Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

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Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj16333 » 20 okt 2012 13:47:41

The marriage of my GGGGrandmother's brother Johan Nielsen on 24 Jun 1831 at Aker is here:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 020128.jpg

the sixth entry down.

He worked in a paper mill but could I have help on the proper translation of his occupation please? I would also like to know what is the word that looks like Mollen or Molsen in front of his father Peder Nielsen's name if somebody could help with that also.

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Darryl
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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av dn18527 » 20 okt 2012 14:55:33

Ungkarl Bachelor Johan Frederic Nielsen arbeider (worker)ved ? papirmølle (papermill).
His father møller not Mollen!, miller Niels Pedersen
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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj16333 » 21 okt 2012 09:45:04

Thank you very much Tove for the translation.

I wonder if he was a miller of flour or also worked in the paper mill? I guess that is one of those facts that will never be able to be proved.

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Legg inn av dn18527 » 21 okt 2012 10:49:15

You are welcome! :D
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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj16333 » 22 okt 2012 01:55:37

Hello again Tove, I have found the Best Mans Statement for the marriage of Johan Frederich Nielsen here:

http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1 ... 030565.jpg

right hand page at the top.

I can see that his parents were Niels Pedersen and Inger Michelsdatter and his birth and confirmation dates, all of which I know. It says that Niels was a miller too which is good! Not sure of the word in front of moller though. I can also read that both his best men worked in a paper mill.

Would you be kind enough to have a look at all the words and the dates after Johan's confirmation date in 1821 and tell me what they mean?

Also, the minister has put an NB note at the bottom of the statement, would you have any idea what that means?

Din hjelp er verdsatt veldig mye

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Darryl

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Legg inn av dn18527 » 22 okt 2012 10:46:12

Sorry, this is too difficult to me. :?
But you can ask here where the experts are.
If you can, use the permanent sidelenke.
https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/viewforum.php?f=2352
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Legg inn av gj16333 » 22 okt 2012 12:03:02

If it is to hard for you Tove, I have no chance :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you for suggesting where I may get some more help. I will put my question up there.

Regards from Sydney where it should be 30+ degrees but its raining :cry:

takk for hjelpen

Darryl

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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj05668 » 22 okt 2012 12:56:33

My english is not very good, but I'll try.

The letters 'Sl' before Møller is short for 'Salig' wich means that the person is dead.

... Confirm(ert) 29 April 1821, har siden tjent som Soldat fra 25 febr 1825 til 24 febr 1830 ifølge Pas??? av Spørch og nu i Friderikstad sidste g(ang) 6 Decbr 1829 ifølge Tandbergs Paategn(ing) af 25de Febr 1830 Har haft de naturlige Kopper.

In english:
.... confirmed 29th of april 1821. Has later served as a soldier from 25th of february 1825 to 24th of february 1830 according ????? af Spørch, last time in Fredrikstad 6th of december 1829 according to remark of Tandberg. He has had natural smallpocken.


Hun er født af Sl Lars Christians. og ???? Andersdtr i Saugan døbt 26de Marts 1797 og konfirm(ert) 6te Octbr 1811 samt har siden stedse været her. Haft de naturl Kopper i f. (i følge) A. Olsens(?) att. af 20de junii. D.A.


In english:
She is born of late Lars Christiansen and ???? Anderdatter in Saugan. Baptized 26th of Marts 1797 and confirmed 6th of october 1811 and has stayed here since then. Has had natural smallpocken according to certificate of 20th of june. D.A.

??? forlangt til 15de, 22de og 29de Maii
Agger ???? d. 9 Maji 1831
Andreas Evensen, Anders ????

NB Kautionistene har siden skriftligen forsikret at de ville innestaa for, at hand ei andresteds er bunde af noget Ægteskabsløfte hvilked skriftlig(?) forsikring(?) er dat. 21de Junii. D.A.

In english:
NB The Bailers have later in writing assured that they vould vouch for, that he nowhere other places is tied by promise of marriage, which in writing is dated 21st of june. D.A.


I suppose the letters 'D.A.' is the signature of the Vicar.

There were some words that I was not able to reed, and - of course - not able to translate either.

with regards

Paul

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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av dn28504 » 22 okt 2012 13:11:05

Hi!

I read Randi as the name of the mother of the bride :)
Might be mistaken though...
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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj05668 » 22 okt 2012 13:21:07

Kristine skrev:Hi!

I read Randi as the name of the mother of the bride :)
Might be mistaken though...


I think you are right, Kristine :P


Mvh Paul

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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj16333 » 22 okt 2012 13:27:03

Thank you very much Paul and Kristine, what you have translated for me has been very helpful. I did not know that he was a soldier as all the information on him from baptisms and census was that he worked in a paper mill, probably Bentse in Saugene.

Each little bit of information is helpful, one bit here very much so. I did not have a death for Johan's father Nils Pedersen but you have been able to tell me that he was dead when Johan was married. I can now search a much smaller range of burial dates as Nils' last child was baptised in 1808. With a death date I can hopefully find a probate for Nils which will tell me a little bit more about him.

Thank you again so much for your help, it is very much appreciated

kind regards

Darryl

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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj03896 » 22 okt 2012 13:42:39

You will find the complete text (in Norwegian) here:
https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... p?t=110262

Important notes:

d. A. means dette Aar (this year)

The parents of both the bride and the groom migth be alive at the time of the wedding. Nothing in this text indicates that they were dead.

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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj05668 » 22 okt 2012 13:50:12

I have seen the answer Else B has given here: https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... p?t=110262

According to her (She is unbeatable) :P It stands 'Fl' and not 'Sl' pefore the parents names. That is short for 'parents' so they might still be alive.

Otherwise I think most of the text is the same as I red it.

M. p. P. after Anders Østensens name stand for ' med påholden Pen' wich mean that he was not able to write his name.
d. A. means 'this year' and was not the initials of the Vicar.

With regards

Paul

Oh, well - two answers are better than none. :lol:

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Re: Marriage of Johan Fredrich Nielsen Aker 1831

Legg inn av gj16333 » 22 okt 2012 22:51:15

Paul and Else, you are both champions, I have just written about how I appreciate the help from everybody here:

https://slektsforum.slektogdata.no/view ... p?t=109947



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Darryl

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