Thursday, 30 September, 2004
Dear Rosie, David, et al.,
Mirabile dictu, the account in VCH for Leckby provides an interesting
and (I think) accurate, if not extremely detailed account of that holding of
the 'Deyvill' family, which should be read vis-a-vis the account for
Thornton Bridge (Vol. II) which Rosie posted previously.
The Victoria History of the County of York,
North Riding, I:364-5
" LECKBY (Letteby, xiv cent.; Lexby, xvii cent.) was associated
closely with Cundall in the Domesday Survey [V.C.H. Yorks. ii, 230],
and had the same overlords throughout its history. It was also held
by the Deyvills from the 13th century [Feet of F. Yorks. 8 Edw. I,
no. 118; Kirkby's Inq. (Surt. Soc.), 339]. In 1320 John Deyvill
granted to his daughter Margaret the vill of Leckby, with remainder
to Alexander de Leeds, Elizabeth his wife [Yorks. D. (Yorks. Arch.
Soc.), 201] and Alexander's heirs. He granted the park belonging
to the manor to Alexander and Elizabeth, who two years later
refeoffed him of it [Hist. MSS. Com. Rep. v, App. i, 332]. This
park is not mentioned again.
Margaret Deyvill had three daughtes - Edelina, Eleanor and
Agnes. Their respective husbands were Thomas del Schires, Richard
de Exelby and John de Sharow [Yorks. D. (Yorks. Arch. Soc.), 202].
In 1354 Thomas de Schires and Edelina confirmed their lands and
tenements in Leckby to Ralph de Nevill [Ibid.; Feet of F. Yorks.
29 Edw. III, no. 9. He had married Elizabeth daughter and heir
of Alexander de Leeds (Wrottesley, Ped. from the Plea R. 104).
See Thornton Bridge, V.C.H. Yorks. N. R. ii.]. The other
co-heirs disputed the possession of this third part with
Alexander de Nevill son of Ralph in 1392 [Yorks.D. (Yorks. Arch.
Soc., 202], and he was ordered to restore it. The 'vill and
lordship' of Leckby was settled on John Sharow and his heirs
in 1416-17 [Ibid. 203], but issue in this family must
ultimately have failed, for in 1424 Alexander Nevill was in
possession [Ibid.]. "
The foregoing account fits chronologically with the essence of the
information David provided from WYAS Bradford WPB/15/67 [which account by
Dodsworth and Baildon requires some additional editing]. Interestingly,
the pedigree which evolves from merging these two accounts contrasts with
that portrayed in VCH II:101 [Thornton Bridge], in that the number of
generations to Elizabeth de Ledes, wife of Ralph de Neville of Thornton
Bridge is noticeably compressed in comparison.
Robert Deyvill = Denise FitzWilliam
d. aft 1242 I
___________I
I
Sir John Deyvill = 1) Maud [de Mowbray ?] 2) Alice
d. bef 1286 I m. bef 8 May 1275
______________I
I
Sir John Deyvill = 1) Agnes = 2) Margaret (she m. 2nd
b. aft 21 July 1274 I I Adam de Everingham 'Sr')
d. 1325/26 I I had dower in 1334 [1]
I I_______________
_______________________I____________ I
I I I <EGMANTON>
I I I I
Sir Robert Elizabeth Margaret Joan
m. bef May = Alexander = NN de Afford = bef May 1332
1321 to de Ledes (or Rufford ?) Sir Adam de
Margaret (son of Sir [Dodsworth; Everingham 'jr'
Holbeach Alexander) WYAS Bradford] d. 1387/88
[d. bef 28 I I I
Apr 1338] <CUNDALL> I V
<THORNTON BRIDGE> <LECKBY>
________________I _______________I_________________
I I I I
Elizabeth Edelina Eleanor Agnes
= Ralph de = Thomas del = Richard de = John de
Nevill Schires Exelby Sharow
fl. 1354 I
I I
I I
Alexander de Nevill John Sharow
of Thornton Bridge of Leckby, co. Yorks.
* restored Leckby to co-heirs * d. bef 1425
(Schires, Sharow), 1392 (probably dsp)
* acquired Leckby 1424 or before
The acquisition of Leckby by Alexander de Nevill in or before 1424 was
by some device other than legitimate inheritance, as Robert Deiville
(brother of the sisters Margaret and Elizabeth) had extant descendants at
that date (Egmanton of Fockerby, and Kidale of South Ferriby, co. Lincs.).
If it was believed during judgment that the heirs of Robert de Deiville
had died out, it is certainly possibly that Leckby was awarded to
Alexander Nevill of Thornton Bridge ca. 1424 in error.
I show herein that Alexander de Ledes, husband of Elizabeth Deiville,
is the son of Sir Alexander de Ledes (presumably by his wife ' Margaret
– a niece to Thomas fil. Reginald de Doncaster or Malet ', as per Baildon,
WYAS Bradford WPB/10/37). The foregoing does not address the placement of
Alexander de Ledes and his wife Margaret, parties to the fines of 1330 and
1334 concerning Cundall, Thornton Bridge & c. [Westminster. Quindene of
Easter, 4 Edw III, 1330; and Octave of the Purification, 8 Edw III, 1334].
I suggest one of the following two probabilities:
1. Margaret (fl. 1330/1334) was a 2nd wife of Alexander de Ledes,
after the death of Elizabeth Deiville; or
2. Alexander de Ledes (husband of Margaret) was a son of Alexander
and Elizabeth (Deiville) de Ledes, who fl. 1330-1334, but d.s.p.,
leaving his sister Elizabeth (de Ledes) de Nevill as the heiress
of Thornton Bridge.
Cheers,
John
CP Addition: Margaret, wife of (1) Sir John Deiville and (2)
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John Ravilious
Re: CP Addition: Margaret, wife of (1) Sir John Deiville and
Thursday, 30 September, 2004
Hello All,
In writing in the previous post concerning the inheritance of
Leckby by Alexander Neville of Thornton Bridge (1424 or before), I
intimated that there may have been some irregularity in the process.
The text from VCH I cited before actually provides the answer:
" In 1320 John Deyvill granted to his daughter Margaret the vill
of Leckby, with remainder to Alexander de Leeds, Elizabeth his
wife [Yorks. D. (Yorks. Arch. Soc.), 201] and Alexander's heirs. "
The heir of Alexander de Ledes and Margaret Deiville (i.e.,
Alexander Neville) acquired Leckby properly, based on the provision
cited in the VCH account.
Cheers,
John
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Hello All,
In writing in the previous post concerning the inheritance of
Leckby by Alexander Neville of Thornton Bridge (1424 or before), I
intimated that there may have been some irregularity in the process.
The text from VCH I cited before actually provides the answer:
" In 1320 John Deyvill granted to his daughter Margaret the vill
of Leckby, with remainder to Alexander de Leeds, Elizabeth his
wife [Yorks. D. (Yorks. Arch. Soc.), 201] and Alexander's heirs. "
The heir of Alexander de Ledes and Margaret Deiville (i.e.,
Alexander Neville) acquired Leckby properly, based on the provision
cited in the VCH account.
Cheers,
John
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Thursday, 30 September, 2004
Dear Rosie, David, et al.,
Mirabile dictu, the account in VCH for Leckby provides an interesting
and (I think) accurate, if not extremely detailed account of that holding of
the 'Deyvill' family, which should be read vis-a-vis the account for
Thornton Bridge (Vol. II) which Rosie posted previously.
The Victoria History of the County of York,
North Riding, I:364-5
" LECKBY (Letteby, xiv cent.; Lexby, xvii cent.) was associated
closely with Cundall in the Domesday Survey [V.C.H. Yorks. ii, 230],
and had the same overlords throughout its history. It was also held
by the Deyvills from the 13th century [Feet of F. Yorks. 8 Edw. I,
no. 118; Kirkby's Inq. (Surt. Soc.), 339]. In 1320 John Deyvill
granted to his daughter Margaret the vill of Leckby, with remainder
to Alexander de Leeds, Elizabeth his wife [Yorks. D. (Yorks. Arch.
Soc.), 201] and Alexander's heirs. He granted the park belonging
to the manor to Alexander and Elizabeth, who two years later
refeoffed him of it [Hist. MSS. Com. Rep. v, App. i, 332]. This
park is not mentioned again.
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John Ravilious
Re: CP Addition: Margaret, wife of (1) Sir John Deiville and
Friday, 8 October, 2004
Dear Rosie, David, et al.,
I obtained temporary custody of William Brown's work (YAS) on Yorkshire
Deeds, one of the sources for the VCH articles on Leckby and Cundall. The
text on pp. 201-202 cited by VCH is more or less as given there, and while
specifying that Margaret was a daughter of John de Deiville, the same was
not spelled out re: Elizabeth, wife of Alexander de Ledes.
That information was provided in the same volume on p. 213, under
"Thornton Bridge", in the following two documents:
' 585. Octave of the Purification, 14 Edward II. (Feb. 9, 1320-1).
Deed of gift from John, son of Sir John de Eyvill of Egmanton,
to Alexander de Ledes and Elizabeth, daughter of the said
John, of all his goods and chattels in his manor and vill of
Thornton on Swale. (Sizergh Castle.) '
' 586. Monday after the Purification, 14 Edward II. (Feb. 9, 1320-1).
Letter of attorney from John de Eyvill, lord of Egmanton, to
Thomas le Vendour and William le Parker, to deliver seisin to
Alexander de Ledes and Elizabeth, John's daughter, of his
manor and vill of Thornton on Swale. Thornton on Swale.
(Sizergh Castle). ' [1]
This validates the identification given in the prior post as to both
Margaret (de Daiville) _____ and Elizabeth (de Daiville) de Ledes being
daughter of Sir John de Daiville, or Deiville (d. 1325/6). This does not
resolve whether or not there was another Alexander de Ledes (husband of
Margaret) who was a son Elizabeth, or if her husband Alexander had a
2nd wife Margaret (see below).
Other helpful material is to be found in the same section, including
the following grant:
' 584. Monday before St. Nicholas the bishop, 12 Edward II., (Dec. 4,
1318). Grant for life by John de Eyvill, lord of Thornton on
Swale, to Edelina de Ufford, of six acres of meadow in his
meadows of Thornton on Swale, to be taken in the better part,
paying yearly a root of ginger (una racina gingiber') on
Christmas day.
Witnesses, John Winmer, William the Forester, John Magnby,
Thomas son of Giles, Robert the Fisherman. Thornton.
(Sizergh Castle). ' [2]
David Hepworth had posted information previously from WYAS Bradford,
giving the husband of Margaret de Daiville as "NN de Afford (or Rufford?)"
as shown in my chart previously. Margaret had a daughter Edelina, a rather
uncommon name/spelling, the wife of Thomas del Schirres, who would have
been incorrectly shown in my chart originally as either "Edelina de
Afford" or "Edelina de Rufford". It is evident her name was actually
Edelina de Ufford: either she was a very young beneficiary of the 1318
grant cited above, or the Edelina de Ufford of that grant may have been
the mother of Margaret de Daiville's husband, and future grandmother of
the Edelina de Ufford (also granddaughter of John de Daiville). The
possibility of a de Ufford or d'Ufford link here is intriguing (whether
of the Suffolk family of note, or otherwise).
As to the identification of Margaret, the wife of Sir Alexander de Ledes
(2nd wife), the following is given by Brown under "Bolton-on-Dearne":
' 524. Grant by Thomas de Donecastre to Sir Alexander de Ledes
and lady Margaret his wife, the grantor's niece (nepti),
and their heirs, of the homage of John, son of William de
Doncastre, the grantor's brother, for a tenement in the town
of Bolthone with a mediety of the church of the same vill,
as was testified by Thomas's charter to William.
Witnesses, Master William Bellew (de Bella aqua), Thomas
de Scaucebi, Robert de Lumbi, William Malet, Hugh Bayard
of Billingle, Robert Tuye. (Sizergh Castle.) ' [3]
The exact relationship is not spelled out, although it does not sound as
if Margaret was a daughter of William, the brother of Thomas de Doncaster.
This may however assist in identifying her parentage, and whether or not
she had descendants of her own.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] William Brown, F.S.A., ed., Yorkshire Deeds (The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Record Series, Vol. XXXIX, 1900), p. 213.
[2] Ibid.
[3] Ibid., p. 194.
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Dear Rosie, David, et al.,
I obtained temporary custody of William Brown's work (YAS) on Yorkshire
Deeds, one of the sources for the VCH articles on Leckby and Cundall. The
text on pp. 201-202 cited by VCH is more or less as given there, and while
specifying that Margaret was a daughter of John de Deiville, the same was
not spelled out re: Elizabeth, wife of Alexander de Ledes.
That information was provided in the same volume on p. 213, under
"Thornton Bridge", in the following two documents:
' 585. Octave of the Purification, 14 Edward II. (Feb. 9, 1320-1).
Deed of gift from John, son of Sir John de Eyvill of Egmanton,
to Alexander de Ledes and Elizabeth, daughter of the said
John, of all his goods and chattels in his manor and vill of
Thornton on Swale. (Sizergh Castle.) '
' 586. Monday after the Purification, 14 Edward II. (Feb. 9, 1320-1).
Letter of attorney from John de Eyvill, lord of Egmanton, to
Thomas le Vendour and William le Parker, to deliver seisin to
Alexander de Ledes and Elizabeth, John's daughter, of his
manor and vill of Thornton on Swale. Thornton on Swale.
(Sizergh Castle). ' [1]
This validates the identification given in the prior post as to both
Margaret (de Daiville) _____ and Elizabeth (de Daiville) de Ledes being
daughter of Sir John de Daiville, or Deiville (d. 1325/6). This does not
resolve whether or not there was another Alexander de Ledes (husband of
Margaret) who was a son Elizabeth, or if her husband Alexander had a
2nd wife Margaret (see below).
Other helpful material is to be found in the same section, including
the following grant:
' 584. Monday before St. Nicholas the bishop, 12 Edward II., (Dec. 4,
1318). Grant for life by John de Eyvill, lord of Thornton on
Swale, to Edelina de Ufford, of six acres of meadow in his
meadows of Thornton on Swale, to be taken in the better part,
paying yearly a root of ginger (una racina gingiber') on
Christmas day.
Witnesses, John Winmer, William the Forester, John Magnby,
Thomas son of Giles, Robert the Fisherman. Thornton.
(Sizergh Castle). ' [2]
David Hepworth had posted information previously from WYAS Bradford,
giving the husband of Margaret de Daiville as "NN de Afford (or Rufford?)"
as shown in my chart previously. Margaret had a daughter Edelina, a rather
uncommon name/spelling, the wife of Thomas del Schirres, who would have
been incorrectly shown in my chart originally as either "Edelina de
Afford" or "Edelina de Rufford". It is evident her name was actually
Edelina de Ufford: either she was a very young beneficiary of the 1318
grant cited above, or the Edelina de Ufford of that grant may have been
the mother of Margaret de Daiville's husband, and future grandmother of
the Edelina de Ufford (also granddaughter of John de Daiville). The
possibility of a de Ufford or d'Ufford link here is intriguing (whether
of the Suffolk family of note, or otherwise).
As to the identification of Margaret, the wife of Sir Alexander de Ledes
(2nd wife), the following is given by Brown under "Bolton-on-Dearne":
' 524. Grant by Thomas de Donecastre to Sir Alexander de Ledes
and lady Margaret his wife, the grantor's niece (nepti),
and their heirs, of the homage of John, son of William de
Doncastre, the grantor's brother, for a tenement in the town
of Bolthone with a mediety of the church of the same vill,
as was testified by Thomas's charter to William.
Witnesses, Master William Bellew (de Bella aqua), Thomas
de Scaucebi, Robert de Lumbi, William Malet, Hugh Bayard
of Billingle, Robert Tuye. (Sizergh Castle.) ' [3]
The exact relationship is not spelled out, although it does not sound as
if Margaret was a daughter of William, the brother of Thomas de Doncaster.
This may however assist in identifying her parentage, and whether or not
she had descendants of her own.
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] William Brown, F.S.A., ed., Yorkshire Deeds (The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Record Series, Vol. XXXIX, 1900), p. 213.
[2] Ibid.
[3] Ibid., p. 194.
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Thursday, 30 September, 2004
Dear Rosie, David, et al.,
Mirabile dictu, the account in VCH for Leckby provides an interesting
and (I think) accurate, if not extremely detailed account of that holding of
the 'Deyvill' family, which should be read vis-a-vis the account for
Thornton Bridge (Vol. II) which Rosie posted previously.
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Robert Deyvill = Denise FitzWilliam
d. aft 1242 I
___________I
I
Sir John Deyvill = 1) Maud [de Mowbray ?] 2) Alice
d. bef 1286 I m. bef 8 May 1275
______________I
I
Sir John Deyvill = 1) Agnes = 2) Margaret (she m. 2nd
b. aft 21 July 1274 I I Adam de Everingham 'Sr')
d. 1325/26 I I had dower in 1334 [1]
I I_______________
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I I I <EGMANTON
I I I I
Sir Robert Elizabeth Margaret Joan
m. bef May = Alexander = NN de Afford = bef May 1332
1321 to de Ledes (or Rufford ?) Sir Adam de
Margaret (son of Sir [Dodsworth; Everingham 'jr'
Holbeach Alexander) WYAS Bradford] d. 1387/88
[d. bef 28 I I I
Apr 1338] <CUNDALL> I V
THORNTON BRIDGE> <LECKBY
________________I _______________I_________________
I I I I
Elizabeth Edelina Eleanor Agnes
= Ralph de = Thomas del = Richard de = John de
Nevill Schires Exelby Sharow
fl. 1354 I
I I
I I
Alexander de Nevill John Sharow
of Thornton Bridge of Leckby, co. Yorks.
* restored Leckby to co-heirs * d. bef 1425
(Schires, Sharow), 1392 (probably dsp)
* acquired Leckby 1424 or before
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