Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
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Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Jeg leter etter tre søsken fra Stangvik, som utvandret til USA. Disse er:
Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik (eller Tokle), født 1837, utvandret til Dakota 20.9.1882 via Kristiansund.
Kristina Ingeborg-Anna Knutsdatter Stangvik (eller Tokle), født 1843, utvandret til Dakota 20.9.1882 via Kristiansund.
Jakob Kristian Knutsen Stangvik (eller Tokle), født 1850, utvandra etter 1874, finnes ikke i emmigrantprotokollene, med mindre den Kristian Tokle, 14 år, som reiser samtidig med Synnøve og Kristina, er Jakob Kristian. I så fall er alderen i emigrasjonslistene feil.
Disse tre er søsken til min oldemor, og jeg skulle gjerne funnet ut hvor det ble av dem.
Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik (eller Tokle), født 1837, utvandret til Dakota 20.9.1882 via Kristiansund.
Kristina Ingeborg-Anna Knutsdatter Stangvik (eller Tokle), født 1843, utvandret til Dakota 20.9.1882 via Kristiansund.
Jakob Kristian Knutsen Stangvik (eller Tokle), født 1850, utvandra etter 1874, finnes ikke i emmigrantprotokollene, med mindre den Kristian Tokle, 14 år, som reiser samtidig med Synnøve og Kristina, er Jakob Kristian. I så fall er alderen i emigrasjonslistene feil.
Disse tre er søsken til min oldemor, og jeg skulle gjerne funnet ut hvor det ble av dem.
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
I have found some new information about these people, but I still need help to go on. I also repeat some information from the first request in English:
I am looking for two sisters and one brother from Stangvik, Norway. They emigrated to Dakota Territory. They are:
Synnøve Knutsdatter Tochle, born 1837, emigrated to Dakota 20 Sep 1882 from Kristiansund. She went with her son, Christian Olsen Tochle, born 18 Dec 1867. In 1885 Synnøve and Christian are staying in Griggs County, she is a housekeeper, age 42 (not correct, but it must be the same person)
Christina Ingeborg-Anna Knutsdatter Tochle, born 1843, emigrated to Dakota 20 Sep 1882 from Kristiansund.
Jacob Kristian Knutsen Tochle, born født 1850, emigrated after 1874, not found in the emmigration protocols. Jacob is found in the 1885-census in Traill County, where he is farm laborer. Age is not correct, but I do think this must also be the correct person. It could be that the person called Annie Tochle, servent in Coppertown, Briggs County, in 1885, is Christina Ingeborg-Anna. It is more likely, however, that Annie is Jacobs wife.
In the land register for North Dakota, we find Jacob taking land in Briggs County in 1886. In 1887 Sine and Trine Tochle both takes adjacent sections, and in 1896 Annie Tochle takes the last 160 acres in the same sector. I would guess that this is a family trying to build up a farm together, and that Sine and Trine are the daugters of Jacob and Annie, but I have no proof.
I hope that someone can look up this for me in the actual census'es, and maybe find out something about possible descendants. I would also like to find out what happened to Christina Ingeborg-Anna, and also to Synnøve and her son Christian.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
I am looking for two sisters and one brother from Stangvik, Norway. They emigrated to Dakota Territory. They are:
Synnøve Knutsdatter Tochle, born 1837, emigrated to Dakota 20 Sep 1882 from Kristiansund. She went with her son, Christian Olsen Tochle, born 18 Dec 1867. In 1885 Synnøve and Christian are staying in Griggs County, she is a housekeeper, age 42 (not correct, but it must be the same person)
Christina Ingeborg-Anna Knutsdatter Tochle, born 1843, emigrated to Dakota 20 Sep 1882 from Kristiansund.
Jacob Kristian Knutsen Tochle, born født 1850, emigrated after 1874, not found in the emmigration protocols. Jacob is found in the 1885-census in Traill County, where he is farm laborer. Age is not correct, but I do think this must also be the correct person. It could be that the person called Annie Tochle, servent in Coppertown, Briggs County, in 1885, is Christina Ingeborg-Anna. It is more likely, however, that Annie is Jacobs wife.
In the land register for North Dakota, we find Jacob taking land in Briggs County in 1886. In 1887 Sine and Trine Tochle both takes adjacent sections, and in 1896 Annie Tochle takes the last 160 acres in the same sector. I would guess that this is a family trying to build up a farm together, and that Sine and Trine are the daugters of Jacob and Annie, but I have no proof.
I hope that someone can look up this for me in the actual census'es, and maybe find out something about possible descendants. I would also like to find out what happened to Christina Ingeborg-Anna, and also to Synnøve and her son Christian.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Heisan...
Her har du litt info om de du ser etter.
1900 United States Federal Census
about Jacob Tackle
Name: Jacob Tackle
Home in 1900: Lenora, Griggs, North Dakota
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to head-of-house: Brother-in-law
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben Belden 42
Thrine Belden 48
Mabel C Belden 15
Annie Tackle 47
Jacob Tackle 43
Chester Meyer 15
Frank C Shaner 22
Ard s Mitstokke 26
Fredrick Nilson 35
Som du ser har Thrine giftet seg med Ruben Belden som er født i Canada English, de har datteren Mabel som i 1900 er 15 år, født ca.1885.
Det står at Annie er svigerinnen til Thrine.
1920 United States Federal Census
about Orma Tockle
Name: Orma Tockle
[Anna Lockle]
Home in 1920: Ora, Nelson, North Dakota
Age: 70 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Sister-in-law
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1882
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 857
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben H Belden 65
Trina Belden 66
Orma Tockle 70
Her har vi en av dem som kaller seg Orma, og et annet mulig navn er Anna.Hun går også under svigerinnen til Trina.
Dette ser ut til å være samme familien.
Det kan hende jeg finner mere til deg, men sender dette nå så du kan se på det og finne ut om dette sier deg noe.
Her har du litt info om de du ser etter.
1900 United States Federal Census
about Jacob Tackle
Name: Jacob Tackle
Home in 1900: Lenora, Griggs, North Dakota
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Norway
Relationship to head-of-house: Brother-in-law
Race: White
Occupation: View Image
Immigration Year: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben Belden 42
Thrine Belden 48
Mabel C Belden 15
Annie Tackle 47
Jacob Tackle 43
Chester Meyer 15
Frank C Shaner 22
Ard s Mitstokke 26
Fredrick Nilson 35
Som du ser har Thrine giftet seg med Ruben Belden som er født i Canada English, de har datteren Mabel som i 1900 er 15 år, født ca.1885.
Det står at Annie er svigerinnen til Thrine.
1920 United States Federal Census
about Orma Tockle
Name: Orma Tockle
[Anna Lockle]
Home in 1920: Ora, Nelson, North Dakota
Age: 70 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Sister-in-law
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Year of Immigration: 1882
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 857
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben H Belden 65
Trina Belden 66
Orma Tockle 70
Her har vi en av dem som kaller seg Orma, og et annet mulig navn er Anna.Hun går også under svigerinnen til Trina.
Dette ser ut til å være samme familien.
Det kan hende jeg finner mere til deg, men sender dette nå så du kan se på det og finne ut om dette sier deg noe.
Ha fortsatt en god dag.....Mette på Hadeland
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Hei Mette, tusen takk for opplysningene.
Det ser ut til at jeg har tatt feil når jeg antok at Trine og Sine var døtre til Jacob, siden Trine kalles Tockle burde hun være Jacobs søster, når Jacob benevnes som svoger til Ruben Belden. Og Sine finner vi ikke i det du har fremskaffet så langt. Og jeg ser jo nå (burde sett det sist også) at begge er alt for gamle til å være Jacobs barn.
Men selv om alder fortsatt er varierende og ikke helt korrekt i forhold til kirkebøker, så er jeg ganske så overbevist om at dette er rette folket. Tokle er ikke akkurat noe vanlig navn, og ihvertfall er det neppe mange Tokle som dro til akkurat Dakota tidlig i 1880-årene. Jeg begynner så smått å tro på følgende hypotese:
Jacob er som tidligere antydet Jacob Knudsen Tokle, f. 1850. Han ser ut til å være gift med Annie, som er på omtrent samme alder (4 år eldre??). Står det om Annie er født i Norge?
Orma tror jeg skal være Anna, eller Kristina Ingeborg-Anna, f. 1843. Det kan neppe være andre siden hun er svigerinne av Ruben Belden.
Sine kan være en amerikansk form av Synnøve, som er siste søster som er nevnt før. Hun hadde som tidligere nevnt med seg en sønn, Kristian, f. 1867.
Da gjenstår Trine. Dette må være en 3. søster jeg ikke har nevnt før, hun het Petrine, var født 1846, og gikk lærerskole i Oslo. I de kilder jeg har står det at hun døde ugift, men jeg har ikke funnet henne i norske folketellinger. Det kan derfor være godt mulig at hun er dratt til USA til de andre søskenene, og ble gift der.
Håper du kan grave frem noe mer som kan bekrefte/avkrefte mine antagelser. Det hadde vært flott!
Beste hilsen Erling
Det ser ut til at jeg har tatt feil når jeg antok at Trine og Sine var døtre til Jacob, siden Trine kalles Tockle burde hun være Jacobs søster, når Jacob benevnes som svoger til Ruben Belden. Og Sine finner vi ikke i det du har fremskaffet så langt. Og jeg ser jo nå (burde sett det sist også) at begge er alt for gamle til å være Jacobs barn.
Men selv om alder fortsatt er varierende og ikke helt korrekt i forhold til kirkebøker, så er jeg ganske så overbevist om at dette er rette folket. Tokle er ikke akkurat noe vanlig navn, og ihvertfall er det neppe mange Tokle som dro til akkurat Dakota tidlig i 1880-årene. Jeg begynner så smått å tro på følgende hypotese:
Jacob er som tidligere antydet Jacob Knudsen Tokle, f. 1850. Han ser ut til å være gift med Annie, som er på omtrent samme alder (4 år eldre??). Står det om Annie er født i Norge?
Orma tror jeg skal være Anna, eller Kristina Ingeborg-Anna, f. 1843. Det kan neppe være andre siden hun er svigerinne av Ruben Belden.
Sine kan være en amerikansk form av Synnøve, som er siste søster som er nevnt før. Hun hadde som tidligere nevnt med seg en sønn, Kristian, f. 1867.
Da gjenstår Trine. Dette må være en 3. søster jeg ikke har nevnt før, hun het Petrine, var født 1846, og gikk lærerskole i Oslo. I de kilder jeg har står det at hun døde ugift, men jeg har ikke funnet henne i norske folketellinger. Det kan derfor være godt mulig at hun er dratt til USA til de andre søskenene, og ble gift der.
Håper du kan grave frem noe mer som kan bekrefte/avkrefte mine antagelser. Det hadde vært flott!
Beste hilsen Erling
Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Heisan...
Det er noen Tockle andre steder i USA som f.eks. Iowa og Minnesota.
Er du interessert i dem kan jeg finne dem for deg så kan du kikke på dem selv og evt. eliminere dem selv. Det hadde kanskje vært det beste for deg eller hva?
Annie var født i Norge ca 1853 og ankom USA i 1883.
Det er noen Tockle andre steder i USA som f.eks. Iowa og Minnesota.
Er du interessert i dem kan jeg finne dem for deg så kan du kikke på dem selv og evt. eliminere dem selv. Det hadde kanskje vært det beste for deg eller hva?
Annie var født i Norge ca 1853 og ankom USA i 1883.
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Hei igjen,
Det ville vært flott hvis du tar deg tid til det Mette. Det er jo godt mulig at de har flyttet ut fra Dakota-området.
Erling
Det ville vært flott hvis du tar deg tid til det Mette. Det er jo godt mulig at de har flyttet ut fra Dakota-området.
Erling
Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Heisan...
Litt pause fra julestria må jeg ha så her kommer det jeg finner.
Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
about A L Tockle
Name: A L Tockle
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Freeborn
Locality: Albert Lea Ward 1
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Line: 39
Roll: MNSC_26
På denne står det at de alle sammen er født i Nprge, både Anders, Mary og Anna
1880 United States Federal Census
about Anders Tockle
Name: Anders Tockle
Home in 1880: Albert Lea, Freeborn, Minnesota
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Mary
Father's birthplace: Norway
Mother's birthplace: Norway
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Tailor
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Anders Tockle 40
Mary Tockle 42
Anna Tockle 13
Mads Madson 25
Lewis Gunderson 19
Hans Madson 24
Rasmus Hanson 35
Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
about Mary Tockle
Name: Mary Tockle
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Freeborn
Locality: Albert Lea Ward 1
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Line: 40
Roll: MNSC_26
Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
about Annie Tockle
Name: Annie Tockle
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Freeborn
Locality: Albert Lea Ward 1
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Race: White
Line: 1
Roll: MNSC_26
1880 United States Federal Census
about Chris Tockle
Name: Chris Tockle
Home in 1880: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Netta
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Painter
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Chris Tockle 27
Netta Tockle 25
Nancy Tockle 5
Bessie Tockle 2
C. Anderson 31
E. Tockle 30
1880 United States Federal Census
about E. Tockle
Name: E. Tockle
Home in 1880: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Something other than a direct relationship (Other)
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Painter
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Chris Tockle 27
Netta Tockle 25
Nancy Tockle 5
Bessie Tockle 2
C. Anderson 31
E. Tockle 30
1880 United States Federal Census
about Just Tockle
Name: Just Tockle
Home in 1880: Westerheim, Lyon, Minnesota
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Just Tockle 28
1870 United States Federal Census
about Alletta Tockle
Name: Alletta Tockle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Age in 1870: 54
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 18, Cook, Illinois
Family and neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Chicago
1870 United States Federal Census
about Christian Tockle
Name: Christian Tockle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Age in 1870: 16
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 18, Cook, Illinois
Family and neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Chicago
1910 United States Federal Census
about Magnus Tockle
Name: Magnus Tockle
[Magnus Tackle]
Age in 1910: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1910: Utica School District, Fergus, Montana
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1904
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John M Duffy 35
Minnie L Duffy 53
Jessie Duffy 14
Bessie Holliday 24
Edwin Kempp 27
Oscar Kempp 24
William Heakford 23
William Arnold 23
James Foley 19
Andrew Hagan 33
William Selleek 19
William Briggs 50
Elijah Knight 28
James Knight 27
Magnus Tockle 31
Lewis Stiner 16
Alfred Storland 21
Donald Waite 22
Roll Cowan 29
Joseph Smith 20
Edward Meyear 32
Nelson Cuthbert 57
Her er det jeg fant på Tockle, men det er andre skrivemåter på navnet også som jeg skal sende til deg.
Regner med at du er interessert i dem også siden Jacob ikke skrev navnet sitt slik som dette.
Litt pause fra julestria må jeg ha så her kommer det jeg finner.
Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
about A L Tockle
Name: A L Tockle
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Freeborn
Locality: Albert Lea Ward 1
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Male
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Line: 39
Roll: MNSC_26
På denne står det at de alle sammen er født i Nprge, både Anders, Mary og Anna
1880 United States Federal Census
about Anders Tockle
Name: Anders Tockle
Home in 1880: Albert Lea, Freeborn, Minnesota
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Mary
Father's birthplace: Norway
Mother's birthplace: Norway
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Tailor
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Anders Tockle 40
Mary Tockle 42
Anna Tockle 13
Mads Madson 25
Lewis Gunderson 19
Hans Madson 24
Rasmus Hanson 35
Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
about Mary Tockle
Name: Mary Tockle
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Freeborn
Locality: Albert Lea Ward 1
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Line: 40
Roll: MNSC_26
Minnesota Territorial and State Censuses, 1849-1905
about Annie Tockle
Name: Annie Tockle
Census Date: 1 May 1885
County: Freeborn
Locality: Albert Lea Ward 1
Birth Location: Norway
Gender: Female
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Race: White
Line: 1
Roll: MNSC_26
1880 United States Federal Census
about Chris Tockle
Name: Chris Tockle
Home in 1880: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Netta
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Painter
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Chris Tockle 27
Netta Tockle 25
Nancy Tockle 5
Bessie Tockle 2
C. Anderson 31
E. Tockle 30
1880 United States Federal Census
about E. Tockle
Name: E. Tockle
Home in 1880: Portland, Multnomah, Oregon
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Something other than a direct relationship (Other)
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Painter
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Chris Tockle 27
Netta Tockle 25
Nancy Tockle 5
Bessie Tockle 2
C. Anderson 31
E. Tockle 30
1880 United States Federal Census
about Just Tockle
Name: Just Tockle
Home in 1880: Westerheim, Lyon, Minnesota
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Birthplace: Nor
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Father's birthplace: Nor
Mother's birthplace: Nor
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Just Tockle 28
1870 United States Federal Census
about Alletta Tockle
Name: Alletta Tockle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Age in 1870: 54
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 18, Cook, Illinois
Family and neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Female
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Chicago
1870 United States Federal Census
about Christian Tockle
Name: Christian Tockle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Age in 1870: 16
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1870: Chicago Ward 18, Cook, Illinois
Family and neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Chicago
1910 United States Federal Census
about Magnus Tockle
Name: Magnus Tockle
[Magnus Tackle]
Age in 1910: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Servant
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Home in 1910: Utica School District, Fergus, Montana
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1904
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John M Duffy 35
Minnie L Duffy 53
Jessie Duffy 14
Bessie Holliday 24
Edwin Kempp 27
Oscar Kempp 24
William Heakford 23
William Arnold 23
James Foley 19
Andrew Hagan 33
William Selleek 19
William Briggs 50
Elijah Knight 28
James Knight 27
Magnus Tockle 31
Lewis Stiner 16
Alfred Storland 21
Donald Waite 22
Roll Cowan 29
Joseph Smith 20
Edward Meyear 32
Nelson Cuthbert 57
Her er det jeg fant på Tockle, men det er andre skrivemåter på navnet også som jeg skal sende til deg.
Regner med at du er interessert i dem også siden Jacob ikke skrev navnet sitt slik som dette.
Ha fortsatt en god dag.....Mette på Hadeland
Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Heisan...
Jeg fant dem igjen i 1910 tellingen, men her er navnene til Jacob og Anna Fochle og Thrine heter Irine.
1910 United States Federal Census
about Irine Belden
Name: Irine Belden
[Irine Behlen]
Age in 1910: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Ruben H
Home in 1910: Lenora, Griggs, North Dakota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of Immigration: 1881
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben H Belden 52
Irine Belden 53
Jacob Fochle 54
Anna Fochle 50
Forral Forsen 19
Lida Joestad 12
Dette er ektemannen til Trina i 1880, så det kan se ut som de giftet seg en gang mellom 1881 og omtrent 1884.
Dette er en antagelse siden datteren er født i ca.1885.
1880 United States Federal Census
about Rueb. Belden
Name: Rueb. Belden
Home in 1880: Traill, Dakota Territory
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Canada
Relation to Head of Household: Something other than a direct relationship (Other)
Father's birthplace: Canada
Mother's birthplace: Canada
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Dette ser ut til å være når Jacob ankom USA.
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Jacob Tokel
Name: Jacob Tokel
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1880
Age: 29 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lord Gough
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Microfilm Roll Number: M425_99
Jeg skal se mere på dette, men du har litt å jobbe med her.
Det har blitt noen varianter i etternavnet til disse personene etterhvert.
Jeg fant dem igjen i 1910 tellingen, men her er navnene til Jacob og Anna Fochle og Thrine heter Irine.
1910 United States Federal Census
about Irine Belden
Name: Irine Belden
[Irine Behlen]
Age in 1910: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Birthplace: Norway
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birth Place: Norway
Mother's Birth Place: Norway
Spouse's Name: Ruben H
Home in 1910: Lenora, Griggs, North Dakota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of Immigration: 1881
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ruben H Belden 52
Irine Belden 53
Jacob Fochle 54
Anna Fochle 50
Forral Forsen 19
Lida Joestad 12
Dette er ektemannen til Trina i 1880, så det kan se ut som de giftet seg en gang mellom 1881 og omtrent 1884.
Dette er en antagelse siden datteren er født i ca.1885.
1880 United States Federal Census
about Rueb. Belden
Name: Rueb. Belden
Home in 1880: Traill, Dakota Territory
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Birthplace: Canada
Relation to Head of Household: Something other than a direct relationship (Other)
Father's birthplace: Canada
Mother's birthplace: Canada
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Farmer
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Dette ser ut til å være når Jacob ankom USA.
Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Jacob Tokel
Name: Jacob Tokel
Arrival Date: 23 Apr 1880
Age: 29 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Lord Gough
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Microfilm Roll Number: M425_99
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Ha fortsatt en god dag.....Mette på Hadeland
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Hei Erling!
Yes he was in this area. Traill County is to the west of my County of Norman in Minnesota. Polk County is to the north of me. Here is information to find his Naturalization papers in Minnesota.
Name: Jakob K. Tochle
County: Polk
Reel: 1
Code: 1
Volume: A
Page: 478
Document Type: Declaration of Intention
Years: 1873 -1881
Numbers: 1-618
Here are the Tochle's that applied in North Dakota:
Name Country Date Papers County Volume Page Comments
Tochle, Annie Norway June 08, 1891 1st Griggs D-2 007
Tochle, Annie Norway May 12, 1896 2nd Griggs F-10 190
Tochle, Jacob Norway July 11, 1885 1st Griggs D-1 156
Tochle, Sine Norway September 14, 1883 1st Griggs D-1 073
Yes he was in this area. Traill County is to the west of my County of Norman in Minnesota. Polk County is to the north of me. Here is information to find his Naturalization papers in Minnesota.
Name: Jakob K. Tochle
County: Polk
Reel: 1
Code: 1
Volume: A
Page: 478
Document Type: Declaration of Intention
Years: 1873 -1881
Numbers: 1-618
Here are the Tochle's that applied in North Dakota:
Name Country Date Papers County Volume Page Comments
Tochle, Annie Norway June 08, 1891 1st Griggs D-2 007
Tochle, Annie Norway May 12, 1896 2nd Griggs F-10 190
Tochle, Jacob Norway July 11, 1885 1st Griggs D-1 156
Tochle, Sine Norway September 14, 1883 1st Griggs D-1 073
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Hei, Mette and Margit.
Thanks for your help.
The Tochle people listed in Mette's mail of 22 Des 2007 22:00:24 seems to be only people not related to "my" Tochle family. Mette's last mail shows that Jacob Tockle arrived in 1880 via Philadelphia, and Margit's mail shows that he is in Polk County. Minnesota in 1881, and then he is in Traill County, Dakota in 1885, and takes land in Griggs County in 1886.
This explains why I do not find him in emigrant protocols from Kristiansund, since the protocols starts in 1882. Maybe he and Annie had no children, since the records shows nothing.
But there must be some more records of the 3 sisters somewhere, and Synnøves son Christian (born 1879) and Petrine (Trine) daughter Mabel Belden (born 1885). I will have to go on searching, I think.
Anyway, a Merry Christmas to both Mette and Margit. Hope its not to cold in Minnesota, here we have -10 degrees Centigrade and 1 foot of snow.
Regards Erling
Thanks for your help.
The Tochle people listed in Mette's mail of 22 Des 2007 22:00:24 seems to be only people not related to "my" Tochle family. Mette's last mail shows that Jacob Tockle arrived in 1880 via Philadelphia, and Margit's mail shows that he is in Polk County. Minnesota in 1881, and then he is in Traill County, Dakota in 1885, and takes land in Griggs County in 1886.
This explains why I do not find him in emigrant protocols from Kristiansund, since the protocols starts in 1882. Maybe he and Annie had no children, since the records shows nothing.
But there must be some more records of the 3 sisters somewhere, and Synnøves son Christian (born 1879) and Petrine (Trine) daughter Mabel Belden (born 1885). I will have to go on searching, I think.
Anyway, a Merry Christmas to both Mette and Margit. Hope its not to cold in Minnesota, here we have -10 degrees Centigrade and 1 foot of snow.
Regards Erling
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Hei Erling!
I can order the obituary if you wish.
Name (Last, First Middle) Date of Death County of Death Gender Age Date of Birth State of Residence County of Residence Action
BELDEN, TRINA 02/26/1930 Stutsman FEMALE 76 Years 05/17/1853 North Dakota Nelson
I can order the obituary if you wish.
Name (Last, First Middle) Date of Death County of Death Gender Age Date of Birth State of Residence County of Residence Action
BELDEN, TRINA 02/26/1930 Stutsman FEMALE 76 Years 05/17/1853 North Dakota Nelson
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Surname GivenName Age BPlace Parents BPlace DeathDate Burial Book/Page
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BELDEN THINA 76 Norway Ole Jensen,Hilda Olson Norway Feb 26, 1930 Fargo, ND R23-7
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BELDEN THINA 76 Norway Ole Jensen,Hilda Olson Norway Feb 26, 1930 Fargo, ND R23-7
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Hei, Margit, thank you for your information.
With this new info from you, I am starting to get doubtful again regarding Trina. Obviously, the Trina Belden that dies in Fargo can not be the sister of Jacob Tockle, since the names of the parents do not match. Jacob Tockles parents were Knut Pedersen and Margrete Fredriksdatter, and here the parents of Trina are called Ole Jensen and Hilda Olson (provided that the lists are correct).
Jacob is called brother-in-law to Ruben Belden, I thought this indicated that Trina was Jacobs sister. But another possibility could be that Trina is the sister of Jacobs wife, Annie. However, Trina is called Trine Tockle in the Dakota land records, which indicates that she must be related to Jacob.
So, something is wrong in my thinking, but I do not see how to combine the information correctly. I think that more information are needed to conclude correctly. Is there any marriage registrations available for any of these people? And maybe we come closer if we find info on the other sisters of Jacob?
I would really like find out what happened to my great grandmothers only brother and 3 sisters.
Best regards
Erling
With this new info from you, I am starting to get doubtful again regarding Trina. Obviously, the Trina Belden that dies in Fargo can not be the sister of Jacob Tockle, since the names of the parents do not match. Jacob Tockles parents were Knut Pedersen and Margrete Fredriksdatter, and here the parents of Trina are called Ole Jensen and Hilda Olson (provided that the lists are correct).
Jacob is called brother-in-law to Ruben Belden, I thought this indicated that Trina was Jacobs sister. But another possibility could be that Trina is the sister of Jacobs wife, Annie. However, Trina is called Trine Tockle in the Dakota land records, which indicates that she must be related to Jacob.
So, something is wrong in my thinking, but I do not see how to combine the information correctly. I think that more information are needed to conclude correctly. Is there any marriage registrations available for any of these people? And maybe we come closer if we find info on the other sisters of Jacob?
I would really like find out what happened to my great grandmothers only brother and 3 sisters.
Best regards
Erling
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Hei Erling!
I question the information. There was a Tochle family in Chicago area, would you know if they were related?
I will check more on this later, for now it is Christmas with the grandchildren!
I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and New Years!
From cold, snowy and always windy Minnesota.
I question the information. There was a Tochle family in Chicago area, would you know if they were related?
I will check more on this later, for now it is Christmas with the grandchildren!
I hope you have a wonderful Christmas and New Years!
From cold, snowy and always windy Minnesota.
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
R. H. Belden was born in Ontario, Canada in 1857 and settled in Griggs County in 1880. He homesteaded on East half of Section 28 in Lenora Township where he began farming. He married Irene Trina Tockle who came from Norway. He became acquainted with Miss Tockle at the time she operated a boarding house in Cooperstown. There were three children, 2 died in infancy. Mabel, the surviving child, married Evan Gutormson who had come from Iowa and had purchased the East half of Section 28 and West half of Section 29 in Lenora Township.
Mr. Belden had a large windmill on his farm, which was also used to grind feed. One time when the windmill would not start, he climbed up to fix it. It suddenly started, his thumb was caught, and Mr. Belden had no choice but to jerk the thumb off.
Mr. Belden was active in community and Township affairs.
Source: Griggs County History 1879 - 1976 Page 336
Mr. Belden had a large windmill on his farm, which was also used to grind feed. One time when the windmill would not start, he climbed up to fix it. It suddenly started, his thumb was caught, and Mr. Belden had no choice but to jerk the thumb off.
Mr. Belden was active in community and Township affairs.
Source: Griggs County History 1879 - 1976 Page 336
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Re: Synnøve Knutsdatter Stangvik, utvandra 1882 til Dakota
Thanks again, Margit. Very interesting information.
Since the Beldon family holds the eastern part of section 28, this corresponds very well with the connection to Jacob Tockle. In the Dakota Land Records, we see that Annie Tockle gets the South-Eastern part of that section in 1896, and that Trine Tockle gets the North-Eastern part in 1887.
The western parts of section 28 were taken by Jacob Tockle (NW) and Sine Tockle (SW).
You also ask about the Tochle family in Chicago area, if they were related to "my" Tockle people. There were some relatives in the Chicago area in the 1880's and 1890's, and they might have been using Tochle or Tockle at their last name, but later on they used Bruseth. These brothers and sisters were all the children of Jacobs oldest sister. Their names were:
- Halvor, born 1857, emmigrated in 1887 to Chicago, went on to the West Coast, returned to Norway appr. 1900
- Anders Gjertinus, born 1859, emmigrated in 1881 to Chicago, returned to Norway 1911
- Margrete, born 1861, emmigrated in 1887 to Minnesota, returned to Norway
- Andrea, born 1865, emmigrated in 1882 to Illinois, returned to Norway 1890
- Fredrik, born 1867, emmigrated in 1889 to Chicago, went on to the West Coast and later to Klondyke and made a fortune on goldmining, returned to Norway as a rich man in 1899
- Maria Antonette, born 1869, emmigrated in 1887 to Chicago, returned to Norway
Other Tochle people in Chicago is probably not related to "my" Tockle's (if not any of the Tockle's in Dakota went to Chicago later on).
Still, I guess the key must be to find out what happened to Jacob and the other sisters after 1885? Is it possible to find out more about the owners of the West part of section 28 after Jacob Tockle?
Not so easy to track these people!
Regards Erling
Since the Beldon family holds the eastern part of section 28, this corresponds very well with the connection to Jacob Tockle. In the Dakota Land Records, we see that Annie Tockle gets the South-Eastern part of that section in 1896, and that Trine Tockle gets the North-Eastern part in 1887.
The western parts of section 28 were taken by Jacob Tockle (NW) and Sine Tockle (SW).
You also ask about the Tochle family in Chicago area, if they were related to "my" Tockle people. There were some relatives in the Chicago area in the 1880's and 1890's, and they might have been using Tochle or Tockle at their last name, but later on they used Bruseth. These brothers and sisters were all the children of Jacobs oldest sister. Their names were:
- Halvor, born 1857, emmigrated in 1887 to Chicago, went on to the West Coast, returned to Norway appr. 1900
- Anders Gjertinus, born 1859, emmigrated in 1881 to Chicago, returned to Norway 1911
- Margrete, born 1861, emmigrated in 1887 to Minnesota, returned to Norway
- Andrea, born 1865, emmigrated in 1882 to Illinois, returned to Norway 1890
- Fredrik, born 1867, emmigrated in 1889 to Chicago, went on to the West Coast and later to Klondyke and made a fortune on goldmining, returned to Norway as a rich man in 1899
- Maria Antonette, born 1869, emmigrated in 1887 to Chicago, returned to Norway
Other Tochle people in Chicago is probably not related to "my" Tockle's (if not any of the Tockle's in Dakota went to Chicago later on).
Still, I guess the key must be to find out what happened to Jacob and the other sisters after 1885? Is it possible to find out more about the owners of the West part of section 28 after Jacob Tockle?
Not so easy to track these people!
Regards Erling