t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

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t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj04986 » 05 jun 2008 13:07:22

Han skal være født ca. 1898 i Fredrikstad men dro til Amerika, et sted de kalte noe liknende "Ørkenens ur" e.l. Det skulle være et sted som nordmenn emigrerte til, mye fattigdom og en del ble sendt tilbake. Han skal ha dratt dit omkring 1820 pluss/minus men ble sendt hjem etter kort tid Han giftet seg senere i Fredrikstad med Marie. Har bare fått disse opplysnigene fra andre så jeg bare spør. Er det noe sted som bar navnet "Ørkenens ur" og er det noen som vet noe om dette??
Solbjørg.

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 05 jun 2008 15:26:15

Hei Solbjørg,
Let me know if it is something I can help with here in America.
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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj04986 » 05 jun 2008 16:03:21

Hei Margit.
I'm looking for a man named Thorleif Johannesen borned in Fredrikstad Norway ca. in 1898. I've been told that he emigrated to a place in Amerika named "Ørkenens ur" or something. Many Norwegians comes to this place .It was the most young people who went there to find the happiness . I'm just been told this story so I don't know anything about it. I just try to ask if someone else have heard about it. Thorleif has told this story himself to one of his neighbours. He amigrated about 1920-1925 I think.

Solbjørg

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj06100 » 05 jun 2008 22:24:25

Hei!
I am just wondering about his destination...could that be the state of Arkansas??
I don't know if many Norwegians headed there...
mvh Patty

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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 05 jun 2008 22:37:27

Hi Solbjørg,
I see Patty brought up Arkansas, I also wonder about these below:

City State County
Arkana LA Bossier
Arkana AR Baxter
Arkansas AR Arkansas
Arkansas KY Floyd
Arkansas WV Hardy
ArkansasCity KS Cowley
ArkansasCity TX Starr
ArkansasCity AR Desha
ArkansasJunction NM Lea
ArkansasPost AR Arkansas
Arkansaw WI Pepin
Arkawana AR Baxter
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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj04986 » 05 jun 2008 22:48:38

Hei.
I'm not sure about his destination but in the information I got there is a name like "Kolatan.....". or something like that. There is not much information about his emigration you know.
Solbjørg

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj06100 » 05 jun 2008 23:54:38

Solbjørg, you say that many Norwegians went to the same town...do you have any other names we could search for. Perhaps if we can find one, we will find "your man"!

The town of Arkansaw, Pepin Co WI which Margit found is an interesting possibility...so many Norwegians came to this part of the USA...
mvh Patty

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Legg inn av gj04986 » 06 jun 2008 00:09:14

Here and now I have no other names, but I will try again tomorrow. Maybe I can get more information about his destination too. Thank you for helping me.
Solbjørg

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av Tom Kaasen » 06 jun 2008 12:02:36

I think the "name" "Ørkenens ur" is a misunderstanding for "ørkenen sur". "Ørkenen sur" is a nickname for the shantytown-like parts of Brooklyn NY. Many norwegian emigrants ended in "Ørkenen Sur"

Read this article: http://aftenbladet.no/lokalt/article597987.ece

mvh
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Legg inn av gj04986 » 06 jun 2008 12:35:11

Hei Tom.
Selvfølgelig er dette riktig navn. Jeg fikk det over telefonen og noterte ned slik jeg hørte det der og da. Det var en interessant artikkel. Finnes det noen lister e.l. noe sted hvor jeg kan lete.
Mvh Solbjørg

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Legg inn av gj04986 » 06 jun 2008 23:52:44

Hei Patty.
I've tried to find other people who went to this place but I don't find anyone. If this place is in Brooklyn New York , do you think it's possible for me to find something???
Mvh Solbjørg

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj06100 » 07 jun 2008 02:11:27

Hei Solbjørg!
I will say it is a bit difficult to search in an area like Brooklyn (kings county) without knowing the exact name he used...so many possibilities for name variations. I did look around a bit, for Thorleif Johnson...no luck.
I wish I had some better ideas for you...sorry.
mvh Patty

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Legg inn av gj04986 » 07 jun 2008 14:31:01

Hi again Patty!!

Yes it's very pity, but I can't find any other names than T(h)orleif Johanesen. Maybe he used "Jonson" in America, but I'm not sure about that. I'll try again because I would be so glad if I could find him. Some times in the churchbooks here in Norway they either used Thorleif or Torleif and Johannessen or Johanesen. Therefor it is difficult sometimes.

Greetings Solbjørg

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj04986 » 10 jun 2008 10:17:04

Hei.
Ørkenen Sur was a rubbishdump, and it was in a place named Red Hook in Brooklyn NY.
I've never heard any other names than T(h)orleif Johanesen from Fredrikstad who went to
this place.
Solbjørg

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 10 jun 2008 14:03:07

Solbjørg,

Have you found his emigration date in the records online from Norway and where he left from?
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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj04986 » 10 jun 2008 18:28:42

Hei Margit.
No I have not find his emigration. He was a sailor so maybe he is in another list.
I can't find him in the list of emigration from Norway, either from Christiania 1871-1930 or Oslo 1867-1930.
Solbjørg.

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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj04986 » 10 jun 2008 18:56:46

There was three more men who went at the same time as Torleif Johanesen. Their names are Adler Olsen f. ca. 1888, Hans Olsen f. ca. 1880 og William Kristensen f. ca. 1891. I have been told that this 3 men dided in Ørkenen Sur.

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Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 10 jun 2008 19:08:03

See attachment for Adler's immigration information. I see nor do I find anything about Thorlief/Torlief with the information you have given. :-))

Best to give all information you know when you ask for help. :-)

Adler first came to America from Fredrikstad in 1905 with his parents and siblings.


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Adler Olsen
Arrival Date: 10 Jul 1905
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Christiania
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Scandinavian
Ship Name: Oscar II

1930 Census of Merchant Seamen
Name: Adler Olsen
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Norway
Race: White
Port in 1930: Freeport, Brazoria, Texas
Page: 34A
Ship Name: Freeport Sulphur No 5
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Re: t(h)orleif Johan(n)esen.

Legg inn av gj04986 » 10 jun 2008 20:38:15

Thank you. Yes I know, but I got this information just 2 hours ago. Whats the names of his parents?
Can you see that? And what about Torleif?
Solbjørg

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