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Helen Jørstad, Sioux City, Iowa

Legg inn av Roar Dalen » 06 jul 2011 15:36:50

Flere av brødrene til en av mine oldemødre emigrerte til statene, og jeg leter etter en datter av en av dem.
Kristian Kristiansen Jørstad emigrerte fra Ytterøy, Levanger, til USA i 1906, 18 år gammel, og havnet i Sioux City, Iowa, hvor han livnærte seg som snekker.
Der ble han ca 1917 gift, så vidt jeg vet med Elida Overby. Muligens er dette samme Elida som emigrerte fra Bynesset, Trondheim i 1911, 19 år gammel. I oktober samme år fikk de første barn; sønnen Christian Elmore. 3 år senere fikk de neste sønn; Milford Fredric. Ca 1923 dør Elida, muligens i barsel da datteren Helen blir født. Her begynner problemet.
Da Elida dør klarer ikke Kristian å ta vare på barna, så de blir satt bort på et barnehjem i Sioux City (ukjent hvilket). De to guttene havner etter hvert hos en familie George og Mabel Radcliffe. Etter hva som "blir sagt" ble også Helen adoptert av samme familie på et senere tidspunkt, men jeg har ikke klart å finne dette i folketellingene.
Guttenes etterkommere har jeg kontroll på, men Helen er sporløst borte. Det blir nok en gang "sagt" at hun flyttet til Florida som voksen, men dette er "rykter" som jeg ikke tar for god fisk. Heller ikke Christian Elmores eller Milford Fredrics etterkommere har klart å finne henne; jeg vet de drev og lette for noen år siden.
Også Kristian Kristiansen Jørstads endelikt er ukjent for meg. Jeg vet han flyttet rundt en del, men ikke hvor han døde, eller når.
Er det noen med større kunnskaper om å lete i Amerika enn meg som kunne finne opplysninger om Helen, og kanskje det jeg mangler om hennes far?

Several of my g-grandmother's brothers emigrated to the states, and I'm looking for a daughter of one of them.
Kristian Kristiansen Jørstad emigrated from Ytterøy, Levanger, to USA in 1906, 18 years old, and ended up in Sioux City, Iowa, where he worked as a carpenter.
As far as I know he married abt. 1917 to Elida Overby. This might be the same Elida that emigrated in 1911 from Bynesset, Trondheim, 19 years old. Their first son, Christian Elmore, was born in oct. 1917. Three years later the second son Milford Fredric was born. Abt. 1923 Elida dies, possibly when giving birth to the daughter Helen. And here starts the problem.
When Elida died, Kristian was unable to care for his children, so they are placed in a orphanage in Sioux City (unknown which). From there the two boys are adopted by a family George and Mabel Radcliffe. It "is said" that Helen later was adopted by the same family, but I've not been able to verify this in the censuses.
I know about the descendants of the two boys, but Helen has left no trace. It is also "said" that she as an adult moved to Florida but this I see as a rumour. Descendants of the boys has also tried to find Helen, with no luck. And I know they tried a few years back.
Also Kristian Kristiansen Jørstads fate are unknown to me. I know he moved around a lot, but I don' know where he died, or when.
Is there anyone with more knowledge than me about how to search for info in America who could find anything regarding Helen, and maybe even the missing info about her father?

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Re: Helen Jørstad, Sioux City, Iowa

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 06 jul 2011 15:57:48

Hei Roar!
Birthdates would help in the search for Helen and her father. :wink:
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Re: Helen Jørstad, Sioux City, Iowa

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 06 jul 2011 16:53:25

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
Name: Christian Jorstad
City: Sioux City
County: Woodbury
State: Iowa
Birthplace: Norway
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1888
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1643354
DraftBoard: 2
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Re: Helen Jørstad, Sioux City, Iowa

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 06 jul 2011 16:54:00

It says 1922 and you said the mother died in 1923.

Helen Margret Jorstad
Iowa Births and Christenings, 1830-1950
birth: 3 Feb 1922 —Woodbury, Iowa
residence: Iowa, United States
parents: Chris Jorstad, Elida Overly
record title: Iowa Births and Christenings, 1830-1950
name: Helen Margret Jorstad
birthplace: Woodbury, Iowa
father's name: Chris Jorstad
mother's name: Elida Overly
indexing project (batch) number: I10054-8
system origin: Iowa-EASy
source film number: 1451576
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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 06 jul 2011 16:54:58

:?: :?:

Social Security Death Index
Name: Chris Christensen
SSN: 503-40-2450
Last Residence: 57201 Watertown, Codington, South Dakota, United States of America
Born: 20 Mar 1888
Died: Oct 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: South Dakota (1955)
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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 06 jul 2011 17:09:16

This one can be ruled out: She is Helen M. McReynolds, born in Wisconsin of Wisconsin born parents.

Social Security Death Index
Name: Helen M. Runde
SSN: 485-14-9307
Last Residence: 53811 Hazel Green, Grant, Wisconsin, United States of America
Born: 3 Feb 1922
Died: 13 Mar 2000
State (Year) SSN issued: Iowa (Before 1951)

:?: :?: :wink:
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Re: Helen Jørstad, Sioux City, Iowa

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 06 jul 2011 17:36:13

One that can be researched.

Social Security Death Index
Name: Helen M. Sederstrom
SSN: 534-50-2376
Last Residence: 99202 Spokane, Spokane, Washington, United States of America
Born: 3 Feb 1922
Died: May 1996
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (1965)
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Legg inn av Roar Dalen » 06 jul 2011 22:36:28

Thank you Thank you Margit - that was superb!

You allready solved one of the problems; when and where Kristian died. It has to be the right man, the birthday 20/3-1888 is correct.
Sorry about the birthdate of Helen, but I didn't have it. But it's the right girl you found born in 1922, no doubt about it. I wasn't sure about the year and made a qualified guess on 1923. Might it be possible to find out when Elida died, and if she really died in labour? (that was an assumption of mine too).
You might be on to something regarding Helen M. Sederstrom's death in 1996 too. I searched a phonebook on the web, and it is a few people called Sederstrom (a Swedish name actuelly) in Spokane. I think I let the descendants of Helens brothers make those phone calls.

What's left now is to find out more about Helen; who adopted her, where did she live, when was she married, and to whom, children etc?

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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 06 jul 2011 22:41:34

No, Sederstrom is not correct either, with her husband's obituary, I could find her in the 1922 census and she was in Pennsylvania born of Polish parents. Uffda — this Helen is hiding. One by one we have to eliminate Helen with that birthdate.

SEDERSTROM, Captain Leslie W.

U.S. Navy, Retired, M.D.

Leslie W. Sederstrom passed away March 7, 2006. Born
June 5, 1918 to Joseph and Elsie Sederstrom in
Litchfield, MN, he grew up with his brother, Don, and
sisters, June, Marion and Alta, on the family farm.
Leslie graduated from the University of Minnesota
before attending Hahnemann Medical College and
Hospital in Philadelphia, PA, then joined the U.S.
Navy. He was a veteran of both the Korean Conflict and
World War II. Leslie met his wife, Helen (Orlowski), a
Navy nurse, and their adventures began. They married
on June 5, 1948 in Dupont, PA and subsequently had
eight children while traveling with the military to
various locations around the world (including the
Marshall Islands, Bethesda, Maryland, Japan and
various venues in Southern California.) Leslie retired
from the U.S. Navy on July 1, 1964 and relocated his
family to Spokane, WA, where he opened a Pediatric
Clinic in Spokane Valley. After retiring from private
practice he worked at Interlake School for Children as
a Physician for 10 years. His final retirement was
from Interlake in 1986. Leslie was preceded in death
by his wife of 49 years, Helen, who passed away on May
9, 1996. He is survived by his four sons: Joseph (Eva)
of Monument, Colorado, Paul, Jon (Sue), Eric (Liz),
all of Spokane; his four daughters: Sallie Hamilton
(Marc), Julie French (Kevin) of Spokane, Mary Smith
(Grant) of Rossland, B.C. and Marcie Sederstrom of
Seattle. He also leaves 16 loving grandchildren, six
great-grandchildren, three sisters and one brother.
The family would like to express their heartfelt
appreciation for the loving care given by all the
staff at The Waterford in Les' final days. A Funeral
Service will be held Saturday, March 11, at 1200 noon
at the funeral home.Interment will follow at Fairmount
Memorial Park, 5200 W. Wellesley with full military
honors. The family requests consideration of Memorial
Gifts to The Spokane Guild's School, 2118 W. Garland,
Spokane, WA 99205; or Hospice of Spokane, PO Box 2215,
Spokane WA 99210-2215; or Litchfield Lutheran Church
Organ Fund, Litchfield, MN. Arrangements have been
entrusted to

March 9, 2006
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Re: Helen Jørstad, Sioux City, Iowa

Legg inn av Roar Dalen » 06 jul 2011 23:25:22

Ok - Sederstrom is out of the picture then.

I just found a web page containing a list of orphanages in Iowa. In Sioux City, Woodbury County there's one. And in the text is mentioned a census in 1923. That census is not published by LDS, so I can't access it (I don't have an Ancestry account). Maybe Helen is listed in this Census, at the orphanage where she lived (if she is not allready been adopted).

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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 07 jul 2011 01:06:33

Iowa has a 1925 state census which is quite detailed. I am checking that now.
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Iowa State Census Collection, 1836-1925
Name: Christian Elner Jorstad
Birth Year: abt 1916
Birth Place: Sioux City IA
Gender: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Single
Census Date: 1 Jan 1925
Residence state: Iowa
Residence County: Woodbury
Locality: Sioux City
Relation to Head: Son
Mother: Elida Ormsby
[Anna Marie Bryne]
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Father: Chris Jorstad
[J S Bryne]
Father's Birth Year: abt 1885
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Marriage Place: Sioux City, Iowa
Roll: IA1925_2004
Line: 20
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Household Members:
Name Age
J S Bryne 42
Anna Marie Bryne 40
Christian Elner Jorstad 9
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:?: :?:

Cook County, Illinois Marriage Index, 1930-1960
Name: Chris Jorstad
Marriage Date: 9 Jul 1942
Spouse: Mary Stiwora
Marriage Location: Cook County, IL
Marriage license: {501D8163-BD87-4C8A-B758-CBABDB7A318C}
File Number: 1738088
Archive collection name: Cook County Genealogy Records (Marriages)
Archive repository location: Chicago, IL
Archive repository name: Cook County Clerk
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:?: :?:

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Chris Jorstad
[Chris Jarstad]
Age in 1910: 23
Estimated Birth Year: 1887
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Lina Jorstad
Home in 1910: Sioux Ward 3, Woodbury, Iowa
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1906
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Household Members:
Name Age
Chris Jorstad 23
Lina Jorstad 20
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:?: :?:

Name: Margit A. Jorstad
Gender:
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date:
Birthplace: Sioux City, Woodbury, Iowa
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Christ Jorstad
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Lina Vagen
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I10141-8
System Origin: Iowa-EASy
Source Film Number: 1451575
Reference Number: p 137
Collection: Iowa Births and Christenings, 1830-1950
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Milford Jorstad
South Dakota State Census, 1925
birth: 1921 —Iowa
residence: South Dakota, United States
record title: South Dakota State Census, 1925
name: Milford Jorstad
age: 4
estimated birth year: 1921
gender: Male
race: White
birthplace: Iowa
ancestry: Norwegian
marital status: Single
residence: South Dakota, United States
naturalized: No
religion: Lutheran
father's birthplace: Norway
mother's birthplace: Norway
digital folder number: 4246343
sheet number: 211
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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 07 jul 2011 01:58:17

This could be one to check, note the spelling of Margret:

1930 United States Federal Census about Margret Radcliffe
Name: Margret Radcliffe
Home in 1930: Marcus, Cherokee, Iowa
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Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1923
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Max C Radcliffe
Mother's name: Mary E Radcliffe
Race: White
Occupation:
Education:
Military Service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace:
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Household Members:
Name Age
Max C Radcliffe 33
Mary E Radcliffe 31
James Radcliffe 9
Margret Radcliffe 7
Louise Radcliffe 6
Mary Radcliffe 2 6/12


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Re: Helen Jørstad, Sioux City, Iowa

Legg inn av Roar Dalen » 07 jul 2011 22:41:15

Thak you again for helping me out here!
I see you've found Christian Elmore with the Bryne family in 1925. I think he stayed with them just for a short while; in C1930 both the boys (but not Helen) are living with the Radcliffes.
Abt. the marriage in 1942, IL; it's hard to say if this is "my" Christian, there's no birthyear mentioned. And Jørstad is a quiet ordinary surname in Norway, and a lot of people named Jørstad emigrated. But he did move around a lot, so it's possible.
Chris Jorstad in the C1910 has to right man; age, emigration year and occupation is correct. That means that Elida was his second wife.
Margret Radcliffe - no you boosts hope again Margit ;-) Age is about correct. As is the surname. It just might be that those who told me that Helen was adopted by the same people as her brothers was half-right; Max and Mary R. might be relatives of George and Mabel. Intriguing.

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