Many thanks for this, I am going to turn Gerberge into a NN.
I know you deal with primary sources but ES III/4 tafel 689
this shows Geoffrey I, 967 Vicomte de Chateaudun, died shortly after 986,
married Hildegarde (mentioned about 1020 ) died 14 April before 1023, sister
of Gerberge wife of Gilduin de Saumur
Now comes my question. Geoffroy I and Hildegarde are marked off with three
children,
1.Hugues I, Vicomte de Chateaudun, Archbishop of Tours (two illegitimate
sons)
2.Adalandus (Alo) Seigneur de Chinon
3.Albert, Abbott of Micy
then the family tree is continued without indicating how
nepos of Hugues Archbishop of Tours
Geoffroy II, Vicomte de Chateaudun, murdered before the Cathedral of
Chartres
he marries has two sons and the younger son continues the Chateaudun
family.
Do you know how Geoffroy II is descended from Geoffroy I?
With many thanks
Leo van de Pas
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From: "Stewart Baldwin" <sbaldw@mindspring.com>
To: <GEN-MEDIEVAL-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:24 AM
Subject: Gerberge, alleged mother of Conan I of Brittany
One of the matters left hanging in recent discussions of Juhel
Berengar of Rennes was the name Gerberge, given in a number of sources
(e.g., Anselme) as the name of the wife of Juhel Berengar of Rennes
and mother of Conan I. I recently examined a microfilm of Lobineau's
"Histoire de Bretagne" (2 vols., Paris, 1707), available at the Family
History Library in Salt Lake City, on films 865446 (history) and
865447 (documentary evidence), which supplies some additional
information on Gerberge. In vol. 1, page 81, we find a note (clearly
intending this Gerberge) which mentions a donation in the 25th year of
king Lothair in which are mentioned viscountess Gerberge, formerly
wife of Berengar and now wife of Gilduin, and her sister countess
Hildegarde. It is evident that this Berengar is being identified with
Juhel Berengar.
Looking around, I found more in two articles in the volume
Keats-Rohan, ed. "Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Boydell
Press, 1997), namely , in K.S.B. Keats-Rohan's article "'Un vassal
sans histoire'?: Count Hugh II (c.940/55-992) and the Origins of
Angevin Overlordship in Maine" (pp. 190-210), and in Christian
Settipani's article "Les comtes d'Anjou et leurs alliances aux Xe et
XIe siècles" (pp. 211-267). According to these articles, Gerberge was
the sister of Hildegarde, wife of Geoffrey I, viscount of Châteaudun,
and Gerberge was married first, to Berengar (of Doué, p. 202) and
second, to Gilduin of Saumur (pp. 202, 259) or Doué (p. 262 - an
error?). Keats-Rohan also states that "Hildegarde was apparently a
member of the much-discussed family of Adelard of Loches" and her
genealogical table on page 194 makes Hildegarde (with a question mark)
a granddaughter of count Hugh I of Maine.
If this attribution of Gerberge's first husband Berengar as "of Doué"
is correct (on which I would like to see more, but have no reason to
question), then the attempt to identify this Berengar with Juhel
Berengar of Rennes must be set aside, and the name of Juhel Berengar's
wife ought to be regarded as unknown.
Stewart Baldwin