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Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 03 nov 2013 10:19:10

Hi,

I am looking for emigration and the norwegian home of this person:

Mathilda/Matilde Meyer, born Nov 1855 in Norway.

She arrived in Eau Claire, Wisconsin in 1873 and immediately married Jacob Jacobsen Wangen. Jacob was from Vangen nordre in Nordre Fron, Oppland. I looked for Matilda in Nordre Fron, but did not find her there.

She may have also used the name Matilda Olsen. One FT says she arrived in 1870, but all other records say 1873.

I have all records from America exept a marriage record, there were no marriages recorded at that time. I only Need info on Matilda, not on Jacob Jacobsen Vangen.

Mvh,

Brian

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 03 nov 2013 22:44:48

Hi

Seems like her parents were born in Ireland?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MN4F-TN1

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 04 nov 2013 15:06:52

Hi Vivi,

No, the familysearch.com index is wrong. The original census record says Norway.

Mvh,

Brian

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 04 nov 2013 15:38:33

:?: :?:

Jacob Jacobson, "Wisconsin, Marriages, 1836-1930"
Name: Jacob Jacobson
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mathild Olson
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 22 Sep 1873
Event Place: Dunn, Wisconsin, United States
Father's Name: Jacob Olson
Mother's Name: Marie Knudson
Spouse's Father's Name: Ole Anderson
Spouse's Mother's Name: Bentson
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I00723-7
System Origin: Wisconsin-ODM
GS Film number: 1266967
Reference ID:

Citing this Record
"Wisconsin, Marriages, 1836-1930," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XR5W-9YQ : accessed 04 Nov 2013), Jacob Jacobson and Mathild Olson, 22 Sep 1873.
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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 04 nov 2013 15:55:26

Hi Brian

If the census is the only source of Mathilde beeing born 1855 this might be one year off (as you know censuses are often wrong)

Here is a Mathilde born in November in Land, Oppland fylke with father Ole Andersen. No Meyer or no Bentson in her mother's name and she is born 1856 not 1855.

No 8:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... x_side=-51
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 630654.jpg

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 04 nov 2013 15:58:42

:?: :?:

Prot. ref. Side Lp.nr. Døypt År Sokn/Kyrkje Ekte/Uekte
756 11 54 154 26.12.1851 1851 Strømmen E
Rolle Still./sivilst. Førenamn Etternamn Bustad Kjønn Fødd dato Fødd år
6323 Barn Mathilde K 23.11 1851
6324 Far Smed Ole Andreassen Svelvig
6325 Mor Hust. Torine Bentsdatter Svelvig
6326 Fadder Kirkerud M
6327 Fadder Anders Trulsen M
6328 Fadder Anders Olsen M
6329 Fadder Moderen K
6330 Fadder Hendrikke Ingebretsd. K
Digitalarkivet 2013. Rettar til databasen: Hurum historielag. Versjon frå 3/23/2004. Talet på oppslag: 94415 (6 i dag)

Mathilde Olesdatter, "Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927"
Name: Mathilde Olesdatter
Gender: Female
Event Date: 26 Dec 1851
Event Place: Hurum, Buskerud, Norway
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1851
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Ole Andreassen
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Torine Bentsdr
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C42860-3
System Origin: Norway-EASy
GS Film number: 278196
Reference ID: 54-154

Citing this Record
"Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NW7J-84Y : accessed 04 Nov 2013), Mathilde Olesdatter, 23 Nov 1851.
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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 04 nov 2013 17:50:49

Hi Margit and Vivi,

Thanks for your help. The marriage record Margit posted from 22 Sep 1873 is correct. The parents of Jacob Jacobsen Stensrud match.

Jacob was from Nordre Fron. I still think Jacob and Mathilda must have known each other in Norway.

Brian

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 04 nov 2013 20:21:43

They could have met on the boat. :wink:

There may be a discrepancy on where?

Mathilde Olsen, "Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927"
Name: Mathilde Olsen
Gender: Female
Event Date: 26 Dec 1851
Event Place: , STROMMEN, VESTFOLD, NORWAY
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1851
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Ole Andreassen
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Turine Bentsdr
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C42392-1
System Origin: Norway-EASy
GS Film number: 127643
Reference ID:
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"Norway, Baptisms, 1634-1927," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NWY2-S4L : accessed 04 Nov 2013), Mathilde Olsen, 23 Nov 1851.
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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 04 nov 2013 21:23:43

Ancestry.com gives me the following info on Mathilda's parents:

Ole Anderson, born 1831
Anna Bentson, born 1835

I can't find any source for these names and dates, but it does seem to match the marriage record.

Jacon Jacobsen Wangen arrived in 1870:

Left parish on 8 Jun 1870 (not married)

#86
Kildeinformasjon: Oppland fylke, Nord-Fron, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1865-1883), Utflyttede 1871, Innflyttede 1871, side 457.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-353

Left Oslo 8 Jul 1870 - destination La Crosse, WI
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... 18820#ovre

Mathilda arrived in 1873 and married the same year. I haven't found any records of her leaving Norway.

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 04 nov 2013 21:48:19

My personal gut feeling is the one I sent you born in November of 1851. Did you check her out? Bent/Bernt is not that common of a name.
What does her death certificate say for birth date? What does her obituary say? What does her grave say? What does the Church book records say about her where she attended Church?
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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 04 nov 2013 23:03:16

Hi Brian

I think Margit might have found the correct one.
The parents of Mathilde born in Hurum is Ole Andreassen and Anne Torine Bentsdatter.
Their birthdates however are not the same as those you have.

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCen ... k=665#ovre

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 05 nov 2013 02:52:43

I also think Margit may be correct! Ole Andreassen was living on the farm MYHRE when he married, which could have been called "Meyer" in America. I'll see if I can trace her.

Brian

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 05 nov 2013 10:14:52

Hi

I tried to find out more about Mathilde yesterday, but I'm not able to find her or her surviving siblings anywhere.
She had an older brother Andreas (born Dec 15, 1849) and two younger brothers Oluf Antoni (born April 10, 1854 and died 1855) and Peter born Feb. 10, 1856.
Their mother died January 1858, but unfortunately no online probate.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... k=846#ovre

Their father remarried 1860 in Røyken where he was born (Røgen = Røyken)
No 14:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-222
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 330222.jpg

Ole and his second wife with 3 children in the 1865 census in Røyken:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =1314#ovre

When Ole dies January 1877 he leaves his wife and 6 not yet grown up children behind:
No 6:
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/55613/34/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 203035.jpg

All his children from his first marriage are grown and not mentioned in the probate. The information was given by his wife, now widow, Stina.

Stina was living in Kristiania in the 1900 census - according to the census in Røyken.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCen ... =3290#ovre
And here in Kristiania living with her daughter and son-in-law:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCen ... 19324#ovre

Vivi

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 05 nov 2013 10:24:50

Hi


When Mathilde was born, her parents residence was Svelvig
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =6323#ovre

So this must be her in the 1865 census living in Svelvik:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCen ... k=319#ovre

Here is her confirmation in Strømm (Svelvik) no 14:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-122
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 011192.jpg

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 05 nov 2013 11:59:43

Hi

Mathilde's brother Andreas in the 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCen ... k=410#ovre

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 05 nov 2013 14:30:17

Hi

The farm-name Myhre is from Mathilde's maternal grandparents. (Her father might have worked there and therefor used the name.)

The marriage of Mathilde's grandparents:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... k=760#ovre

The birth of Mathilde's mother:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... k=679#ovre

You find the farm-name Myhre again when Mathilde's uncle Peter is born:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcen ... =2839#ovre

This might be Mathilde's grandfather and Mathilde's brother Peter (Petter) in the 1865 census:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCen ... rk=79#ovre

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 05 nov 2013 16:04:20

Hi Vivi,

Thanks again for the great help! The death records you found and the 2nd marriage for Mathilde's father really helped put things together.

I did find the conformation for Andreas:

Confirmation # 10
Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Strømm, Ministerialbok nr. 1 (1861-1869), Konfirmerte 1865, side 128.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-117


His mother's first Name is listed wrong, but I know the record is correct.

I wish the "Udfyttende" records were better for this parish! I would like to find a record of Mathilde leaving for America!

Brian

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 05 nov 2013 16:11:14

Hi

Svelvik is not far from Drammen.
A lot of emigrantships departed from Drammen, but a lot of the records are lost (as far as I know).

Many of those ships leaving Drammen sailed to Canada and emigrants entered US from there. If you have a Ancestry-membership, maybe you can find her entering Canada and/or crossing the border?

Vivi

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 05 nov 2013 17:21:52

Thanks Vivi,

I'll check the Canada arrivals.

Do I understand this correctly? Svelvik is a parish in Strømmen, and Strømmen was part of Hurum in Buskerud until 1861 - then Strømmen became part of Vestfold?

Brian

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 05 nov 2013 20:57:05

Hi


Strømm(en) and Svelvik now in Vestfold was up until 1861 a part of Hurum in Buskerud.
Confusing.

Vivi

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 06 nov 2013 16:42:28

Hi

This might be the death of Mathilde's older brother Andreas and younger brother Peter. Both died from the same illnes. And probably her grandfather Bent Bentsen Myhre.
This might explain why she emigrated around 1870 - if this is the correct Mathilde.

No 55, no 2 and no 7:
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?i ... _side=-224
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 640062.jpg

I found no other Andreas Olsen in correct age in the 1865 census, but it is a rather common name.

Vivi

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 07 nov 2013 00:52:20

Hi

I found the death of Mathilde's step-mother Stine. But no mentioning of any step-children only 6 grown children.

Stina died in 1920 in Røyken.
No 29 bottom right page:
Permanent sidelenke: http://arkivverket.no/URN:sk_read/55614/114/
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 204115.jpg

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 08 nov 2013 16:34:38

Thanks, Vivi,

I think you are right about the death of Andreas and Peter. That would explain why she
emigrated so early - she had no one left.

Bian

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj09303 » 08 nov 2013 17:05:27

Hi

Her grandfather also died at the same time.

It all fits - except her birth-year. Have you found her in any emigation-list in Canada?

Vivi

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Re: Mathilda Meyer

Legg inn av gj05515 » 09 nov 2013 05:34:40

I found several named Mathilde Olsen arriving in Canada, some right from Drammen. Too hard to know which one might be the correct one!

Mvh,

Brian

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