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Brea d’Albane/Breadalbane

Legg inn av David » 30 okt 2004 04:50:26

The following comes from "The Great Feud, the Campbells & the Macdonalds," by Oliver
Thomson, 2000, Sutton Publishing

Grey John Campbell of Glenorchy (1635-1717) described as “cunning like a fox, wise as a
snake and slippery as an eel,” turned land acquisition into an art form. He bought up IOU’
s of less provident landowners then foreclosed on the debts and took over the property at
bargain prices. In this way he bought up the estates of the Earl of Cathiness upon who’s
death, John, a mere baronet, declared himself Earl of Caithness and for good measure
Viscount Breadalbane and Lord sinclair. However, in 1680 King Charles II, who disliked
subjects who awarded themselves titles, cancelled all three of Grey John’s but compromised
by creating a new one: Earl Breadalbane and Holland (perhaps some consolation for John –
his wife Mary Holland had died some years before and their eldest son was mentally
retarded).

Another source gave the title as "Brea d’Albane," which appears to be Bredalband as
written in French.

D'Albane is apparently "of Alba or Albany" the ancient name for the kingdom which evolved
into Scotland, however, I cannot figure out what might be meant by "Brea"

Can anyone tell me what is meant by "Brea" and if I understand correctly the "d'Albane"
portion?



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David Rorer

Anax

Re: Brea d’Albane/Breadalbane

Legg inn av Anax » 30 okt 2004 06:48:38

In article <2kDgd.4993$b%5.2229@fe37.usenetserver.com>, David
<drorer@fuse.net> wrote:

The following comes from "The Great Feud, the Campbells & the Macdonalds," by
Oliver
Thomson, 2000, Sutton Publishing

Grey John Campbell of Glenorchy (1635-1717) described as “cunning like a fox,
wise as a
snake and slippery as an eel,” turned land acquisition into an art form. He
bought up IOU’
s of less provident landowners then foreclosed on the debts and took over the
property at
bargain prices. In this way he bought up the estates of the Earl of Cathiness
upon who’s
death, John, a mere baronet, declared himself Earl of Caithness and for good
measure
Viscount Breadalbane and Lord sinclair. However, in 1680 King Charles II, who
disliked
subjects who awarded themselves titles, cancelled all three of Grey John’s
but compromised
by creating a new one: Earl Breadalbane and Holland (perhaps some consolation
for John –
his wife Mary Holland had died some years before and their eldest son was
mentally
retarded).

Another source gave the title as "Brea d’Albane," which appears to be
Bredalband as
written in French.

D'Albane is apparently "of Alba or Albany" the ancient name for the kingdom
which evolved
into Scotland, however, I cannot figure out what might be meant by "Brea"

Can anyone tell me what is meant by "Brea" and if I understand correctly the "d'Albane"
portion?

Perhaps my copy of a 1715 British Isles map holds a clue. A piece of
central Scotland is labeled *Broad Albain*, suggesting the original
meaning might have been a "broad" part of the country. While that's as
good as I can do right now, it may be incorrect.

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James Dempster

Re: Brea d’Albane/Breadalbane

Legg inn av James Dempster » 30 okt 2004 07:38:33

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:50:26 -0400, "David" <drorer@fuse.net> wrote:

D'Albane is apparently "of Alba or Albany" the ancient name for the kingdom which evolved
into Scotland, however, I cannot figure out what might be meant by "Brea"

Can anyone tell me what is meant by "Brea" and if I understand correctly the "d'Albane"
portion?

Brea is an unusual but known form of Brae meaning specifically the
brow of a hill or more generally hills or high ground adjoining a
river.

Your deductions on the origins of the Albany bit is correct.

An excellent on-line source for Scots is the Dictionary of the Scots
Language at http://www.dsl.ac.uk/dsl/

James
James Dempster (remove nospam to reply by email)

You know you've had a good night
when you wake up
and someone's outlining you in chalk.

Guy Power

Re: Brea d?Albane/Breadalbane

Legg inn av Guy Power » 30 okt 2004 09:15:25

"David" <drorer@fuse.net> wrote in message news:<2kDgd.4993$b%5.2229@fe37.usenetserver.com>...

Can anyone tell me what is meant by "Brea" and if I understand correctly >the "d'Albane" portion?

Brea: heights. Breadalbane: Heights of Scotland.

Regards,
Guy2

David

Re: Brea d'Albane/Breadalbane

Legg inn av David » 30 okt 2004 22:30:43

Thanks to those who replied and helped answer this question.
David Rorer

"David" <drorer@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:2kDgd.4993$b%5.2229@fe37.usenetserver.com...
The following comes from "The Great Feud, the Campbells & the Macdonalds," by Oliver
Thomson, 2000, Sutton Publishing

Grey John Campbell of Glenorchy (1635-1717) described as "cunning like a fox, wise as a
snake and slippery as an eel," turned land acquisition into an art form. He bought up
IOU'
s of less provident landowners then foreclosed on the debts and took over the property
at
bargain prices. In this way he bought up the estates of the Earl of Cathiness upon who's
death, John, a mere baronet, declared himself Earl of Caithness and for good measure
Viscount Breadalbane and Lord sinclair. However, in 1680 King Charles II, who disliked
subjects who awarded themselves titles, cancelled all three of Grey John's but
compromised
by creating a new one: Earl Breadalbane and Holland (perhaps some consolation for John -
his wife Mary Holland had died some years before and their eldest son was mentally
retarded).

Another source gave the title as "Brea d'Albane," which appears to be Bredalband as
written in French.

D'Albane is apparently "of Alba or Albany" the ancient name for the kingdom which
evolved
into Scotland, however, I cannot figure out what might be meant by "Brea"

Can anyone tell me what is meant by "Brea" and if I understand correctly the "d'Albane"
portion?



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David Rorer



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