen, her father Halvor Gundersen.

Witnesses: And. Halvorsen and Br. Olsen

So there!
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 12.51

From what the wedding-record said, that Anne Marie was 30 years in 1851, and born in Haabel (Håbøl) _ Håbøl is in Østfold - not in Akershus.. I found this.

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Born: 17.8.1821
Chr.: 26.8.1821 Anne Marie
hmd. Halvor Gundersen og Marie Svikebølplads

http://www.hognes.net/hobel/d18201829.htm



In familysearch it is recorded like this:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... 4friendly=
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 13.03

And according to the marriage-record, the parents you have found for Johan Fredrik is right

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... rompage=99

Let me see if I find it in the originals, and also see if I find Maren Helenes christening in Aker.
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Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 13.11

All these children are Johan Fredriks siblings

30. Berthe Marie MORTENSDATTER - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 30 Jun 1834 Oslo, Akershus, Norway
31. Christiane MORTENSDATTER - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 04 Nov 1831 Oslo, Akershus, Norway
32. Hans Peter MORTENSEN - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 11 Jun 1829 Oslo, Akershus, Norway
33. Jens MARTINSEN - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 15 Nov 1819 Oslo, Akershus, Norway
34. Anne Lisabeth MORTENSDATTER - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 09 Jan 1822 Oslo, Akershus, Norway
35. Johan Frederik MORTENSEN - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: M Birth/Christening: 05 Nov 1826 Oslo, Akershus, Norway
36. Pauline MORTHENSDATTER - Vital Records Index / NO
Gender: F Birth/Christening: 21 Jul 1824 Oslo, Akershus, Norway


And, this is the original for Anne Marie Halvorsens christening:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-32
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Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 30. august 2006 kl. 13.31

I did not find any proof on Maren Helene beeing Anne Marie Halvorsens sister.

Aker MINI 16 (1827-1841)
Christening page 56 no 27
Born Nov 4th, chr. Dec 26th 1839

Parents Halvor Gundersen and his wife Berthe Maria Olsdatter from Enerhaugen.

Witnesses:
Jens Jacobsen, Anders Jacobsen, Anders Halvorsen, Marie Engelsdatter, Berthe Hansdatter.

This don't give any really proof, other than the name Maria in the mothers name.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 31. august 2006 kl. 6.48

Hi, Laila.

This is truly amazing! Thank you so much for your effort - I really appreciate your help.

I was interested to see that Maren was recorded as GUNDERSEN rather HALVORSDATTER in the marriage record.

Anne Maria's daughter, Marthe Matilde MORTENSEN (married surname, WILLING) was widowed and her son, Robert, was raised by Hans GUNDERSEN and his wife Tora/Thora. I'm thinking Hans might be related (maybe her nephew??).

Again, many thanks.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 31. august 2006 kl. 7.05

I have some info on Hans GUNDERSEN:

Parents: Berthold/Bertel GUNDERSEN and Marie HANSDATTER.

The family emigrated to NZ in 1872 per Høvding (same ship and voyage/date as Maren and Anne Marie).

I have them here:
http://www.norsewoodcemetery.co.nz/ship ... r-list.php
GUNDERSEN Berthol 35 Interior late Christiania Laborer
" Mari HANSEN 29
" Hans Gustav 7
" Hans 4 1/2
" Martimes (should be Martinius) 1 1/4

Birth and Chr. for Hans Gustav:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... rompage=99
Birth: 17 Jul 1865 Place: <Oslo, Akershus, Norway>
Christening: 24 Sep 1865 Place: Oslo, Akershus, Norway

Chr. for Martinius:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... rompage=99
11 JUN 1871 Domkirken, Oslo, Akershus, Norway

Hans GUNDERSEN's wife, Thora, was Thora KNUDSDATTER (Thora ANDERSEN in NZ), daughter of Knud ANDERSEN and Rangdi OLSDATTER.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 31. august 2006 kl. 8.46

Hi again!
Here you have the original from Østre Aker churchrecord. You will find Hans Gustav as no 107.

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-89

Parenst Arbeidsmand (worker) Bertel Gundersen and his wife Marie Hansdatter. (moved here from Ringsaker this summer)


Cant read what it says before "Rhodeløkken".

I dont find Bertel and his family in the 1865 census - have you found them?
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 31. august 2006 kl. 15.12

Hi, Laila.

Thanks for the additional information.

I've spent ages looking for Bertel, both as HALVORSEN (just in case) and GUNDERSEN, but haven't had any luck so far. I've tried some pretty obscure spelling options, too!
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 31. august 2006 kl. 15.43

A parent search at FamilySearch.org shows the following children for Halvor GUNDERSEN and Berte OLSDATTER:

GUTORM HALVORSEN (Anne Marie's youngest son was Axel Guttorm MORTENSEN)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... frompage=1
Christening:
28 JUL 1816 Hobol, Ostfold, Norway
Father: HALVOR GUNDERSEN
Mother: BERTHE MARIE OLSDR

Oline <HALVORSDATTER>
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... dly=Norway
Birth: 20 Oct 1827 Place: <Oslo, Akershus, Norway>
Christening: 02 Dec 1827 Place: Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Halvor GUNNERSEN
Mother: Berthe Marie OLSDR
Collection Details: Aker, Vestre Aker; Den Norske Kirke

Marie <HALVORSDATTER>
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... dly=Norway
Birth: 17 Oct 1831 Place: <Oslo, Akershus, Norway>
Christening: 26 Dec 1831 Place: Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Halvor GUNDERSEN
Mother: Berthe Marie OLSDR
Collection Details: Aker, Vestre Aker; Den Norske Kirke

Berthe Karine <HALVORSDATTER>
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... dly=Norway
Birth: 21 Oct 1833 Place: <Oslo, Akershus, Norway>
Christening: 26 Dec 1834 Place: Oslo, Akershus, Norway
Father: Halvor GUNDERSEN
Mother: Berthe Marie OLSDR
Collection Details: Aker, Vestre Aker; Den Norske Kirke

Then we have ANNE MARIE HALVORSEN (as above):
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... rompage=99
Christening: 26 AUG 1821 Hobol, Ostfold, Norway
Father: HALVOR GUNDERSEN
Mother: MARIE SVIKKEBOLL

Am I correct in thinking that Hobol is the place Haabel (Håbøl) you referred to, above? The rest are in Aker.

That would give:
Gutorm 1816 Hobol, Ostfold
Anne Marie 1821 Haabel (Håbøl), Østfold
Oline 1827 Vestre Aker
Marie 1831 Vestre Aker
Berthe Karine 1834 Vestre Aker
Maren Helene 1839 Aker (as above)
... and probably some others in between.

Is a pattern is emerging? - Haabel to Aker? It would have to be an extraordinary coincidence for this to be 2 different couples with the same names. Maria SVIKEBØLPLADS must be Berte Marie OLSDATTER SVIKEBØLPLADS. There's still no proof, though. :?

I tried a parent search for Halvor GUNDERSEN and Marie OLSDATTER:

OLE HALVORSEN
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... frompage=1
Christening: 12 DEC 1818 Kraakstad, Akershus, Norway
Father: HALVOR GUNDERSEN
Mother: MARIA OLSDR

And another in 1856 Hof, Hedmark, Norway (probably b. too late).
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 31. august 2006 kl. 16.05

I found 2 references to a marriage between Halvor GUNDERSEN and Berte OLSDATTER:

HALVOR GUNDERSEN
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... rompage=99
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... rompage=99
Spouse: BIRTHE MARIA OLSDR
Marriage: 17 OCT 1815 Holand, Akershus, Norway

Also tried marriage for Halvor GUNDERSEN and Marie OLSDATTER, but found nothing of significance.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 31. august 2006 kl. 21.35

I will take a closer look at what you have found in the weekend!
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 31. august 2006 kl. 23.46

Thanks, Laila. I appreciate your help.

Fredrik and Anne Marie's youngest son was Axel Guttorm. The parent search for Halvor GUNDERSEN and Berte OLSDATTER gave (among others) a child named Gutorm HALVORSEN.

Since there were only abt 66 people with names like Gutorm in the 1865 census, it also seems probable that this is more than coincidence.

I shall look forward to your response.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 1. september 2006 kl. 12.00

Pip - I got a friend to take a look at the couple in the Høland-churchrecord! And - must be yours!


Ungkar Halvor Gundersen ?? af Haabel Sogn 28 aar og pigen Birthe Maria Olsdtr ?? verk 22 aar
Viet i Løken kirke 17. oktober 1815.

Fedre er desverre ikke nevnt Sad

Forlovere: Knud Olsen Skulerud? og Christian Svendsen Tøyen?

Bachelor Halvor Gundersen ?? from Haabel Parish, 28 years, girl Birthe Maria Olsdatter ?? verk, 22 years. Married in Løken church October 17. 1815.

The ?? might be farm-names.

Fathers are not mentioned.

Witnesses Knud Olsen Skulerud? and Christian Svendsen Tøyen?
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 1. september 2006 kl. 23.56

Hi, Laila.

This is great - thank you very much.

I posted the info I had on Bertel/Berthold GUNDERSEN & family from the Høvding passenger list, but here's the info from the emigrants list:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/we ... 3&spraak=e
25233 Oslo 424A 1872 30 Bertel Gundersen m G Arb. 35 Kristiania New Zealand 1413 Norsk œ 28 Høvding
25234 Oslo 424B 1872 30 Marie f G 29 Kristiania New Zealand 1414 Norsk œ 28 Høvding
25235 Oslo 424C 1872 30 Hans m u 7 Kristiania New Zealand 1415 Norsk œ 28 Høvding
25236 Oslo 424D 1872 30 Hans m u 4 Kristiania New Zealand 1416 Norsk œ 28 Høvding
25237 Oslo 424E 1872 30 Martinius m u 1 Kristiania New Zealand 1417 Norsk œ 28 Høvding

I still haven't found them in the 1865 census.

Berthold was widowed soon after arriving in New Zealand, and raised his 3 children alone.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Vidar Sigurd Øverlie » 2. september 2006 kl. 7.15

Hi,

John Parson's "Norwegians in New Zealand" states that Bertel came from Sille Hamar which could be a misspelling of Lillehammer. So he was probably born in the Lillehammer area and later moved to Oslo.
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Legg inn av gj01576 » 11. september 2006 kl. 23.25

Thanks, Vidar.

I have tried to find him in the 1865 census, but am still unsuccessful. In fact, I haven't really been able to find any of the Halvorsens in the census except for my g-g-grandmother.

I'll have to wait and see what else turns up.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 17. september 2006 kl. 23.10

Hi, Laila et al,

Just to clarify: When you write "Aker MINI 16 (1827-1841)", as above, does the "MINI" part mean "Ministerialbok"?

Thanks.
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Legg inn av Laila Normann Christiansen » 18. september 2006 kl. 8.36

Yes, you have got that right Pip!

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Thanks, Laila.
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

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For the sake of completion, I have learned that Bertel GUNDERSEN is NOT related to Anne Marie HALVORSDATTER or Maren HALVORSDATTER/GUNDERSEN.

See:
http://www.norwayheritage.com/snitz/top ... IC_ID=3302
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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 20. desember 2012 kl. 5.26

I have been trying to find a christening record for Morten Valdemar FREDERIKSEN/MORTENSEN, son of Johan Frederik MORTENSEN (known as Frederik) & Anne Marie HALVORSDATTER.

Here are all their children (which may give some clues):

1) Marthe Mathilde
christened 16 May 1853, Den Norske Kirke, Gamle Aker (found)
living at Østre Saugene

2) Augusta Friderikka
christened 25 Feb 1855, Den Norske Kirke, Gamle Aker (found)
living at Østre Saugene

3) Karl Frithjof
christened 23 Aug 1857, Vestre Aker (found)
living at Vestre Saugene

4) Morten Valdemar
born Aker, Kristiania (NOT found)

5) Hans Peter
christened 21 Apr 1862, Gamle Aker (found)
living at Vestre Sagene

6) Axel Guttorm
christened 06 Aug 1865, Gamle Aker (found)
living at Vestre Sagene


There are 2 records on FamilySearch.org which I think may be Morten Valdemar, but I cannot find him in the church books:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NWQX-WFH
name: Morten Valdemar Fredriksen
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1860
baptism/christening place: Oslo, Oslo, Norway
birth date: 17 Dec 1859
father's name: Fredrik Mortensen
mother's name: Anne Marie Halvorsdatter

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NWJL-QXX
name: Marten Waldemar Frederiksen
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Mar 1860
baptism/christening place: Vestre Aker, Oslo, Oslo, Norway
birth date: 17 Dec 1859
father's name: Frederik Mortensen
mother's name: Anne Marie Halvorsdatter

Help with finding him would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Pip
Norsewood Cemetery & Settlers' Genealogies Project
http://www.norsewoodcemetery.co.nz
NEW ZEALAND

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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av Vidar Sigurd Øverlie » 20. desember 2012 kl. 9.26

Pip,

His christening record:

Kildeinformasjon: Oslo fylke, Vestre Aker, Klokkerbok nr. I 1 (1859-1871), Fødte og døpte 1860, side 25-26.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-14
No.73.

The family in the 1865 census: http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/ft ... 8027051936


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Vidar

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Re: Johan Fredrik MORTENSEN and Anne Marie HALVORSEN

Legg inn av gj01576 » 20. desember 2012 kl. 20.48

Thanks, Vidar.
Pip
Norsewood Cemetery & Settlers' Genealogies Project
http://www.norsewoodcemetery.co.nz
NEW ZEALAND

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