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Francisco Antonio Doria

The Muslim link

Legg inn av Francisco Antonio Doria » 11 okt 2004 16:05:44

What I have is:

- There are several attested members of the Ummayad,
Lakhmid, Qayzi, and even Hasanid families near Coimbra
in the 10th-11th century. They interacted with the
local and regional top-ranking Christian nobility to
the point of having their documents witnessed by them.
They also intermarried with that nobility.

- There are several individuals in that time-frame and
region that can be identified to characters in the
Legend of Maia, about the origin of the Lords of Maia.


- If my conjecture about an Idrissid origin of these
overlords is correct, then the totally unsubstantiated
legend of their origins in Ramiro II is in fact a
Christianization of their origins in the Hasanid royal
house.

The book I wrote is ready. However I'm not sending it
to the publisher because of one of its main tenets
(which btw has been asserted by other researchers) -
demographically, it is possible that almost everybody
in Western Europe is descended from Prophet Muhammad.
At this point such a statement is a highly charged
political statement, and I wouldn't like to confuse my
book with politics.

As I said before, I'm an agnostic.

fa





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Francisco Antonio Doria

Re: The Muslim link

Legg inn av Francisco Antonio Doria » 11 okt 2004 21:50:53

Oh, please, I never refrained from publishing
controversial material - one of my recent math papers
started a fracas - but in this weird world of us where
people equate Muslim with terrorist, I'm threading
with caution. Also, as it is well-known I try to share
everything I know (and never refrain from acknoledging
mistakes, like e.g. the Abdallah link which I no
longer support).

Yes, if I'm invited to do so I will summarize my case
in a paper.

fa

--- Gordon Banks <geb@gordonbanks.com> escreveu:
Would you consider publishing an article outlining
the evidence and the
line in some obscure (I guess they are all obscure)
genealogical
journal? I'm sure that would not excite much
politics, since only
genealogists read them.

It's a shame to deprive the world of knowledge. If
we do that, the
terrorists win. Please don't bury this.

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 05:05, Francisco Antonio Doria
wrote:
What I have is:

- There are several attested members of the
Ummayad,
Lakhmid, Qayzi, and even Hasanid families near
Coimbra
in the 10th-11th century. They interacted with the
local and regional top-ranking Christian nobility
to
the point of having their documents witnessed by
them.
They also intermarried with that nobility.

- There are several individuals in that time-frame
and
region that can be identified to characters in the
Legend of Maia, about the origin of the Lords of
Maia.


- If my conjecture about an Idrissid origin of
these
overlords is correct, then the totally
unsubstantiated
legend of their origins in Ramiro II is in fact a
Christianization of their origins in the Hasanid
royal
house.

The book I wrote is ready. However I'm not sending
it
to the publisher because of one of its main tenets
(which btw has been asserted by other researchers)
-
demographically, it is possible that almost
everybody
in Western Europe is descended from Prophet
Muhammad.
At this point such a statement is a highly charged
political statement, and I wouldn't like to
confuse my
book with politics.

As I said before, I'm an agnostic.

fa







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Francisco Antonio Doria

Re: The Muslim link

Legg inn av Francisco Antonio Doria » 11 okt 2004 22:34:28

Not quite so, at least in my field. In my field - math
logic applied to axiomatics in the sciences - I've
published several invited papers in good journals. For
example, a paper (``Goedel incompleteness in analysis
with an application to the forecasting problem in the
social sciences'') which appeared in _Philosophia
Naturalis_, a German philosophy journal. Or, more
recently, ``Computing the Future,'' to appear in a
special edition of the economics journal,
_Metroeconomica_. Of course genealogy journals may
have different criteria.

Best, chico

--- Gordon Banks <geb@gordonbanks.com> escreveu:
Unfortunately, most journals don't send out
invitations, but I would
love to see it published, if only on this group, and
just the basic
lines and the evidence at key places. There must be
a Portuguese
genealogy journal, isn't there?

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 10:50, Francisco Antonio Doria
wrote:
Oh, please, I never refrained from publishing
controversial material - one of my recent math
papers
started a fracas - but in this weird world of us
where
people equate Muslim with terrorist, I'm threading
with caution. Also, as it is well-known I try to
share
everything I know (and never refrain from
acknoledging
mistakes, like e.g. the Abdallah link which I no
longer support).

Yes, if I'm invited to do so I will summarize my
case
in a paper.

fa

--- Gordon Banks <geb@gordonbanks.com> escreveu:
Would you consider publishing an article
outlining
the evidence and the
line in some obscure (I guess they are all
obscure)
genealogical
journal? I'm sure that would not excite much
politics, since only
genealogists read them.

It's a shame to deprive the world of knowledge.
If
we do that, the
terrorists win. Please don't bury this.

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 05:05, Francisco Antonio
Doria
wrote:
What I have is:

- There are several attested members of the
Ummayad,
Lakhmid, Qayzi, and even Hasanid families near
Coimbra
in the 10th-11th century. They interacted with
the
local and regional top-ranking Christian
nobility
to
the point of having their documents witnessed
by
them.
They also intermarried with that nobility.

- There are several individuals in that
time-frame
and
region that can be identified to characters in
the
Legend of Maia, about the origin of the Lords
of
Maia.


- If my conjecture about an Idrissid origin of
these
overlords is correct, then the totally
unsubstantiated
legend of their origins in Ramiro II is in
fact a
Christianization of their origins in the
Hasanid
royal
house.

The book I wrote is ready. However I'm not
sending
it
to the publisher because of one of its main
tenets
(which btw has been asserted by other
researchers)
-
demographically, it is possible that almost
everybody
in Western Europe is descended from Prophet
Muhammad.
At this point such a statement is a highly
charged
political statement, and I wouldn't like to
confuse my
book with politics.

As I said before, I'm an agnostic.

fa









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grátis.
Instale o discador agora!
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