Ole Johansen f. 30. juni 1858 Aurskog

[Jan Braathen]

Jeg har et spørsmål vedrørende Ole Johansen f. 30. juni 1858 Aurskog.

I et avisutklipp fra 5. februar 1916 er en artikkel vedrørende Anne Dortea (Dorthea) Christiansen sin 90 års dag og 5 generasjoner feirer dagen. I artikkelen står det at hun har i live (per 5. februar 1916). Der står det at hun har 7 barn og av de er 2 i Amerika, 1 på Kongsvinger og 4 i Kristiania.

Jeg har funnet 7 barn (+ 1 avdød) hvorav alle er født i Blaker/Aurskog.

Ett av barna som jeg tror kan ha emigrert til USA er Ole Johansen.

Ole Johansen (f. 30. juni 1858 Aurskog - d ? USA ?)
Han bodde på Ønserud gård i Aurskog i FT 1865
Han ble konfirmert i Blaker kirke 19. oktober 1873
Etter dette finner jeg ingen ting om han i Norge.
Derfor tror jeg han er en av de to barnene til Anne Dortea som reiste til Amerika

Jeg har ikke klart å finne ut når han emigrerte, om han giftet seg og fikk barn eller når han døde.

Det jeg har klart å finne ut er følgende (selv om jeg er usikker på om dette er rett person):

Det er mulig at Ole Johansen emigrerte til Amerika fra Kristiania. En som passer til alderen (24 år) dro fra Kristiania 15. september 1882 med reisemål Racine (Wisconsin ?), med linjen Elster og skipet Angelo.

Finner ham ikke som død i Racine på
http://genealogytrails.com/wis/racine/n ... eaths3.htm

Det er en Ole Johnson (39 år gammel) som dør i 1898 (27. april) i Racine County, Wisconsin (ihht FamilySearch.org). Han skal være født 31. juli 1858 i Norge. Far er notert som John Christianson og mor som Anna Christianson. Han skal være gift med «Andreas Johnson» som virker litt merkelig. Han skal være begravet på «Mound Cem.».

Det er også en Ole Johansen (født 1858 ) som kom til New York i 1886 med skipet Hekla.
Dette ihht til familysearch.org. Finner han ikke i emigarsjons databasen fra Kristiania.

Håper at noen kan hjelpe meg å finne ut mer om Ole Johansen.

Jeg legger inn et eget innlegg om det andre barnet som jeg tror reiste til Amerika (Caroline Johansdatter)

hilsen
Jan
 

[gj06100]

Hei!
I wonder if this is a record of the birth of a child of Ole Johnson in 1893 (record says this male child is a twin)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRKD-2C9

This must be the twin (female)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRK8-7L8

mvh
Patty

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Patty,

This could be him. On another link:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X21R-689

From his death in 1898 it says

Birth date 31. July 1858. ---> He was born 30. June 1858
Father, John Christianson -----> Father was Johan Christiansen
Mother, Anna Chrisianson -----> Mother was Anne Dortea Christiansen


The only thing that doesn't fit. In 1905 Anna Dortea had her 90 year anniversary.
In a notice in a newspaper it said that she has seven kids alive where two was in USA.

If Ole died in 1898, he's not alive in 1905. But it could be so that there were no contact between Ole and his parents after he moved to USA. And therefore believed that he's alive.

I'm unsure about this.

regards
Jan
 

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Patty,

Another link

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRK6-8PF

Another son born 3. May 1896.

Since both of the boys (1893 and 1896) has the name Johnson (surname), what's the given name for these boys. I guess that the name on the top Ole (Olle) Johnson is the name of the father. What's the name of the two boys.


regards
Jan
 

[gj06100]

Hei Jan
Yes, I saw the links from FS for the 3rd child and also Ole's death in 1898.
I would say that is a pretty good match (pretty close re month of birth) for Ole's death record.

When the twins were born they were not given first names yet. ...the parents would name them "soon".
That is why whey only have a last name in the birth record.

Have you looked for Ole's wife (and children) in the 1900 census?

mvh
Patty
My mother was also not given a first name on her birth record.

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Patty,

Yes I did. She has 4 living children. Her immigration to USA is the same year as Ole Johansen left Norway. So they could have been married in Norway before leaving Norway or they might met each other in USA and married there.

Are you able to find out if they married in USA.

I'll check if they left Norway on the same boat.


regards
Jan
 

[gj14114]

I DFP (dødsfallsprotokoll) for faren Johan Kristiansen, død 1.1.1905, er innført; "6 myndige barn, hvorav 5 her i landet, 1 i Amerika." - NR. 3 - Oslo fylke, Oslo skifterett, Dødsfallsprotokoll nr. C 2 (1903-1905), Dødsfallsprotokollside, Side 176, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090515340533

I DFP for Anne Dorthea Kristiansen (f. Larsdatter), d. 21. juni 1916, er innført; "efterlader 6 (det er klusset med tallet, kan se ut som det har skrevet 7 over 6 tallet (min. anm.) myndige børn, hvorav 1 fraværende." - NR. 953 - Oslo fylke, Oslo skifterett, Dødsfallsprotokoll nr. C 8 (1915-1917), Dødsfallsprotokollside, Side 126, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/sk20090515350679

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Patty,

Andrea Peters. Left Oslo (Kristiania) on 15. September 1882 on the ship named Angelo.
She's born in Kragerø far away from Aurskog where Ole came from.

They might met on the ship and fell in love.

Maybe the immigration protocol will show their status and background.


regards
Jan
 

[gj14114]

Han ble konfirmert i Blaker kirke 19. oktober 1873
Etter dette finner jeg ingen ting om han i Norge.

Han bodde sammen med familien i FT 1875 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/pe ... 2043004510

Han gikk i skomakerlære.

[gj06100]

Hei Jan
Can you give the FS link for Ole's wife and children? (census year 1900 etc)...after Ole died.

mvh
Patty

[Jan Braathen]

Takk Egil,

Dette ser ut til å stemme. Jeg har funnet 8 barn og det siste barnet døde etter noen måneder i 1867. Ole Johansen døde i 1898. Så per 1905 er det kun 6 levende barn igjen

I artikkelen fra avisen står det at Anne Dorthea har 7 levende barn og 2 av dem var i Amerika.
Dette kan være en skrivefeil eller to. Jeg vet at Ole dro til Amerika og jeg tror at Caroline Johansdatter (f. 23 oktober 1852) kan ha reist til Amerika. De andre barna ble i Norge.
Artikkelen kan ha ment at av hennes 7 barn dro 2 til Amerika. Siden Ole dør i 1898, så er det 6 gjenlevende i 1905/1916 hvorav 1 barn er i USA. Dette barnet kan derfor være Caroline.

Får lete videre etter henne i USA. Følger henne videre opp i et eget innlegg.

hilsen
Jan
 

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Patty,

Here's the link.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... 3AMM27-1XC


regards
Jan

 

[gj06100]

Hei igjen!
This is Ole and Andrea's son Robert (b. 1896) who died 1969
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189 ... g_-johnson

There is an obituary for Robert at the FAG site

WW 1 draft record for Robert (1917)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K878-893

This was Robert's birth record (even if he was not given a first name yet!)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRK6-8PX

1920 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFL9-F29

1930
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9SN-6C3

1940 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7JD-976

mvh
Patty

[gj14114]

Hi Patty,

Andrea Peters. Left Oslo (Kristiania) on 15. September 1882 on the ship named Angelo.
She's born in Kragerø far away from Aurskog where Ole came from.

They might met on the ship and fell in love.

Maybe the immigration protocol will show their status and background.


regards
Jan Braathen

Pass. list from that time did not comprise of much information. You'll likely find name, age, occupation, origin (which often was wrong) and destination (which often was inadequate).

This is the case for the Ole Johansen you've found emigrated 15.9.1882 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000976308

He arrived in New York 2nd October 1882, ship Germanic. He had first travelled to Hull, then to Liverpool, then onto corresponding ship Germanic, left Liverpool 21. september 1882.

The Wilson Line - Angelo - http://www.norwayheritage.com/p_route.asp?ro=W21
Corresponding Ships - http://www.norwayheritage.com/t_corresp.asp?id=1295

You can find Ole Johansen as # 218 in the pass. list arrival - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27TC-BWD

Above his name you can find Andrea Pedersen.

I enclose links to her emigr. as well as arrival (transcribed as Anna).

Emigr. - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000976177

Immigr. - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27TC-BW8

[gj14114]

Patty & Jan,

you may have found the correct Ole, however to be sure, US marriage & naturalization documents should be located. In addition, and perhaps most importantly, Ole Johansen's Out-migration should be located in Norwegian church books.

That said, if you look at 1900 census, enumerated 5th June 1900, age of the oldest child, John J is 18 in the transcribed version. The original shows age 17, born August 1882, and since it was enumerated in June that would be correct. If he was born in 1883, then he would have been 16yo in June 1900. So verifying John J's exact birth date is of importance, because; if he was born in August 1882, then he was born before Ole Johansen and Andrea arrived in US.

[gj14114]

An OBIT for Ole Johnson as well as a notice of the date/time of his funeral found in The Journal Times, Racine, Wisconsin, 27 Apr 1898, Wed • Page 1 & The Journal Times, Racine, Wisconsin 28 Apr 1898, Thu • Page 5. Finally a small notice regarding the Wergeland Society, (Ole Johnson was a member) in The Journal Times, Racine, Wisconsin, 27 Apr 1898, Wed • Page 5.

Address in the OBIT was 1201 La Salle Street, where his widow and 2 children lived 1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPVM-FQV

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5147121 ... e-johnson/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5147201 ... e-johnson/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5147271 ... d-society/

The OBIT also states 5 children.

[Jan Braathen]

Takk Patty og Egil.

Masse ny informasjon. Do you know when Andrea died?

hilsen
Jan
 

[gj06100]

Hello!
This is all about Mound Cemetery in Racine WI were Ole Johnson was buried in 1898.
https://unconventionalhistorian.com/2018/10/05/119/

The cemetery has an interesting history!

So far I can not find info on the death of Andrea. I thought she might be
buried in the same cemetery as Ole.
Andrea must have been alive in 1917/1918 (?) when Robert signed up for the WW1 draft...she is mentioned in the draft record, as Robert's nearest relative.

mvh
Patty

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Patty,

I search after him there yesterday, but couldn't find him. I guess the grave is not there anymore.

What are the rules regarding graves in USA. Is it like in Norway, where you "have the rights for the grave" upto 20 years after the last one in the grave is buried. Then you can pay for an extended period. If nobody pays the "rent", then the cemetery can remove the grave and it's belonging if the space is needed.


regards
Jan
 

[gj06100]

Hei Jan
No we do not have the "20 year rule" like you have in Norway.
The ownership of the grave site, remains with the family who purchased the grave site.
The family pays money for the grave site. That is it....no rent is paid.

I should say, this is my experience with grave sites and burials....anyone can
feel free to correct me on their own experience with American grave sites.

Soldiers who were in active military, can receive a burial stone at no cost. (the stone is paid by the government)...Soldiers can be buried at no cost if they are buried in a Veterans cemetery.

I hope I answered your question.

mvh
Patty

[gj14114]

Patty & Jan,

you may have found the correct Ole, however to be sure, US marriage & naturalization documents should be located. In addition, and perhaps most importantly, Ole Johansen's Out-migration should be located in Norwegian church books.

Verken vielse, NAT eller utflytting fra Norge er funnet. Til tross for de nevnte manglende funn er det mye som peker mot at den Ole Johnson som er funnet er "din" Ole Johansen f. 1858. Mer om det i den neste posteringen, men først:

Egil skrev:
That said, if you look at 1900 census, enumerated 5th June 1900, age of the oldest child, John J is 18 in the transcribed version. The original shows age 17, born August 1882, and since it was enumerated in June that would be correct. If he was born in 1883, then he would have been 16yo in June 1900. So verifying John J's exact birth date is of importance, because; if he was born in August 1882, then he was born before Ole Johansen and Andrea arrived in US.

John J som jeg nevnte i FT 1900 (se over) het egentlig John Martinius (kalte seg senere for John Matthew) og ble f. 11. august 1883. F. sted var Stephenson, Menominee County, Michigan iht. WW 2 Draft Reg.

The U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: John Matthe Johnson
Gender: Male
Race: White
Residence Age: 59
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1883
Birth Place: Stevenson, Michigan, USA
Residence Date: 1942
Residence Place: Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Relationship to Draftee: Head
Military Draft Date: 1942

Dåpen hans (13. juli 1884) er registrert i Our Savior's Lutheran Church, Marinette i Marinette County, WI.

The U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Johan Martinus Johnson
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 11 Aug 1883
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1884
Baptism Place: Marinette, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Ole Johnson
Mother: Andrea Johnson
Church Name: Our Savior
Church Location: Marinette, Wisconsin

I KB er det en egen kolonne hvor det står Hvor Døpt. Der er det ført Stephenson. Mulig denne kolonnen er ment å beskrive fødested. Stephenson, MI er ikke langt fra Marinette, WI. EDIT: Jeg ser av KB at det står at innførslene i denne KB også dekker bl.a. Stephenson, Menominee, MI og da er det nok slik at han var DØPT (og sikkert født) i der.(SE KART).

I tillegg er det opplyst ved hans OBIT at han var født i Stephenson, MI.

OBIT The Journal Times (Racine, Wisconsin) 28 Jun 1948, Monday, Page 16 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5174172 ... k-johnson/

Han var 1. gang gift med Mary Hamacher og 2. gang med Eleanora Heimermann. Mary døde i 1934 og John finner du på samme gravsted som Mary.

John M. Johnson - FAG: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189 ... m_-johnson
BIRTH 1883
DEATH 1948
BURIAL
Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery
Caledonia, Racine County, Wisconsin, USA
PLOT Block 3

Mary Johnson - FAG: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/189 ... ry-johnson
BIRTH 1886
DEATH 1934
BURIAL
Holy Cross Catholic Cemetery
Caledonia, Racine County, Wisconsin, USA
PLOT Block 3

John og Mary giftet seg i 1906 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XRK2-7PC - John's foreldres fornavn er transkribert til Owen og Andrew

Du klarer sikkert selv å finne John og Mary, samt barna deres i FT fra 1910 i Racine, WI.

Tar til slutt med WW 1 Draft Reg. for John M. - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K878-8M4

[gj14114]

Verken vielse, NAT eller utflytting fra Norge er funnet. Til tross for de nevnte manglende funn er det mye som peker mot at den Ole Johnson som er funnet er "din" Ole Johansen f. 1858. Mer om det i den neste posteringen

Elmer eller Hjalmar ble født 21. februar 1885 og ved hans dåp er Ole's etternavn ført som Johannesen.

The U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Hjalmer Johannesen
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1885
Baptism Date: 30 Aug 1885
Baptism Place: Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Ole Johannesen
Mother: Andrea Johannesen
Church Name: Resurrection Lutheran
Church Location: Racine, Wisconsin

The U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8QR-XPG
Name: Elmer Johnson
Race: White
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1885
Street address: 473 N Chicago
Residence Place: Kenosha, Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
Relative: Matilda Johnson
Relative's Relationship: Wife

The U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
Name: Elmer Johnson
Gender: Male
Race: White
Residence Age: 57
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1885
Birth Place: Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Residence Date: 1942
Residence Place: Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
Relationship to Draftee: Head
Military Draft Date: 1942

Elmer døde i 1959.

Elmer Johnson - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/109927407
BIRTH 1885
DEATH 1959 (aged 73–74)
BURIAL
Saint George Cemetery
Kenosha, Kenosha County, Wisconsin, USA

Wisconsin Death Index, 1959-1997 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V89L-55P
Name: Elmer Johnson
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 22 May 1959
Event Place: Keno, , Wisconsin
Residence Place: , Wisconsin
Gender: Male
Age: 74

Elmer var også gift 2 ganger, les mer om det i hans OBIT - Kenosha News, Kenosha, Wisconsin, 22 May 1959, Fri • Page 8 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5174569 ... r-johnson/

[gj14114]

Også ved Robert's dåp var etternavnet til Ole ført som Johannesen.

The U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Robert Johannesen
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 3 May 1896
Baptism Date: 8 Aug 1896
Baptism Place: Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Ole Johannesen
Mother: Andrea Petersen
Church Name: Resurrection Lutheran
Church Location: Racine, Wisconsin

[gj14114]

So far I can not find info on the death of Andrea. I thought she might be
buried in the same cemetery as Ole.
Andrea must have been alive in 1917/1918 (?) when Robert signed up for the WW1 draft...she is mentioned in the draft record, as Robert's nearest relative.

mvh
Patty

Andrea døde i 1931.

Anna Johnson - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/179856981
BIRTH 21 Oct 1853
DEATH 17 Apr 1931 (aged 77)
BURIAL
Graceland Cemetery
Racine, Racine County, Wisconsin, USA
PLOT Section 6

OBIT - The Journal Times, Racine, Wisconsin, 18 Apr 1931, Sat • Page 2 - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5174629 ... a-johnson/

Andrea var forøvrig døpt Kirsten Andrea, f. 21. november 1853 i Kragerø - nr. 21 - Telemark fylke, Kragerø i Kragerø, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1847-1861), Fødte og døpte 1854, Side 48, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051007030395

Samme nr. i Kl. bok - Telemark fylke, Kragerø i Kragerø, Klokkerbok nr. 4 (1853-1865), Fødte og døpte 1854, Side 13, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061204030536

Både faren, Marthinius og flere av søsknene hennes reiste til USA. Den eneste gjenlevende ved hennes død i 1931 var broren Sigvald (Sigward) som var nevnt i OBIT'en hennes.

Andrea (Anna) i FT 1920 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFL9-4ZF

Legger også ved FT 1865 og 1875 (Kragerø).
1865 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/pe ... 8126002373
1875 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/pe ... 2158001386

Broren Jens Martinius emigrasjon - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000961124
Faren Martinius emigrasjon - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000961130

Begge skulle til Racine, WI.

[gj06100]

UFF DA..
Egil...
I found a record of the naturalization of an Ole Johnson in Marinette,wi a few days ago.
I ignored it because I thought it was the wrong Ole.

NOW I do not have that info...I think the actual papers were done in the Northern
District of Illinois (??)...I'm a little unsure now of what I found...

I'll try and find it again...
CAN you find this record of Ole's naturalization

mvh
Patty

[gj14114]

UFF DA..
Egil...
I found a record of the naturalization of an Ole Johnson in Marinette,wi a few days ago.
I ignored it because I thought it was the wrong Ole.

NOW I do not have that info...I think the actual papers were done in the Northern
District of Illinois (??)...I'm a little unsure now of what I found...

I'll try and find it again...
CAN you find this record of Ole's naturalization

mvh
Patty

It's NOT the naturalization itself, it's Soundex Index to Naturalization Petitions for the United States District and Circuit Courts Northern District of Illinois and Immigration and Naturalization Service District 9, 1840-1950

The U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992
Name: Ole Johnson
Birth Date: abt 1858
Birth Place: Norway
Age at event: 27
Court District: Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, Iowa
Date of Action: 11 Jun 1885

As you can see from the original, Certificate Issued June 11 1885, Circuit Court, Marinette County, WI.

[gj14114]

Ole og Andrea fikk også en sønn i 1887 (d. før 1900 - har ikke lett etter hans dødsfall).

The U.S., Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Church Records, 1781-1969
Name: Albert Johnson
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 14 Jul 1887
Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1887
Baptism Place: Racine, Wisconsin, USA
Father: Ole Johnson
Mother: Andrea Johnson
Church Name: Resurrection Lutheran
Church Location: Racine, Wisconsin

[gj06100]

So Egil,
Based on John's birth and baptism(August 1883)...do you think this Ole Johnson (who died 1898) is the right Ole?

mvh
Patty

[gj14114]

So Egil,
Based on John's birth and baptism(August 1883)...do you think this Ole Johnson (who died 1898) is the right Ole?

mvh
Patty

As I wrote (in Norwegian) in previous posts, there's "circumstantial" evidence suggesting this is the right Ole, ie. the fact he is referred to as Ole Johannesen in both Robert and Hjalmar's baptism. This in addition to former findings; parent's name likeness at his death, emigration (name, age and residence). However, if it was me, I would not conclude until I had found solid proof, ie. NAT, Marriage and Out-migration in Norwegian Church books. Hopefully some of these records can prove the right Ole.

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Egil,

Thanks for your feedback. A lot of new information.

One thing I'm unsure about is what you found out about Andrea (Anna).

If her name was Andrea (Anna) Petersen (Pedersen/Petersdatter/Pedersdatter), her father should be named Peder/Peter.

You suggested Kristin Andrea which has a father called Marthinius. That doesn't fit in my mind.

I found Andrea Petersen b. 12. March 1854 in Kragerø (baptized 14. May 1854 Sannidal kirke (Kragerø), father Peder Pedersen and mother Gunhild Haraldsdatter.


regards
Jan
 

[gj25675]

Ved innreise til USA var det ikke uvanlig å ta farens etternavn, etter amerikansk tradisjon. Andrea Martinusdatter kunne da gjerne bli Andrea Petersen, når hennes far var Martinus Petersen

[gj14114]

Hvis du ser i FT 1865 - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/pe ... 8126002368 så ser du at alle barna hadde etternavnet Pettersen. Det var mer vanlig med faste slektsnavn i byene (enn landsbygda) - se forøvrig; https://slektogdata.no/nb/historisk-utv ... -stedsnavn

"Bruk av slektsnavn ble i enkelte strøk av landet innført tidlig på 1800-tallet; men de skjedde skrittvis, først i byene, og i de strøk av landet som hadde mest kontakt med Europa, seinere i rurale strøk i innlandet og langs kysten. " - https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_ove ... _etternavn

[Jan Braathen]

Hei Matthias,

Jeg var kanskje litt for rask i slutningene. I nekrologen til "Anna" stemmer alt med barna og mann. Jeg trodde at patronym ble brukt ut nesten hele 1800 tallet.

Jeg tok feil og må følge dette opp.

Igjen TAKK til Egil og Mathias.

Lett å gå seg vill og ha skylapper på.

hilsen
Jan
 

[Jan Braathen]

Hi Egil,

Thanks for your feedback. A lot of new information.

One thing I'm unsure about is what you found out about Andrea (Anna).

If her name was Andrea (Anna) Petersen (Pedersen/Petersdatter/Pedersdatter), her father should be named Peder/Peter.

You suggested Kristin Andrea which has a father called Marthinius. That doesn't fit in my mind.

I found Andrea Petersen b. 12. March 1854 in Kragerø (baptized 14. May 1854 Sannidal kirke (Kragerø), father Peder Pedersen and mother Gunhild Haraldsdatter.


regards
Jan
 

[gj14114]

Den eneste gjenlevende ved hennes død i 1931 var broren Sigvald (Sigward) som var nevnt i OBIT'en hennes.

Han fant jeg ikke emigrasjonsprot., men jeg ser av FT 1875 at han var sjømann - https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/pe ... 2158003726

Han var født 19.november 1850 - nr. 48 - Telemark fylke, Kragerø i Kragerø, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1847-1861), Fødte og døpte 1851, Side 24, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20051007030371

Så jeg slo opp i Kragerø innrulleringskontor og fant ham i hovedrullen - nr. 700 - og der står det at han rømte i 1881 (Wilmington, North Carolina?).
Telemark fylke, Hovedrulle nr. 2 (1868-1871), Protokollside, Side 354, Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/ru20090428640354

[Jan Braathen]

Hei igjen,

I nekrologen til Anna (Andrea) står det at hun var født 21. oktober 1853.
I kirkebøkene (Mag og Klo) står det 21. november 1853. I nekrologen ramses det opp kjente navn, så hun er nok ret persont. Siden det er en mulig feilkilde her, så skal jeg vel stole på kirkebøkene?

hilsen
Jan
 

[gj14114]

Hei igjen,

I nekrologen til Anna (Andrea) står det at hun var født 21. oktober 1853.
I kirkebøkene (Mag og Klo) står det 21. november 1853. I nekrologen ramses det opp kjente navn, så hun er nok ret persont. Siden det er en mulig feilkilde her, så skal jeg vel stole på kirkebøkene?

hilsen
Jan Braathen

Ja, det er rett dame. Det ser du av barna som er nevnt; John, Robert, Elmer og datteren Mrs. Nelson (Olga, hun var gift med Harry Nelson, hun var nevnt som Mrs. Harry Nelson i John sin OBIT). Så er det nevnt en bror, Sigward (Sigvald) Peterson.

Du skal stole på KB (kirkebøker), selv om disse også kan inneholde feil. Vær oppmerksom på at folk dengang ikke hadde like stor kontroll på eksakt f. dato.