Helmer Kristensen, f. 1851 i Agdenes/ST, bodde i Wisconsin?

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Helmer Kristensen, f. 1851 i Agdenes/ST, bodde i Wisconsin?

Legg inn av dn17613 » 13 aug 2008 18:46:08

Leter etter Helmer Kristensen f. 11.12.1851 på Fremstad i Agdenes, ST. Sønn av Kristen/Kresten Andersen Grindhaugen og Martha Olsd. Fjorden.

Han befant seg i Agdenes under FT1865, har ikke funnet ham siden.

Dette er det jeg vet: Han var til sjøs, og ble tilslutt gift og bosatt i Amerika. Han skal ha giftet seg med en Gjertrud fra Averøy.

Har prøvd på Ellis Island (fant ingen) og Emigranter fra Trondheim. Der fant jeg et akuelt par. Kanskje noen kan slå opp på disse i Ft1890 / 1900 og se om det står noe som kan hjelpe meg å avgjøre om det er riktige mennesker?

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... 81364#ovre

Watten (Vatn) er en nabogård til Fremstad, så det er ikke usannsynlig at han kan ha bodd der før han emigrerte. Eller har flere andre av slekten endt opp hetende Reitan, men det er vel først neste generasjon...

Etter å ha lett litt på Ancestry (uten abonnement), finner jeg et par i Bayfield, Wisconsin, Hilmar C. og Gertrud Watten som virker lovende...(FT1900).

Det skal også være en Christian H Watten i Bayfield (sønnen?). Han bor vel i Eau Claire i 1910, da gift med en Alma L.

Og en i 1920 i Eau Claire, Wisconsin, Helmer C Waton (da gift med Enca M. men samme fødselsår...)

Spørsmålet er om det står noe om fødested på noen av disse...

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Re: Helmer Kristensen, f. 1851 i Agdenes/ST, bodde i Wiscons

Legg inn av dn17613 » 13 aug 2008 19:55:58

Og om jeg følger fødselsåret til damen her, så er det denne kandidaten som er ugift og i rett alder i FT1865 (+- 2 år)

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =2440#ovre

Gjertrud Engelsdtr. på Hoset.

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Re: Helmer Kristensen, f. 1851 i Agdenes/ST, bodde i Wiscons

Legg inn av dn17613 » 13 aug 2008 20:00:35

Og når jeg vet at Watten er en mulighet så finner jeg de tidligere nevnte emmigrantene i Ellis Island. Men igjen, er det riktig familie...?

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Re: Helmer Kristensen, f. 1851 i Agdenes/ST, bodde i Wiscons

Legg inn av gj06100 » 13 aug 2008 22:36:49

Hei Andre!
I also found the Helmer C. Watten married to Gertie living in Eau Claire WI in the 1910 census. He immigrated 1883 from Norway. I don't think you found this...did you?
I just had a quick look.
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Re: Helmer Kristensen, f. 1851 i Agdenes/ST, bodde i Wiscons

Legg inn av gj06100 » 13 aug 2008 22:37:42

...and this Helmer is age 59 in 1910.
mvh Patty

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1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Hilmar C Watten
Home in 1900: Drummond, Bayfield, Wisconsin
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Spouse's Name: Gertrud
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1884
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Hilmar C Watten 50
Gertrud Watten 52
Christian H Watten 17


Wisconsin State Censuses, 1895 and 1905
Name: Gertie Watten
Census Date: 1 Jun 1905
Residence County: Eau Claire
Residence State: Wisconsin
Locality: Drammen
Marital Status: Married
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Race: White
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Hilmar
Line: 22
Roll: CSUSAWI1905_9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Hilmar Watten 55
Gertie Watten 58
Alma Watten 24


1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Alma L Watten
Age in 1910: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Iowa
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Wisconsin
Spouse's Name: Cristian H
Home in 1910: Drammon, Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Cristian H Watten 27
Alma L Watten 27
Richard E Watten 4
Harold G Watten 2


1920 United States Federal Census
about Helmer C Waton
Name: Helmer C Waton
[Hilmer C Watson]
Home in 1920: Drammen, Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Age: 70 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
[abt 1849]
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Enca M
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1886
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 1106
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Helmer C Waton 70
Enca M Waton 58


1920 United States Federal Census
about Herman Waton
Name: Herman Waton
Home in 1920: Drammen, Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Age: 36 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Alma L
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1884
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 1111
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Herman Waton 36
Alma L Waton 37
Richard L Waton 14
Herald S Waton 11
H Wadell Waton 3 0/12
Millard A Waton 1 7/12


1930 United States Federal Census
about Herman C Watton
Name: Herman C Watton
Home in 1930: Drammen, Eau Claire, Wisconsin
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Alma L
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Herman C Watton 46
Alma L Watton 47
Esther M Watton 20
Woodell H Watton 13
Archibald M Watton 11

SURNAME GIVEN NAME DEATH DATE AGE DEATH LOCATION BIRTH LOCATION
WATTEN Alma 06 Dec 1942 62 Drammen Drammen Herman Watten 228
WATTEN Delos Jerome 20 Aug 1923 Infant Drammen Drammen 133
WATTEN Eugene Herman 22 Mar 1921 Infant Drammen Drammen 124
WATTEN Gertrud 15 Aug 1915 67 Drammen Norway 98
WATTEN Helmer 10 Apr 1925 75 Drammen Norway 144

SURNAME CHILD'S NAME BIRTHDATE FATHER MOTHER MAIDEN NAME RECORD #
WATTEN Harald Garfield 08 Apr 1908 Herman Alma 316

More Death Records
# WATTEN, Alma, died on 06 Dec 1942, at age 62, died at Drammen, born in Drammen, spouse's name - Herman - SOURCE - Drammen Lutheran Death Register, record # 228
# WATTEN, Delos Jemme, died on 20 Aug 1923, infant, died at Drammen, born at Drammen - SOURCE - Drammen Lutheran Death Register, record # 133
# WATTEN, Eugene Herman, died on 22 Mar 1921, infant, died at Drammen, born at Drammen - SOURCE - Drammen Lutheran Death Register, record # 124
# WATTEN, Gertrud, died on 15 Aug 1915, at age 67, died at Drammen, born in Norway - SOURCE - Drammen Lutheran Death Register, record # 98
# WATTEN, Helmer, died on 10 Apr 1925, at age 75, died at Drammen, born in Norway - SOURCE - Drammen Lutheran Death Register, record # 144
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Re: Helmer Kristensen, f. 1851 i Agdenes/ST, bodde i Wiscons

Legg inn av dn17613 » 14 aug 2008 08:28:45

Thanks a lot!

This doesn't confirm that it is the Helmer I am looking for, but now I know that they immigrated i 83-84, and that their son Kristian Herman was born in Norway I can concentrate my search around these years...

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Legg inn av dn19075 » 14 aug 2008 10:56:43

I 1900 står det at Hilmar er født dec 1849, og Gertrude født apr 1848. Sønnen Christian født apr 1883 i Norge. Hilmar og Gertrude gift i 24 år. Alle imm 1884.

- hanne line -

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Legg inn av dn17613 » 14 aug 2008 11:06:23

Min Helmer er født. desember 1851, så da tyder det på at det desverre er feil person om det stemmer med dec. 1849 som fødselsdato...

etter som jeg ikke finner immigrasjonen på Castle Garden heller, så vet jeg ikke hvor jeg skal lete, men finner ikke noe emmigrasjon fra Trondheim hvertfall. Men da kan jeg kanskje sjekke resten av landet, om ingen finner noe nærmere fødested / navn på foreldre.

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Legg inn av gj06100 » 14 aug 2008 15:17:12

Hei igjen!
Is it possible the wrong year of birth is recorded on the 1900 census for Helmer?
I do think it is quite noteworthy that Helmer's wife is "Gertie" and you know of his wife as Gjertrud?? Seems like such a "good fit" to me...
mvh Patty

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Legg inn av dn17613 » 14 aug 2008 15:35:03

Yes, and that is why I am keen on fining their emmigration/immigration, so that I can find a clue to their orgin in Norway... I am still hoping.

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Legg inn av gj06100 » 14 aug 2008 15:40:28

I took a look at the Eau Claire 1910 census again...it was taken in April of 1910...and in that census Helmer's age is 59...which would seem to indicate his year of birth is 1851..(I hope I did my math correct!!!).
So YES, I agree that finding the immigration from Norway would be helpful.
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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 14 aug 2008 15:42:11

Hei Andre!
I will try to help you verify your people later today if possible. Is there anything else you know about them?
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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 14 aug 2008 15:50:00

From Kristiansund

No. Year Date of departure Given name Last name Sex Age Year of birth Position Occupation Circuit Bailiff district Destination Ticket Cause New occup. Line Remarks
1285 6 1885 Feb. 26 Gertrud Watten K 1848 1848 G Kone Kristiansund Nordmøre Wisconsin Ja Inmanline Fam.t.1885007
1286 7 1885 Feb. 26 Christian Herman Watten M 1884 1884 U Barn Kristiansund Nordmøre Wisconsin Ja Inmanline Fam.t.1885006
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Legg inn av dn17613 » 14 aug 2008 22:23:48

I have now looked for the christening of christian Herman both in Kristiansund and Aukra i 1884, with no result. And it occured to me that since my Helmer was a sailer, he wouldn't be listed as an emmigrant from Norway. I am pretty shure that these people ar the right people, but I just need to find the proof...

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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 15 aug 2008 02:02:54

Source information: Møre og Romsdal county, Kristiansund in Kristiansund, Parish register (official) nr. 572A13 (1880-1888), Birth and baptism records 1883, page 66.
Permanent pagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-69
Permanent imagelink: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 620070.jpg

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Born April 17, 1883
Baptised June 10, 1883

I think 110% that this is your correct family. You should find an obituary and death certificate to verify.
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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 15 aug 2008 15:13:37

Hei André!

I highly suspect that this is your Gertrude and H.C. or C.H.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Gertrude Wallew
Arrival Date: 14 Mar 1885
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: New York
Place of Origin: Norway
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Norwegian
Ship Name: City of Berlin
Search Ship Database: View the City of Berlin in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 19
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_483
List Number: 273
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: E A Wallew
Arrival Date: 14 Mar 1885
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Age: Infant
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: Illinois
Place of Origin: Norway
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Norwegian
Ship Name: City of Berlin
Search Ship Database: View the City of Berlin in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 20
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_483
List Number: 273
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States

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Legg inn av dn17613 » 18 aug 2008 21:06:43

Thanks again Margit, I don't think I would have found these misspellings myself.

And i think that you are right about the Obituary being the right approach here, I will have to figure out where to do that!

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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 18 aug 2008 21:20:27

:D Find all those who died at Drammen, send a list of them to here:

SURNAME GIVEN NAME DEATH DATE AGE DEATH LOCATION BIRTH LOCATION
WATTEN Alma 06 Dec 1942 62 Drammen Drammen Herman Watten 228
WATTEN Delos Jerome 20 Aug 1923 Infant Drammen Drammen 133
WATTEN Eugene Herman 22 Mar 1921 Infant Drammen Drammen 124
WATTEN Gertrud 15 Aug 1915 67 Drammen Norway 98
WATTEN Helmer 10 Apr 1925 75 Drammen Norway 144


admin@co.eau-claire.wi.us

Explain that you live in Norway and perhaps they will send you information about what is found on their death certificates and you may ask if it would be possible to find an obituary about them or if they would know where you could find one.

Good Luck.
Be sure to tell them all you know with dates.

In the subject line put: Help needed in Norway Please
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Legg inn av dn17613 » 20 aug 2008 08:54:22

The mail is now sent, I am now awating eagerly!

(although I suspect it might take a couple of days...)

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Legg inn av dn17613 » 03 sep 2008 07:53:56

Does anybody know how long one must wait before an answer can be expected?

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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 03 sep 2008 16:45:29

Hei André!

This should help prove 120%! :shock:

Social Security Death Index
Name: Herman Watton
SSN: 390-52-4784
Last Residence: 54701 Eau Claire, Eau Claire, Wisconsin, United States of America
Born: 17 Apr 1883
Died: Nov 1977
State (Year) SSN issued: Wisconsin (1965 )

Sometimes they never answer!

I think this man below is great grandson to Herman and Gjertrud. I am checking more about this. I find Richard and Esther in the 1930 census in Iowa with a child named Eugene. I will let you know if I hear from the people I wrote to.

Robert Watton


Robert Steven Watton, age 60, of Butternut and formerly of Winter and Eau Claire died Friday, Feb. 18, 2005, at Flambeau Hospital in Park Falls.

He was born on March 16, 1944, in Eau Claire, the son of (son of Herman Christian I think) Richard and Esther (Fredrickson) Watton. His early life and schooling were in Eau Claire, where he graduated from high school. On Nov. 12, 1993, he married Jane Parker in Waukegan, Ill. Robert was a veteran of the United States Navy and served during the Vietnam War and as a machinist in the Navy until his retirement. After he retired from the military, he worked part time for the IGA store in Winter.

He is survived by his wife, Jane of Winter; his son, Robert Thomas Watton of Winter; one sister, Ramona Doran of Mission, Texas; two brothers, Walter (Judy) Watton of Yreka, Calif., and Ronald (Lynnel) Watton of Circle Pines, Minn.; many nieces, nephews and cousins; a great-nephew; other relatives and friends.

He was preceded in death by his parents; and three brothers, Eugene and Donald Watton and Jerry Gunderson.

Burial with military honors will take place on Thursday, Feb. 24, 2005, at 2 p.m. at the Northern Wisconsin Veterans Memorial Cemetery in Spooner, Wis.

The Novitzke Funeral Home in Park Falls is handling arrangements.

Memorials to the Johnny Angel Fund, P.O. Box 424, Park Falls, Wis., 54552, would be greatly appreciated.
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