David Lyell + Catharine Lorraine of New Jersey

Moderator: MOD_nyhetsgrupper

Svar
John Brandon

David Lyell + Catharine Lorraine of New Jersey

Legg inn av John Brandon » 19 okt 2004 23:12:33

Back in June, I posted on David Lyell of New Jersey, who married
Catharine Lorraine.
------

_The Historical Magazine_, vol. 8 (1864), p. 210:

DESCENDANTS OF JOHN FENWICK.---(Vol. VIII.p. 154)---There appears to
have been a close connexion between the families of "Lorraine," of
Northumberland, and "Fenwiche;" thus Sir Thomas Lorraine had a son
William, a daughter Catharine, and a son "Fenwich"; his son William
had a daughter Jane, who married "John Fenwiche," thought to be the
Major John Fenwich who was of Cromwell's army, and was on duty at the
execution of King Charles the First; and possibly, though I should
think not probably, the West Jersey proprietor in connexion with Penn,
who was I believe a royalist and courtier. Catharine above named as
daughter of Sir Thomas Lorraine, married (a runaway match I believe)
_David Lyell_, an artizan of London, and they came to this country and
settled at Amboy [New Jersey]; they had a son "Fenwiche Lyell" (died
in 1742), he left a son Fenwich Lyell; the name of both Fenwich and
Lyell, however, I think is now extinct in that line; there are
descendants from him of the name of _Micheau_ in New Jersey; this is
all I know. I should like to club my slender stock with your
querist's for common benefit. ASHER TAYLOR.

No. 37 WALL STREET.
* * * * * * *

vol. 8 (1864), p. 400,

DESCENDANTS OF JOHN FENWICK (VOL. VIII. p. 210).---Your correspondent
(who, by the way, does not answer my query) says that there appears to
be a close connexion between the families of Lorraine of
Northumberland, and Fenwick. I can state exactly what that connexion
was. Grace, daughter of ____ Lorrain, Esq., was the second wife of
Sir John Fenwick, Bart. He was born in 1579, made baronet 9th of June
1628. Their children were William, Alan, and Grace.
* * * * * * *

It's unclear why the first writer insists on spelling "Fenwick"
"Fenwich," but there is tantalizing evidence for the Lorraine-Lyell
marriage:

1. The IGI contains an extracted marriage record, 18 Feb. 1695 at St.
Martin in the Fields, Westminster, for the marriage of David Lyell and
Catharin Lorain.

2. William Nelson, ed., _Calendar of Records in the Office of the
[New Jersey] Secretary of State, 1664-1703_ [vol. 21 of the series,
_Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New
Jersey_], p. 145:

[East Jersey Deeds, Etc., Liber C] 1701 Oct. 1. Deed. David Lyell
of N.Y. City, goldsmith, and wife Katherine to John Ireland of Perth
Amboy, yeoman, for 300 acres at Ararat, Middlesex Co., N. Rariton R.,
W. Andrew Gallaway and Wm. Gerrard, S. and E. unappropriated land,
under conveyance from Ambrose Rigg of Gatton Place, Surrey Place,
Surrey Co., England, owner of 1-12 share of the Province, to Thomas
Robinson of Brant Braughton, Lincoln Co. [England], of 1-48 share,
October 23-24, 1682, the confirmation to said Robinson of April 16,
1687, the conveyance of the 1-48 share to Andrew Hamilton of
Edinburgh, September 9-10, 1687, the bequest thereof by said Hamilton
to Doctor Andrew Hamilton of Edinburgh, who by will of January 21,
1696-7, bequeathed it to George Clarke of St. Martin's Parish in the
Fields, Middlesex Co., tailor, from whom present grantor acquired it
April 27-28, 1697.

So the New Jersey couple certainly had ties to the parish of St.
Martin in the Fields, Westminster.

3. William Nelson, ed., _Calender of New Jersey Wills, Vol. 1.
1670-1730_ [vol. 23 of the series, _Documents Relating to the Colonial
History of the State of New Jersey_], p. 300,

1725-6 Jan. 23. Lyell, David, of Monmouth Co.; will of. Wife
Catherine. Children--David, Catherine, Fenwick, William, Jane,
Robert, Mary. Real and personal estate. Executors--the wife, sons
David and Fenwick and dau. Catherine. Witnesses--Wal. Wall, Robert
Mitchell, John Smith. Proved November 8, 1726.
Lib. B, p. 17.

It might be interesting to follow up on these clues, as Asher Taylor
stated there were descendants of this couple in the "Micheau" family.
--------

I've noticed another item that relates to all this. _Proceedings of
the American Antiquarian Society_, n.s., vol. 52 (1942), p. 133
(description of a portrait):

No. 31 DAVID LYELL

SUBJECT: David Lyell, a goldsmith by trade, of
St.-Martins-in-the-fields, London, became a proprietor of New Jersey
in April, 1697, by the purchase of a forty-eighth part from Andrew
Hamilton. He lived in New York during the years 1701-1703 but in
Amboy for most of his life here, and in Monmouth County at the time of
his death. His home was on the shore of the harbor near the Episcopal
Church; he was a member of the Council, 1719-1723, under Governor
William Burnett, and died in 1726.
INSCRIBED: On back in John Watson's handwriting: 'Mr. Lyell.'
SIZE: 3 2/16 X 2 1/2.
OWNERSHIP: Same as that under William Eier, No. 28, into the
ownership of W. A. Whitehead. Interleaved between pp. 84 and 85 of
Mr. Whitehead's annotated copy of _The Early History of Perth Amboy._
Purchased from his granddaughters by the writer and presented to the
Yale University Art Gallery in October of 1942.
REMARKS: A correction noted by Whitehead states that Mrs.
Lyell's name was Catherine and not Sarah.

The gravestones listed below apparently relate to descendants ...

--"Fenwick Lyell, died December 20, 1822, age 55 years."
--"John Lyell, died October 24, 1811, age 42 years."
--"Eleanor, wife of Capt. Fenwick Lyell and daughter of Edward and
Mary Taylor, died December 30, 1794, age 57 years, 4 days."
--"Ellenor Lyell, died July 18, 1818, age 1 year, 2 months, 19 days."
--"Mary, wife of Benjamin Micheau, died May 17, 1822, age 63 years, 11
months, 14 days."
--"West, Mary Lyell Micheau (wife of John West) ~~ Dec. 29, 1839 -
Mar. 15, 1908"
--"West, Mary Lyell ~~ 1881 - 1960"


http://distantcousin.com/cemetery/nj/mo ... /West.html

http://tinyurl.com/5y9gj

Douglas Richardson

Re: David Lyell + Catharine Lorraine of New Jersey

Legg inn av Douglas Richardson » 20 okt 2004 06:40:02

Nice work, John. Thanks for sharing your latest findings with us.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

starbuck95@hotmail.com (John Brandon) wrote in message news:<942d5b80.0410191312.4fbc7b33@posting.google.com>...
Back in June, I posted on David Lyell of New Jersey, who married
Catharine Lorraine.
------

_The Historical Magazine_, vol. 8 (1864), p. 210:

DESCENDANTS OF JOHN FENWICK.---(Vol. VIII.p. 154)---There appears to
have been a close connexion between the families of "Lorraine," of
Northumberland, and "Fenwiche;" thus Sir Thomas Lorraine had a son
William, a daughter Catharine, and a son "Fenwich"; his son William
had a daughter Jane, who married "John Fenwiche," thought to be the
Major John Fenwich who was of Cromwell's army, and was on duty at the
execution of King Charles the First; and possibly, though I should
think not probably, the West Jersey proprietor in connexion with Penn,
who was I believe a royalist and courtier. Catharine above named as
daughter of Sir Thomas Lorraine, married (a runaway match I believe)
_David Lyell_, an artizan of London, and they came to this country and
settled at Amboy [New Jersey]; they had a son "Fenwiche Lyell" (died
in 1742), he left a son Fenwich Lyell; the name of both Fenwich and
Lyell, however, I think is now extinct in that line; there are
descendants from him of the name of _Micheau_ in New Jersey; this is
all I know. I should like to club my slender stock with your
querist's for common benefit. ASHER TAYLOR.

No. 37 WALL STREET.
* * * * * * *

vol. 8 (1864), p. 400,

DESCENDANTS OF JOHN FENWICK (VOL. VIII. p. 210).---Your correspondent
(who, by the way, does not answer my query) says that there appears to
be a close connexion between the families of Lorraine of
Northumberland, and Fenwick. I can state exactly what that connexion
was. Grace, daughter of ____ Lorrain, Esq., was the second wife of
Sir John Fenwick, Bart. He was born in 1579, made baronet 9th of June
1628. Their children were William, Alan, and Grace.
* * * * * * *

It's unclear why the first writer insists on spelling "Fenwick"
"Fenwich," but there is tantalizing evidence for the Lorraine-Lyell
marriage:

1. The IGI contains an extracted marriage record, 18 Feb. 1695 at St.
Martin in the Fields, Westminster, for the marriage of David Lyell and
Catharin Lorain.

2. William Nelson, ed., _Calendar of Records in the Office of the
[New Jersey] Secretary of State, 1664-1703_ [vol. 21 of the series,
_Documents Relating to the Colonial History of the State of New
Jersey_], p. 145:

[East Jersey Deeds, Etc., Liber C] 1701 Oct. 1. Deed. David Lyell
of N.Y. City, goldsmith, and wife Katherine to John Ireland of Perth
Amboy, yeoman, for 300 acres at Ararat, Middlesex Co., N. Rariton R.,
W. Andrew Gallaway and Wm. Gerrard, S. and E. unappropriated land,
under conveyance from Ambrose Rigg of Gatton Place, Surrey Place,
Surrey Co., England, owner of 1-12 share of the Province, to Thomas
Robinson of Brant Braughton, Lincoln Co. [England], of 1-48 share,
October 23-24, 1682, the confirmation to said Robinson of April 16,
1687, the conveyance of the 1-48 share to Andrew Hamilton of
Edinburgh, September 9-10, 1687, the bequest thereof by said Hamilton
to Doctor Andrew Hamilton of Edinburgh, who by will of January 21,
1696-7, bequeathed it to George Clarke of St. Martin's Parish in the
Fields, Middlesex Co., tailor, from whom present grantor acquired it
April 27-28, 1697.

So the New Jersey couple certainly had ties to the parish of St.
Martin in the Fields, Westminster.

3. William Nelson, ed., _Calender of New Jersey Wills, Vol. 1.
1670-1730_ [vol. 23 of the series, _Documents Relating to the Colonial
History of the State of New Jersey_], p. 300,

1725-6 Jan. 23. Lyell, David, of Monmouth Co.; will of. Wife
Catherine. Children--David, Catherine, Fenwick, William, Jane,
Robert, Mary. Real and personal estate. Executors--the wife, sons
David and Fenwick and dau. Catherine. Witnesses--Wal. Wall, Robert
Mitchell, John Smith. Proved November 8, 1726.
Lib. B, p. 17.

It might be interesting to follow up on these clues, as Asher Taylor
stated there were descendants of this couple in the "Micheau" family.
--------

I've noticed another item that relates to all this. _Proceedings of
the American Antiquarian Society_, n.s., vol. 52 (1942), p. 133
(description of a portrait):

No. 31 DAVID LYELL

SUBJECT: David Lyell, a goldsmith by trade, of
St.-Martins-in-the-fields, London, became a proprietor of New Jersey
in April, 1697, by the purchase of a forty-eighth part from Andrew
Hamilton. He lived in New York during the years 1701-1703 but in
Amboy for most of his life here, and in Monmouth County at the time of
his death. His home was on the shore of the harbor near the Episcopal
Church; he was a member of the Council, 1719-1723, under Governor
William Burnett, and died in 1726.
INSCRIBED: On back in John Watson's handwriting: 'Mr. Lyell.'
SIZE: 3 2/16 X 2 1/2.
OWNERSHIP: Same as that under William Eier, No. 28, into the
ownership of W. A. Whitehead. Interleaved between pp. 84 and 85 of
Mr. Whitehead's annotated copy of _The Early History of Perth Amboy._
Purchased from his granddaughters by the writer and presented to the
Yale University Art Gallery in October of 1942.
REMARKS: A correction noted by Whitehead states that Mrs.
Lyell's name was Catherine and not Sarah.

The gravestones listed below apparently relate to descendants ...

--"Fenwick Lyell, died December 20, 1822, age 55 years."
--"John Lyell, died October 24, 1811, age 42 years."
--"Eleanor, wife of Capt. Fenwick Lyell and daughter of Edward and
Mary Taylor, died December 30, 1794, age 57 years, 4 days."
--"Ellenor Lyell, died July 18, 1818, age 1 year, 2 months, 19 days."
--"Mary, wife of Benjamin Micheau, died May 17, 1822, age 63 years, 11
months, 14 days."
--"West, Mary Lyell Micheau (wife of John West) ~~ Dec. 29, 1839 -
Mar. 15, 1908"
--"West, Mary Lyell ~~ 1881 - 1960"


http://distantcousin.com/cemetery/nj/mo ... /West.html

http://tinyurl.com/5y9gj

John Brandon

Re: David Lyell + Catharine Lorraine of New Jersey

Legg inn av John Brandon » 20 okt 2004 14:55:48

You're welcome!


Svar

Gå tilbake til «soc.genealogy.medieval»