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thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av 55354 » 09 mar 2013 00:04:23

Søker opplysninger om Torvald Syversen f 1.6.1885 i Barbu, Aust Agder. Han skal ha emigrert til Amerika i 1914. Jeg har søkt litt etter han i amerikanske arkiver uten noe hell. <håper at jeg kan få god hjelp her på forumet. Han giftet seg i Vålerenga menighet i Kristiania 5.12.1904 med Anna Sophie Larsen. Han reiste vistnok til Amerika uten familien. Håper noen kan hjelpe meg med å finne ut hva som skjedde med han der borte. Kansje han stiftet ny fam der borte. han er for meg en stor gåte. Det er rart at mennesker bare kan forsvinne uten spor.
På forhånd takk for all hjelp.
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 09 mar 2013 00:09:46

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Thorvald Syversen
Arrival Date: 23 Jun 1914
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Location: Norway
Birth Location Other: kendal
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Bergen
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bergensfjord

I see he was going to visit Elvin Anderson at Hendricks, Minnesota.
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av dn19075 » 09 mar 2013 03:46:28

U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Thornwald Syverson

Name: Thornwald Syverson
County: Charles
State: Maryland
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1885
Race: White

Født i Norge. Nærmeste familie er Anne Syverson i Norge.
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av dn19075 » 09 mar 2013 03:52:14

Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
about Thornvald Syversen

Name: Thornvald Syversen
Residence: General Delivery Ashland, Wisconsin, United States of America
Birth Date: 1 Jun 1885
Birth Location: Norway
Relative: Anna Syversen
Relationship: Wife
Regiment Number: 2503676
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av dn19075 » 09 mar 2013 04:08:30

Margit skrev:New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Thorvald Syversen
Arrival Date: 23 Jun 1914
Birth Date: abt 1885
Birth Location: Norway
Birth Location Other: kendal
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Bergen
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Bergensfjord

I see he was going to visit Elvin Anderson at Hendricks, Minnesota.


Elvin er Thorvalds svoger.

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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av 55354 » 09 mar 2013 19:47:15

hei, takk for svarene så langt. Håper det er mere å finne om Torvald. Det er jo litt rart at han blir borte. Ikke finner jeg han i Norske arkiver eller Amerikanske/Canadiske heller etter 1918. Det må jo finnes noe spor skulle jeg tro. Håper på fortsatt hjelp med å finne noe mer om Torvald. Han var yngste bror til min farmor, og er den eneste jeg ikke har opplysninger om av hennes søsken.
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av Margit Bakke » 09 mar 2013 20:04:55

:?: :?: :?:
Looks like Syverson on the census

1920 United States Federal Census about Thowald Laverka
Name: Thowald Laverka
[Thomald Saverna]
[Thorwald Saverka]
Age: 34
Birth Year: abt 1886
Birthplace: Norway
Home in 1920: San Francisco Assembly District 28, San Francisco, California
Race: White
Gender: Male
Father's Birthplace: Norway
Mother's Birthplace: Norway
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thowald Laverka 34
H Lair 36
E K*Assin E 28
J Hasselbrna 36
F Pisia 49
George F Blackney 50
Christ Bjorn 34
J A Nelson 36
L J Mesa 35
Johan L Carlman 37
Iver R Landstrom 23
J Johnson 39
Peter Cude 33
J Anderson 32
J E Abbott 18
H Heal 17
O Klensted 43
E Hedqrint 36
A Dalsgaard 46
K Dahlstrom 23
J J Michelson 43
P Olsen 44
J H Kenny 50
R Mathiasen 20
William Anderson 20
William Foster 37
John Brown 29
T Nordeman 39
G A Bergman 24
Thomas Davin 42
F Johanson 32
J Anderson 43
Harry Jones 44
S Anderson 25
O Brandt 39
C M Nelson 42
L M Pederson 25
Fred Thirkelsen 34
Lankas Montola 24
Joel Brne 17
Alex Gardner 19
Tracy Hall 19
Roy Munsell 18
M H Mears 22
Martin Christenson 24
George Galbraith 25
John W Baker 29
G Catrelis 38
L R Wilson 22
Arthur M Nelson 28
G Bevins 28
A Lipton 20
W L Nelson 23
P Komfulsis 34
W Koet 34
R Holzt 43
H.T. Gonsales 29
E Fisher 41
C Bledsoe 35
Joseph Harris 66
Harry Hammond 39
[34]
J J Fitzgerald 33
Harold J Larimer 19
T R Parsons 29
A E Oxford 38
A R North 32
T Smith 26
G Stewart 56
R Mchaven 42
W E Garston 31
S Cockell 24
Wm Kratz 45
S H Agnew 22
H J Wiburd 33
William Weeks 26
E M Waterbury 28
D T Mehigh 35
W Wallace 50
T G Thomson 29
M Opt Eyndi 41
[42]
H W William 33
Ernest Regan 34
William Cullen 35
Ja A Ferris 34
P Cornors 29
J H Trask 27
G Baker 38
Geo Algren 44
H Taidell 27
H Wrisa 37
[32]
Ch Sabin 34
Tony Metros 31
K Soar 35
H Pilkintar 21
J Louisqoist 36
J J Peterson 22
J H Johanson 40
W Bryning 35
Frank Morrison 18
Harry Romer 19
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av 55354 » 26 mar 2013 08:54:51

Hei margit, jeg sjekket den censusen og synes også at det kan se ut som Syversen.
Torvald var i norge i 1923. har kommet over et bilde av han hans kone,hans svigerinne og hennes sønn. dette bilde er tatt i Oslo 1923. finner han ikke i norske tellinger eller dødbøker, så jeg tror han reiste tilbake til statene. Kunne du søke i Amerikanske tellinger etter 1923 for meg. Jeg ville være svært takknemlig for det.
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av gj17048 » 19 sep 2013 11:29:30

Hei!

Her er en "Voter List" for 1963, der en Torvald Syversen er bosatt i Castle Apartment, Lethbrigde, Alberta i Canada.

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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av gj17048 » 19 sep 2013 11:35:02

Voter List for 1974, nå bosatt på Devon Nursing Home i samme by.

Det ligger for øvrig et slektstre på Ancestry, med en Torvald Syversen født i 1885, men det er merket "privat". Dersom du ønsker, kan jeg ta kontakt med eieren av treet og høre om de er villig til å bekrefte/avkrefte at det er din Torvald det dreier seg om.

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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av gj17048 » 19 sep 2013 11:42:15

Du kan jo evt ta kontakt med kirkevergen i Lethbridge og høre om de har fødselsdatoen på denne Torvald?

http://www.lethbridge.ca/living-here/Ce ... fault.aspx

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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av dn27264 » 19 sep 2013 16:33:38

Torvold Syversen (Syverson in Canada) died in the City of Lethbridge in the Province of Alberta in Canada on 13. March 1980. His estate was taken over by provincial authorities who placed the following notice in the Lethbridge Herald Newspaper on 1. October 1980. To do so meant that there were issues in settling his estate after his death. Here is the text from the Public Notice:


PUBLIC NOTICES

NOTICE TO CREDITORS
AND CLAIMANTS

IN THE SURROGATE COURT OF ALBERTA JUDICIAL DISTRICT
OF LETHBRIDE In the Estate of TORVALD SYVERSON, late of the City of Lethbridge, in
the Province of Alberta, who died on the 13th day of March. A.D.. 1980. TAKE NOTICE that all persons having claims upon the Estate of the above named must file with the undersigned by the 31st day of October, A.D., 1980. a 'full statement of their claims
and of securities held by them.

Public Trustee
201, 620 7 Avenue. S.W.
Calgary, Alberta
Canada


In order to Torvald to be able to vote in Canadian elections, he must have a one point been naturalised a British Subject. Documents on his naturalisation would be available from the Ministry of Citizenship and Immigration Canada.

I'll try to find an obiturary for him.

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Legg inn av dn27264 » 19 sep 2013 16:48:18

Here is his obiturary, published on March 14, 1980, in the said newspaper:

SYVERSON - Passed away in the city on Thursday, March 13th, 1980, Mr. Torvald Syverson at the age of 73 years of Parkland Nursing Home. The Graveside Service will be held at 1.00 p.m. on Saturday, March 15, 1980 in Mountain View Cemetery. MARTIN BROS. LTD., Directors of the Funeral Service. Telephone 325-2361.

If the provincial authorities got involved with his estate, then you would be able to have a search of the Province of Alberta probate records undertaken. If probate records are found, then you would be able to order them.

Erik

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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av dn27264 » 19 sep 2013 17:15:00

When it concerns Torvald's First World War service, it looks as if he came to Canada in March 1917 to enlist in the Canadian Army, specifically the Canadian Over-seas Expeditionary Force. His military record is available from Library and Archives Canada at the following link:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/data ... 3qguucj8i0

He was declared fit for service, but you would have to order his Canadian army record to see if he saw any actualy military service in Europe between March and August 1918.

For some reason, he travelled back to the United States and enlisted in the American Army in September 1918. However, I doubt that he would have seen any military service in Europe while in the American army seeing as the War ended on November 11, 1918.

Seeing as he served in the Canadian Army he would have been entitled to a military grave.

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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av gj17048 » 19 sep 2013 19:08:29

Unfortunately, this seems to be the wrong person, as the right Thorvald would have been 95 years old had he passed away in 1980. But in a way it is good to be able to eliminate a person from the search.

It is not easy to find the right person when the date of birth isn't given in the documents....


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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av 55354 » 19 sep 2013 19:44:51

Det er rart det ikke står fødselsdato på noen dokumenter. Det gjør jo sitt til at det er nesten umulig å finne ut om det er rett Torvald.
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Re: thorvald Syversen f 1.6.1885

Legg inn av dn27264 » 19 sep 2013 22:11:46

The Thorvald Syversen who came to Canada (the City of Winnipeg in the Province of Manitoba) in 1918 and enlisted in the Canadian Over-seas Expeditionary Force was born on June 1, 1885 in Norway and had been living in Ashland, Wisconsin, United States. I don't know why he came to Canada to enlist in the Canadian Army, but for some reason he travelled back to the United States and enlisted in the American Army in September 1918, in Charles County in the State of Maryland. The Thorvald Syversen who enlisted in the American Army also has June 1, 1885 as his date of birth, so I'm assuming that this is the same fellow.

From a Canadian perspective, the only thing that I can recommend is ordering Thorvald's military record while he was in the Canadian Army (March 1918 to August 1918). It might contain a few clues. I can't say if Thorvald ever came back to Canada, but the 1921 Census of Canada was just released about a month ago, but won't be indexed till December 2013. Once it's indexed, you could try to see if he appears in the 1921 Census of Canada. Otherwise, you could try to find him in the 1920, 1930 or 1940 censuses of the United States.

Canada always releases her censuses 92.5 years after they were taken, so the 1931 census won't be released till 2023 (this is of course valuable should you find him in the 1921 Census of Canada). My personal feeling is that he did not return to Canada after returning to the United States in September 1918. I noticed that upon his enrolement in the Canadian Army, then later in the American Army, that he changed the spelling of his first name to 'Thornwald'. Perhaps he changed the spelling of his surname?

Of course, the Thorvald Syverson in the City of Lethbridge in the Province of Alberta is a different Thorvald Syversen, so you can forgot him as a possibility.

Erik

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