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Leo van de Pas

Who is right = Faris = Gary Boyd Roberts = Douglas Richardso

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 31 okt 2004 07:11:01

In 1993
Gary Boyd Roberts publishes his 500 Immigrants
on page 287 we have
Elizabeth Sergeaux married to a Sir William Marney
daughter Emma Marney marries Sir Thomas Tyrrell

In 1996
David Faris publishes the 1st Edition of Plantagent Ancestry
on page 146 we have
Elizabeth Cergeaux marry Sir William de Marney--above Sergeaux and Marney without de
daughter Anne de Marney marries Sir Thomas Tyrrell------Anne not Emma and de Marney

in 2004
Gary Boyd Roberts publishes his 600 immigrants
on page 363
Elizabeth Sergeux married to Sir William Marney
daughter Emma Marney married Sir Thomas Tyrrell

in 2004
Douglas Richardson publishes Plantagenet Ancestry
on page 38
Elizabeth Sergeux marries Sir William Marney
daughter Anne Marney marries Sir Thomas Tyrrell

Douglas Richardson agrees with Gary Boyd Robert in case of the Sergeux surname
but with David Faris he agrees that the first name of the daughter is Anne not Emma........
and then is it Marney or de Marney????

Can anyone enlighten?
Many thanks
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

Doug Thompson

Re: Who is right = Faris = Gary Boyd Roberts = Douglas Richa

Legg inn av Doug Thompson » 31 okt 2004 12:41:02

None of them!

William's father, is referred to as "Robert Marny" in the Patent Rolls,
April 1353 and "William Marny" himself in Nov 1410.

So I think you can dispense with the "de" - and also with the "e" in Marney!

Doug Thompson

Douglas Richardson

Re: Who is right = Faris = Gary Boyd Roberts = Douglas Richa

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 31 okt 2004 20:41:01

Doug Thompson <doug.thompson@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<BDAA7F86.50CDB%doug.thompson@virgin.net>...
None of them!

William's father, is referred to as "Robert Marny" in the Patent Rolls,
April 1353 and "William Marny" himself in Nov 1410.

So I think you can dispense with the "de" - and also with the "e" in Marney!

Doug Thompson

Dear Doug ~

If you go to Professor G.R. Boynton's helpful online website for
Patent Rolls (http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/), you can
find Sir William Marney's name spelled "William Marney 'chivaler' " on
a commission of array dated 1403 [Reference: Calendar of Patent Rolls,
1401-1405, pg. 291]. So, the spelling "Marney" is definitely
contemporary with this time period.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Doug Thompson

Re: Who is right = Faris = Gary Boyd Roberts = Douglas Richa

Legg inn av Doug Thompson » 31 okt 2004 21:01:02

in article 2619efc9.0410311137.4f93aec7@posting.google.com, Douglas
Richardson at douglasrichardson@royalancestry.net wrote on 31/10/04 7:37 pm:

Dear Doug ~

If you go to Professor G.R. Boynton's helpful online website for
Patent Rolls (http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/), you can
find Sir William Marney's name spelled "William Marney 'chivaler' " on
a commission of array dated 1403 [Reference: Calendar of Patent Rolls,
1401-1405, pg. 291]. So, the spelling "Marney" is definitely
contemporary with this time period.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Douglas

In the text of the on-line volumes "Marny" occurs 60 times. "Marney" just
the once (the one you found).

Obviously you can make a personal choice what you call him but Marny seems
to be the most common contemporary usage.

Doug

Leo van de Pas

Re: Who is right = Faris = Gary Boyd Roberts = Douglas Richa

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 31 okt 2004 21:31:03

Dear Doug,
I was glad to see that Douglas Richardson spotted this line-----pity he did
not comment on the other question----is it Emma or Anne?
Thanks for your information, much appreciated.
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Thompson" <doug.thompson@virgin.net>
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Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:51 AM
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in article 2619efc9.0410311137.4f93aec7@posting.google.com, Douglas
Richardson at douglasrichardson@royalancestry.net wrote on 31/10/04 7:37
pm:

Dear Doug ~

If you go to Professor G.R. Boynton's helpful online website for
Patent Rolls (http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/), you can
find Sir William Marney's name spelled "William Marney 'chivaler' " on
a commission of array dated 1403 [Reference: Calendar of Patent Rolls,
1401-1405, pg. 291]. So, the spelling "Marney" is definitely
contemporary with this time period.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Douglas

In the text of the on-line volumes "Marny" occurs 60 times. "Marney" just
the once (the one you found).

Obviously you can make a personal choice what you call him but Marny seems
to be the most common contemporary usage.

Doug


Leo van de Pas

Who is right Doug Thompson or Douglas Richardson was Re: Who

Legg inn av Leo van de Pas » 31 okt 2004 22:31:02

Dear Doug,

Spellings for the same name can vary, which is a pain. However, if you have
seen it spelled as Marny so many times more than Marney, that is a good
indication.

I looked in CP Volume VIII Page 523
There you find the Barons Marny. The heading shows Marny or Marney but
everywhere in that article the spelling Marny is used. I think I will change
my Marneys.

Pity Douglas Richardson did not comment on the Emma or Anne discrepancy.
Again many thanks.
Leo van de Pas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Thompson" <doug.thompson@virgin.net>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: Who is right = Faris = Gary Boyd Roberts = Douglas Richardson


in article 2619efc9.0410311137.4f93aec7@posting.google.com, Douglas
Richardson at douglasrichardson@royalancestry.net wrote on 31/10/04 7:37
pm:

Dear Doug ~

If you go to Professor G.R. Boynton's helpful online website for
Patent Rolls (http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/), you can
find Sir William Marney's name spelled "William Marney 'chivaler' " on
a commission of array dated 1403 [Reference: Calendar of Patent Rolls,
1401-1405, pg. 291]. So, the spelling "Marney" is definitely
contemporary with this time period.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Douglas

In the text of the on-line volumes "Marny" occurs 60 times. "Marney" just
the once (the one you found).

Obviously you can make a personal choice what you call him but Marny seems
to be the most common contemporary usage.

Doug


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